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I ordered some along with the HALT holder. How in the heck does this clip on your handlbar? The larger side clips and holds the can. The smaller side is really too small to clip on the handlebar. What am I missing?
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...All%20Products
Do you have standard drop bars? If so, it will fit, I promise (I have one). You do have to push kinda hard to get it on there, but once on, it stays. You wouldn't want it too loose!
Good luck -- and here's hoping you never have to use it. It makes me feel better just having it there, within easy reach.
Emily
I have a little vial of pepper spray without a holder. I use one of those short 3" loop bungy cords with a ball on one end. I loop it around my stem and tuck the spray in one strand of the elastic, holding the spray vertically snug against my stem. Very handy to grab and it stays out of the way.
Don't forget to bring the spray in with you if you go into a store, bathroom, etc. You do NOT want some kid fooling with it on your bike, spraying themselves, getting hurt, and possibly suing you as well. :cool: Do not leave it unattended on your bike in public places.
You are right. It did. Carry on. :pQuote:
You do have to push kinda hard to get it on there, but once on, it stays.
BE SURE THE SPRAY CAN REALLY WORKS! I bought some from Nashbar too, and recently my husband tried to use it and nothing came out! A new nasty dog moved into our neighborhood, and managed to get our heels in his mouth yesterday, kind of scary. So, today DH went out with a water bottle full of vinegar and cayenne to teach him to avoid chewing on cyclists feet while they are riding!
Oh yes!- be sure to TEST your spray in a safe place before you depend on it. Test it once a year at least. And I think it actually expires after a couple of years, so replace it once in a while.
ew! I sorta hate to test it.
Maybe if these two start getting out of hand and dangerous. :D
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Sandra, by the looks of the pampered ones in the pic, you don't have to worry about them getting out of control. I do see the tv remote there though...they might squabble over who gets the remote for the westminster dog show :D
The only pepper spray those two are going to taste is the Tabasco in the Bloody Marys the butler brings them at cocktail hour along with their caviar and water crackers...
Where's your chair?
We have to sit on the floor. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TsPoet
yeah, those two are bad ones, that's for sure.
Be careful with your Halt. Some highly adrenalized dogs will only become more aggressive when sprayed.
Remember the two "S's"
1. Spray
2. Sprint
:D
Actually, it's Triple SSS, at least for me:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogmama
1. Swear
2. Spray
3. Sprint
:D
I've used Fox Labs OC before. It's about the hottest pepper spray you can buy. I used it once on a well known problem dog and the dog now runs AWAY from cyclists, lol.. I carry a can in my jersey pocket.
...And please don't overuse it. :( I realize that there are *some* truly mean dogs, but most nasty-looking, loud-barking, bike-chasing dogs can be charmed into submission. :D I've been chased down by lots dogs who seem aggressive but turn out to be playful. Lots of times they just run next to me until they get tired, or if I slow down they might lick my leg (I think they like the salty flavor of sweat -- yuck! :p) or sniff my tires. And if it's a dog you come across regularly while biking, it might be worth the time and effort to try and make friends.
Also be careful that the stuff doesn't get on your skin, because those cans ted to leak and if the stuff gets on you it will burn your skin. Just imagine what it would do to a dog's eyes, mouth and nose.
Be safe,
C
Very well said Cari! I was trying to figure out how to say something like that, but you did it eloquently.
Sandra, your dogs are adorable! They definitely seem to rule the house. Not to hijack, but here's mine:
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Yours is pretty relaxed too! Cute! :)
I doubt I'll ever use the spray on dogs. We don't really have a problem with dogs. We ride the rails to trails and over the years we have had several incidents of reported attacks by people, not dogs. I hope I never use it at all, BUT, if I'm every by myself, I'll feel better being prepared whether I ever use it or not. There is a tunnel area that is particularly scary.
What kinda dogs do you have that are out and out to chase you all???
Most of the roads and lanes i cycle have dogs but they are usually in gardens and if on the public places have to be on a lead.
occaisonally i have cycled thru a farm and had a dog chase me but i think i would not spray them its a bit harsh.... serious do the dogs bite you???:confused:
I have read stories of being being nipped out while riding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlet
Although, that's not what is scary. What is scary is the horrible WRECK that a dog under a wheel can cause.
Yes, the might be playful and nice... and just having fun... but they could cause you to have a very serious accident. Just think, there you are with a demolished bike and broken bones on the side of the road. The dog isn't so cute anymore.
I personally just get water in my mouth or my water bottle ready when I see a loose dog. A little water sends them off on their way.
My Uncle did have an aggressive one on his country roads though... and he did the cayane (? spelling) pepper in the water bottle trick. It only took once.
No measley Triple S for me! Oh no, it's always the Quadruple S:Quote:
Originally Posted by emily_in_nc
1. Scream
2. Swear
3. Spray
4. Sprint
Many times I add in extra screams for dramatic effect.
My scariest dog encounter was with a Rottweiler because I really think there was the potential for death (mine!). Second scariest was an Australian Shepherd because he was trying to bite my legs and back tire. Third scariest was a terrier because of the potential for a nasty crash. All three of these were within two days and I didn't hit any of them with my pepper spray (I was too terrified to think of grabbing it!). I'm hoping my quota is up for a while. It doesn't help that I'm scared of dogs in general.
Thanks for the support, rij.
Sandra, I'm glad to hear you were using it for personal safety -- sounds like you have the right idea.
Scarlet: Several times it's *looked* like the dog would try to bite me, but like I said, they just licked my leg. :rolleyes: I've come across dogs along farms and narrow, winding mountain roads which are steep enough so that a quick getaway would be unlikely. Which is probably while I had to learn to deal with them. Fortunately, people who have truly dangerous dogs *usually* keep them confined.
I did encounter an aggressive-looking chow chow once while mountain biking. It was sort of scary because I was alone, and the trail winds around a lot, so if I'd kept going, he could have easily cut through the brush and reached me. So I calmly got off my bike while I was still at a safe distance, grabbed a water bottle, stood facing the dog, and put the bike between him and me. I kept track of Mr. Chow but pretended ignore him while I sipped some water. This went on for 5 or 10 seconds until he lost interest, turned around and walked away.
KSH: You're right, there's definite potential there for a wreck. That's partly why (unless the dog is very, very far away) I usually slow down instead of speeding up. Once I let them catch up, dogs will usually run alongside me at a safe distance, not toward me.
I actually had a close call once with a *cat* who seemed to think that he could outrun me. When I slowed down, he jumped right across my path and gave me a nice scare. What a nut. :o
I was nipped in June, so yes they will get you. Sometimes they do just want to run with you. I have an ankle-biter sized dog that regularly likes to chase me on one route. I miss him when he's not there.
As to chows, there was one that would come charging down from his home up on a hill, sounding like he was going to eat me up. I shout out, "Hello Puppy!" He sits down. Too funny.
Sometimes dogs are just jazzed by our feet turning on the pedals. It's hard to know, unless you are experienced in reading dogs. I even get surprised sometimes at the dog parks.
I have a funny cat story (thread hijack warning). Post surgery, I had to walk. I would walk up my street and the neighborhood cat would join me. He had a self-proscribed boundary. If I ventured beyond his boundary, he would grab my leg with his teeth & claws until I turned around. He is also the kind of cat that doesn't move for cars. He lays there & looks up like "So go around me!" Thankfully, this is a very quiet cul-de-sac and everybody knows about "Grey Cat."
Consider yourself very lucky to live in such a civilized place! I live in the rural southeastern US, where it's quite common for folks to let their dogs run wild, even where leash laws exist. One dog is usually not a problem. You can usually either outrun them or stop and walk your bike slowly past. It's more often the groups of two or more dogs that egg each other on and can "double team" you, one running on each side of you. Or they get smart and figure out how to cut you off from the side. They are sometimes barking and growling, sometimes just running like wild. Some are simply frisky and playful, but there are definitely those that are very territorial and would love to bite at your ankles if given a chance. It's not always possible to tell which is which as they approach you very quickly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlet
After having two large dogs run out at me in the road and cause me to fall, breaking my pelvis in three places two years ago, I take precautions. I go for my air horn first, as that is usually enough to dissuade them, but I wouldn't hesitate to spray a dog with Halt pepper spray if s/he were harrassing me and were close enough to get good aim. It causes no permanent injury to the dog, but might save my skin (or bones!)
I love dogs, have had two in my adult life, but dogs that chase bikes are no friends of mine.
Emily
I find this thread very interesting. I too, carry pepper spray and wouldn't hesitate to use it, if need be.
The main reason that I find this thread interesting is because of and incident that happened at my house the other day. Pardon the hijack...
I was out watering my flowers enjoying the nice summer morning.... la la la, flowers, bees, sunshine, etc. I had just returned from a lovely morning ride...
My weim, the one in my avatar, is extremely well trained. We've had her in 3 obedience classes plus agility. She is two years old and the nicest dog I have ever had. She is fantastic with the kids. I would call her skiddish, nowhere near agressive.
Anyhow, she was in the front yard with me and a jogger went by the front and she took off running and barking. No concern for me, as this is normal for a dog to do. I figured she'd come back as soon as she got the barking out of her system. I said good morning to the jogger and said "don't worry, she's a big chicken, all bark and no bite"................ my dog proceeded to nip her on the rump.
Profuse apologies. The jogger was fine. I was disappointed in my dog and really confused. What the $#@1**&&$% just happened??
Anyhow, I feel like
#1 - I would be HAPPY if someone would spray my dog with some cayenne, etc, so that she wouldn't feel the need to chase the next jogger down. Part of training.
By the way, we almost always have her in the backyard, but with kids, etc. she does get out. I am not so relaxed after this incident with letting her out front.
#2 - I think that if the jogger would have STOPPED and let my dog sniff her for a second, the nip would not have happened.
This was one of those AAHHHHHAA moments for me as a cyclist/pet owner. Dogs still have that prey instinct in them, even if they are domesticated and WELL TRAINED. It runs, they chase. I now stop when I see a dog out of the yard, let it approach me, and move on my merry way. I have the pepper spray handy in case the dog isn't friendly. I feel like I have more of a chance against a dog with pepper spray if I am standing than cycling anyhow. I don't think I could successfully spray a dog in motion, let alone manage to spray downwind. Ouch!
This has worked so well for me, I thought I would pass it on. I also love the idea of water in the mouth from the water bottle. I hadn't even thought of that one :rolleyes: :o
Does this look like a beast to you??
The amount of coordination needed to get the spray out and aim it at the dog would result in me crashing more than it would spraying the dog.
I read somewhere to carry dog biscuits and throw them at the dog :D
Flybye,
I know your dog is well loved and very well trained....but....
Yes we never know when our dog will do something unexpected. They are animals after all. Now your dog has bitten someone and may likely do so again even though he is a generally well behaved dog.
I knew a man who had two "very friendly" lab-type dogs who had the habit of leaping up at people who were merely walking away slowly and nipping them on the butt. My girlfriend had a huge purple bruise from this right through her jeans, and found out that his dogs did this to other people as well. Yet he kept saying they were "real friendly dogs". This happened at HER house, by the way- I can't believe he was taking his dogs visiting after this having happened before!
As pet owners we have to take responsibility for our pets whether on or off our property. No matter how well trained a dog is, it should never be allowed to chase people down public roads barking at them. Joggers and bicyclists, joggers with baby strollers, rollerbladers, etc, should be able to travel on public roads without being chased by loose barking dogs. People on the road have no way of knowing whether a dog coming at them will bite- they must assume it will. It's a scary feeling when a big dog is running towards you barking. We all need to be responsible keeping our dogs on our property and prevent them from chasing people down the road.
I don't mean to pick on you in particular, or accuse you since this was a first occurence. I am just giving my opinion in general about dogs on the road.
LisaSH,
I totally agree with the responsibility issue. I generally (read 99.9%) of the time have a shock collar on her when she is out front with us b/c the neighbors have chickens and she is, after all, just a dog. There is no way I could call the best trained dog off of a chicken chase. I would say that in a given month, she is out with us once and sneaks out with the kids about 3 times. We have 23 :eek: kids on our block and my house is the hang out central. It is quite a blessing, however, I don't know how many times I have had to remind them "shut the door" "shut the door" "shut the door" :) . We live at the end of a dead end street and so joggers are a rarety (read one jogger or walker every other month or so).
Anywhooo, she had never done anything like this before, hence my surprise and my vigilance about keeping her in the back yard. I totally agree with you about dogs being a responsibility. It angers me to see them running at large, not being cared for.
I just want to make the point that just because a dog runs at you and barks doesn't mean that it is vicious. It is just doing what dogs do - being a dog. I have found it WAY more beneficial to stop and say hi to the dog than keep going. I have, I am sure, avoided dog nips on the heels by doing just that - stopping.
I don't feel picked on by you Lisa, because I already know that I am a responsible dog owner. No worries!!
We share the same opinion about dogs on the road. Keep them inside or fenced.
I'm glad you are not offended. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flybye
I agree with you about stopping your bike when a dog comes running. There is really no way I can out pedal a running dog unless I'm flying downhill. I stop my bike when I see one coming, get off and swing the bike between us, grab my pepper spray off my handlebars just in case, and then when the dog is about 12 feet from me I use my most commanding deep loud voice and say NO!-GO HOME!! GO HOME!! and point back to where they are coming from. I try to look big and authoritative. Might need to throw in a BAD DOG if they hesitate. This routine stops the dog in its tracks every time I have used it (about 6 times now, maybe just lucky so far?) and usually the dog seems ashamed, confused, and embarrassed and slinks off back home. It's the best thing to do I can think of, and it seems to work well for me so far.
If I threw dog biscuits I'd be training every dog for miles around to chase bikes- :eek:
Instead of the ice cream man you'd be the Dog Biscuit Woman. I can hear the familiar music now as dogs dash out their front doors with quarters in their teeth and notes tucked into their collars....:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.
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Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.
I read somewhere, might even have been here, that a rider did exactly that to ward off a BEAR :eek:
An owner who sits by letting a dog chase after runners or cyclists is irresponsible IMO. That is in effect letting the dog know it's ok to do this. I have witnessed first-hand dogs being called off mid-chase so know that dogs can be trained to respond to their owners commands.
Just two weeks ago my husband and I were out running and a dog started coming straight at us, full speed, barking aggressively (meaning not just bark bark woof woof, but teeth showing snarl bark). Suddenly we hear "NO! Come here!" The dog stopped dead in its tracks, almost fell over itself it stopped so fast, and immediately turned its complete attention to getting over to its owner pronto. I was in awe of this owner and very thankful! Owners like this are few and far between where we live. We yelled out "thank you!!" and waved and went on our way.
I think that one of the problems is that many owners don't see things from the runner/cyclists perspective. It's always "oh, don't worry about Fluffy, he won't hurt you" said with a smile. Well I don't think it's fair to the dog or fair to those of us out there trying to enjoy the outdoors to let a dog chase, no matter how nice the dog usually is because you never know what could happen. The person being chased could get aggressive and hurt the dog, or visa-versa.
<rant on>
Some people are terrified of dogs. They have a right to use the streets without harrassment. It isn't up to the populace to train other people's dogs with pepper spray.
Dogs should be confined or leashed, period. I don't care how good the recall is, they're still DOGS. A speeding motorist could take out the family pet in an instant.
I've trained dogs to advanced obedience degrees. Not only do they come immediately when called, but I can have them drop (lay down) in the middle of a recall. I would still never allow them to roam freely, much less chase anybody. It isn't fair to the dog or the citizen.
<rant off>
The other thing I think about when I see a dog off leash is what about a stray dog that comes to attack your dog?
I saw a couple jogging today with two identical dogs (labs), one younger, one older. The younger dog was on leash, but the older one was not. She was leading, and even worse, she had no COLLAR on. No tags. Very busy street. They really trust their dog, I can tell, but what if their dog gets attacked by another dog and she runs off in fear or in chase? There's not even a way to identify her with no tags!
I had two stray dogs (they escaped their yards, I knew where they lived) meet in my yard and tear each other to pieces one time. They both ran off before AC could get there. That's just to say that there are aggressive dogs who get out and have no compunction about attacking another dog.
Karen
You are spot on, Tuckerville.
Dogs that are leashed who encounter unleashed dogs are often threatened. This can culminate into a big dog fight, whereas two leashed (or two unleashed dogs, as in a dog park) would be fine. They instinctively know that one dog has a handicap.
Sorry for the thread hijack, everybody. I am pretty adament about this.
Thank you, Dogmama, for saying exactly what I feel! I am one of those terrified people!!! If I dog chases me on my bike, I cannot tell if it's trying to be friendly and run with me, or if it wants to eat me up. My brain automatically assumes the latter. But this fear is not going to keep me off the road. I carry my pepper spray just in case, but I don't know if I'd ever have the presence of mind to actually use it. Terror kind of messes with your thought processes. This loose dog thing just gives me something else to complain about, and anyone who knows me can attest to the fact that I'm a very skilled complainer :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogmama
By the way, my two cats bite. They stay inside so they've never chased anyone down on the street, but they've been known to bite guests. So why am I not scared to death of cats?