Me too. Now can we go on to chocolate and blue cheese? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by salsabike
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Me too. Now can we go on to chocolate and blue cheese? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by salsabike
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Originally Posted by Trek420
No - not together. :rolleyes:
Check out Brandy's Blog. She has a good chocolate supplier.
V.
Why not? Cheese and chocolate go together :D ever had mascarpone dipped in chocolate? Yum :D Blue cheese goes with port, pears, candied walnuts .... blue cheese goes with sweet things. Why not chocolate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veronica
I think I've been without a kitchen too long and it's effecting my brains. ;)
I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my title, that was NOT my intent. I was using the name of a very well known TV show with a twist to fit the situation. I had had a wonderful shopping experience with a really awesome salesperson that was hilarious to boot and thought it would be fun to share.
I have had many gay friends and even was practically raised by a gay man when my father decided he didn't want the job. My mom's business partner and close friend stepped in and was a wonderful father figure for me as I grew up.
Guess I'll just go back to lurking..........
Lori-don't lurk :( I understand what you were trying to say.
YOu're stil part of the wacky women TE crowd..:) Keep posting!
:)
LoriO - it's ok, you didn't offend anyone! A discussion started on a tangent to your great story about shopping, your story was fun and I liked it. Don't lurk!
Nothing offensive about your title at all Lori - please continue to contribute to the TE group.
Come back, please don't lurk! Not offended in the least and besides, we'd all miss your little green hat. :D
Oh, wait, that's not you. ;) :rolleyes:
in my imagination it's a helmet for some type of cat sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trek420
Or possibly space exploration.
I applaud you for having the nerve to post that Snap. I have watched so many TE members get 'run off' by self rightous TE regulars. I will continue to lurk occassionally, but this will be my one and only post. I prefer to post of other forums where the welcome is much warmer no matter who you are.
I work at Wal-Mart, love George Bush and am proud to be a Republican, have a husband who is fighting a worthwhile war in Iraq. I am not ashamed to eat beef, to believe in God and America, and am going to spend my refund check at Wal-Mart on stuff made in China. AND I ride a bicycle.
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Originally Posted by snapdragen
howdy,
I stand by my post earlier (I really do feel that everyone here should be accorded a right to express when they've been offended), but I just wanted to make sure, LoriO, that you realize that I did not mean to compare **your post** to someone making offensive racial jokes at a dinner party. I was trying to illustrate what happens when people are not permitted to say when something offends them, in response to Snap's post; I was not trying to imply that your post somehow comparable to that situation, and for the record I don't think it was in any way.
I'm sorry that some people seem to be feeling that this is not a welcoming community. I have on occasion been irritated by what I perceived as judgmental or self-righteous posts, but overall I think the level of maturity, wisdom and respect on these boards far exceed what I have seen elsewhere, and I even apply that to the people who have offended me in the past. I will try to be more sensitive in my posts in the future, and I'm sure others will too.
But maybe I'm a weirdo because I didn't find the "controversial" post that was removed to be horribly inappropriate; perhaps it could have been worded a bit more gently, but it belongs to the category of speech that I believe we should protect here.
The only thing that matters to me is your last sentence. Isn't that what this forum is supposed to be about? Why choose this as your only post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savannahgurl
Go ride your bike, and tell us about that, why don'tcha :cool:
Well, the thread was winding down to apologies and apololgy-accepteds and general mature good-feelings all around again, so he had to do something to try to make it vicariously thrilling and watch the women flip out again.
My teenaged son reads me some of the forum-baiting he finds on the internet. It happens everywhere. Don't let it get to you.
Ha!
Nobody can get "run off" unless they are willing to be "run off."Quote:
Originally Posted by Savannahgurl
I don't agree with an awful lot of what I read in this forum, and I have read some downright offensive language about things I believe in deeply, characterizations I don't think would be tolerated here for one minute if they were aimed at a lot of other belief systems.
But, it is always my choice to decide where to pick my battles, and to weigh what I get from this community, compared to what troubles me about it. No different than any other group of frail and faulty human beings (including me) I might belong to.
I have sometimes needed to take a break from TE because of these issues, but that is my choice. No one is going to "run me off." I happen to care a lot more about the big choices people make in life when it comes to what they believe, than I care about what kind of bike they ride.
But, this is a cycling forum...it is what it is. For me, there is more benefit in staying than letting a few intolerant people ruin my association with the huge numbers of wonderful women on this forum who have been incredibly kind and helpful to me.
Frankly, I'm kind of wondering who has been "run off"? Sure there have been people who have come and posted a bit and then moved on. But were they "run off" or did they just choose to move on? How do you know when someone has been run off? I guess when they post that they're leaving. But I've always viewed those posts as a plea for attention. But hey I'm just an insensitive clod who eats meat, but only humanely raised and only cage free eggs, believes in God, but not in heaven (don't ask!), refuses to shop at Wal Mart, tries desperately to not buy goods made in China and speaks her mind. What do I know? :rolleyes:
Oh and I spent the first 18 years of my life on welfare, so I do understand why some people cannot make the choices I have made. I am extremely thankful that I have been fortunate in my life and can now choose to follow my conscience without worrying about where my next meal is coming from. Don't hate me because I've been lucky.
I think movement is typical of a lot of forums. There's a watch forum I drop in on once or twice a year now that I was formerly very active in.
I think not taking things so personally would help. It's not always about "you."
V.
I think KnottedYet was pointing out that we are being baited to keep this thread alive by someone who actually may not be who she claims to be.:cool:
No ones ever been banished from the kingdom as it were, but I do know of two people who chose to leave.
Sometimes people take things too personally or don't have the wherewithal to simply brush it off.
I beg to differ. TE does have a history prior to April 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by zencentury
I know of at least one poster who was banned. The poster persisted in disobeying forum rules.
Hey Zen I really like your end quote. I'm going to turn that into a poster for my classroom. And it's given me an idea for Read Across America Day which is celebrated on Dr. Seuss's birthday or close to it, if it's a weekend day.
V.
PS Yes, I do remember someone being asked to leave, but that's different from being "run off." Running off makes me picture pitch forks and brooms in hand...
LoriO, I appreciated your story and I think it's great that you had such a fun time.
It's pretty difficult to offend me and I have noticed that there are times when someone innocently says something and people take it for more than what it is. I realize that in this forum, we have a lot of diversity and there are some people who are more sensitive than others. I know that there can be word ownership (ie one group can say it but it's bad if someone outside says it) too. I also know I accidently offended someone once because of poor sentence structure.
I think people can be "run out". The written word can be harsh and we can't tell inflection or feeling, especially in criticism.
So, LoriO, please stay :D
Being asked to leave implies a choice. Said poster had their ability to post blocked. Matter of fact, there are three.
"Being run-off" - periodically I do feel that this forum has a supply of stones at hand. :rolleyes: But that doesn't mean that there aren't remedies.
I found a list once that showed 2 or 3 "banned" former posters from a long while back on TE. It happens, and probably was totally justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veronica
As to being "run off"....well I can only recall a couple of people who would get angry and indignant when anyone disagreed with their statements. They would dramatically announce their departure, sometimes more than once, (Oh! the terrible loss!) and then lurk to see the reaction of course. They loved it when folks pleaded with them to stay. Total drama queens. If someone wants to leave a forum, just leave, without making Grande Announcements with a trumpet fanfare. I do not consider such drama antics to be true examples of being "run off". :rolleyes:
TE really is friendlier and more accepting and diverse than any other forum I have ever come across on the internet. :)
The only one of those I recognize was a 'bot, not a real poster at all. The other two UIDs sure sound like spammers, though I don't know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SadieKate
Trolls are another thing, Knotted is right that they're better ignored than banned (especially since they'll only come back with a new UID).
Lori, yours wasn't the post that most of us found offensive. Also, conflict isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if my sarcasm was a little too dry, then I apologize, and I also embrace the apologies of those others who have apologized.
I know your pain. Blouses for *the big girls*, broad shoulders, and small(ish) waists are not easy to find. You either have to take it in at the waist or you get used to extra drape of fabric.Quote:
It is a store for plus size woman because I found that is one of the few stores that carry nice shirts and blouses that will fit my shoulders and chest.
On the upside, I did learn that big girls make excellent air bags when you endo.
OUUUUCH! THAT's a pain I don't wish to know! It was bad enough when one of my "girls" got hit BY an air bag. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by sundial
That's nice to know should I get the chance to serve as an airbag for someone :cool: :p I'll just station myself on a corner of the next Tour de C TT. That's one way to get a cool Rock Racing jersey. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by sundial
And just how did we find this out pray tell? :cool:
Lori--Hope you'll stick around. I loved your story and it was obvious that the salesperson really made your day and was helpful. These days, that's pretty rare.
We all have different "hot" buttons, I guess. When I read something that hits one of mine, I try to remember that our diversity is what makes life interesting. And we all have goodness inside us and most people don't mean to offend. Even those who try to hurt, there's something wrong inside that person's heart. We all suffer---it's the one thing all of us have in common. If I remind myself of that, it's easier for me to remember that what V says is true: it's not all about ME. Thank goodness for that!
Sorry if I over reacted last night, I was having a really bad night at work and then when I started reading things here it just made it worse.
Sundial, nice to know there is someone else out there that feels the same pain I do when it comes to shopping for tops. What a pain!
If you even come up to CT I know a great shop with a wonderful salesman that I can send you too! :D
I'm 5'11" and am not rail thin. It's next to impossible to find tops that don't expose my midriff!!!
I still think it's so great that he took the time to help you. I know, for me at least, it's difficult to shop because I get into ruts. Sometimes it takes an outsider, especially one with fashion sense, to actually do some good :D
Uh, the hard way. :rolleyes:Quote:
And just how did we find this out pray tell?
LOL! He sounds like fun! :)Quote:
If you even come up to CT I know a great shop with a wonderful salesman that I can send you too!
LoriO, please stay! As one who has put her pedal in her mouth more times than I would like to count, I know somewhat how you feel; but also know how wonderful these women are. This is a wonderful, diverse community that I enjoy every day. Some days I lurk, some days I post, some days I wish I had only lurked! But it is all good - again, please stay. :);)Quote:
Originally Posted by Velobambina
Thanks IFJane, I wanted to say this but couldn't find the right words so I canceled out my post. +1!Quote:
Originally Posted by IFjane
I don't shop at all anymore, I just wait for Knot's clothing reviews and buy that.
Yesterday I got a Colorado Cyclist catalog and was lamenting to my boyfriend how ugly the Castelli 08 pieces are. This made me sad because I am normally a Castelli fan.
http://www.castelli-us.com/ps-949-4-firenze-jersey.aspx
http://www.castelli-us.com/ps-945-4-pois-jersey.aspx
http://www.castelli-us.com/ps-951-4-fever-jersey.aspx
http://www.castelli-us.com/pc-946-1-tatoo-jersey.aspx
etc...
He said, "you CAN'T buy any more cycling clothes!!!!".
Oooh, tell Susan! Can I work on comission? (hee hee).Quote:
Originally Posted by zencentury
I don't know doodly-squid about fashion (LoriO, I need your salesguy!) but I can talk about clothes!
My favorites are the ones who leave with great fanfare, talk trash about TE forums on another women's bike forum, then come quietly back to TE.Quote:
Originally Posted by zencentury
While that is deeply offensive (yes, I'm a d*ke, but not a "vegetarian earth goddess witch," just ask my minister at the next church potluck:D) it does say a LOT about the quality of TE forums. Despite vitriolic diatribes elsewhere, this is still a "home" on the internet for women cyclists and they come back.
In large part, I think, due to the amount of LEARNING that goes on here. We all love bikes. We all understand that love. And through bikes we meet folks we'd be unlikely to meet otherwise. We do a little bit of looking through someone else's eyes, simply because we *do* see eye-to-eye on bikes and riding.
Yeah, we *all* put our pedals in our mouths (good one, IFJane!) but we take a step back, take a second look, and work to understand what's going on from another's perspective. (and I don't "go after" the woman who said these things about me, because I can understand the closeted world she's struggling in don't want to "run her out" of TE. I know how I'd feel if I lost TE, and I can imagine how she'd feel if she lost TE. It's a learning experience.)
Now, if we could just rule the world...
ok, group hug (((((((hug)))))))))
Now, anyone want to go shopping???
YEAH! I vote we go to LoriO's store!!!!:p
It's Deja Vu all over again.... when I went shopping with a group of TE gals. And there was this great gay guy, I think he was one of LoriO's fabulous Dads .... and then we had lemondrops and .... ;) :D and I just went to take the recycling out, there's no outside lights and little kitchen lights and I stepped right into a pile of my mutt Maes .... oh, now I've really put my foot in it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LoriO