I thought I was the only one who did this.....well, my grey leopard spotted Body by Victoria bra isn't really ugly....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie_Ama
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I thought I was the only one who did this.....well, my grey leopard spotted Body by Victoria bra isn't really ugly....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie_Ama
Boob-related hijack:
Son (13) and I were going on a trip, and he noticed the list of items to pack in my PDA. One of them was abbreviated: OTSBH. He said, "What's that?"
"The OTSBH? That's an Over The Shoulder Boulder Holder."
I waited and waited and waited for it to sink in and when it finally did he said, "You are a sick woman." :D
Karen
Welll I actually had kind of the opposite experience recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by LBTC
A couple years ago I was pretty solidly an A- or something. With my hair cut short and a bandanna on, baggy shorts, I could actually go topless without getting second glances. I hated bras. They rode up, the shoulder straps slid down, etc etc, I said 'Eff this' and started wearing sports bras all the time.
...then they started to be sore etc. Very uncomfortable. Hated wearing bras.
...
had a funny little thought around a month ago, and decided to raid X's underwear drawer, found a C and put it on. I was amazed at how close it was to fitting.:p :rolleyes: :cool: :eek: :o ;) :D Went to the store and realized I was comfortably a B+, not quite a C. Wow. I mean Wow. Shocked.
and this happened at the same time as the waist-trimming and sculpting from all the running around and order processing at TE... so I realized all of a sudden that wearing a 'real' bra (not a smooshing sports bra) did really nice things for my bod and I looked so much better in more form-fitting clothes than the uber-baggies I had been wearing all the time.
So yeah.... I'm happily at 36B now, but I'm kinda wondering if I'll be at 36C next year (?) but it was nice.
I'm a solid 36 A. It's not easy to find a 36 A and like many other women here I don't want a whole lot of extra padding. DH calls those FAB - false advertising bras.;) ;) Any way, I've just started to go braless except at work. I wear tight tees and the whole bit. Don't care anymore. But hey, it's important to be comfortable in your skin so you need to do what you need to do to feel good about yourself. As for my smaller than average breasts, DH says that anything more than a mouthful is a waste.:eek: ;)
Since my weight has fuxuated, am essentially a size larger than when I moved here 5 years ago, but that menopause thing has really messed me up. So I took myself to Victoria's Secret, begged for mercy and got fitted again. Just because I wore a 32 b-c ten years ago apparently doesn't mean it fits now. They put me in a 34 c, then handed me a box full of 34c and suggested I try on several to pick ones I like. Took awhile, but it was the right thing to do. In fact I forced a friend of mine to do the same thing when she had me go shopping with her - she's large chested and always wears sports bras, but needed to get something that fit to wear under a nice dress.
Clothes - I find that sales help makes the difference. My current favorite is Banana Republic because their sales people actually help, and will tell you when something doesn't look right. When I lived in rural areas I did a lot of catalogue shopping, but would often get clothes that didn't fit right (especiallly slacks and skirts).
And shopping in general - being short, and medium build, I've never had much of a selection in the 'petit" department; until I moved here. That *inbreeding* of French bloodlines means there are LOTS of short people in this city - I'm no longer short! I'm average height. It is very strange to be taller than some men in the office!
NOT a relatively simple op at all. Actually more complicated in most cases than getting implants. And you will almost assuredly need implants, also, to fill in the extra skin. Believe me, I'm not saying it wouldn't be worth it! I think it would, and I also think that insurance would cover something like this, because it would not be simply cosmetic. Something to think about for the future, Mary, when you are ready. Certainly something that a competent PS could handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.
Annie
Respecting everyones' opinions, I would like to voice my own. I've heard some very negative comments about "boob jobs" on here. Not the first time and one reason why I quit visiting these forums for awhile. The nasty comments hurt at first. Now, I don't really care because I LOVE my new boobs and am totally comfortable with having had a Breast Aug. They do not interfere in any way with my biking, running, etc. I am much happier with my appearance. Very much happier. Would it have been cheaper/easier to be happy with my body image the way I was? Yeah, I have to say it would have. But that wasn't the case. No matter how I worked out, no matter how I watched my diet, I could not achieve the shape I wanted. Vain? Ok, call me vain. :p I also got braces on my teeth when I was 50 yrs old! And am thrilled with the results. I use make-up, too! And color my hair and shave my legs............ All various levels of self-enhancement. All I'm saying is please do not be too judgemental. Big boobs, little boobs, large or small legs, saggy tummy or tight........ if you can accept what you are, awesome!! If not, and you've got options available for change and choose that route, good for you! We are all individuals and I would hope we can read/listen to others opinions without predujice and respond without criticism.
There you go -- my rant for the evening. Hope I offended no one. And hope I'm still welcome on the boards, new boobs and all. :rolleyes:
Annie
For the women having trouble finding the smaller cup size, these are an alternative.
Queen- the Spanx are on the same page.
This company wraps their merchandise nicely too :p
I'm with you, Annie! I say go for whatever makes you happy. It's all in what pleases YOU and no one else!
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Originally Posted by annie
Annie- I am very sorry if my comment about boob jobs was one of them. I have seen very many women with tastefully done augmentations and do not see any issue. There are just some that I find tacky but I assume their owners love them and I guess it keeps the world interesting. I have tattoos some may find awful but I like them.
<<<<<<Annie>>>>>>
I'm sorry anyone said something hurtful about something that is your personal choice. If having them makes you feel better in your skin than more power to you. I ,for one, welcome you back with open arms. I value your knowledge as a cyclist and I have found many of your posts inspiring.
Amanda,Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie_Ama
Thanks, but don't worry! I am NOT offended. I think it was my problem that I was defensive for awhile and am now past that.
I've seen tattoos I love and some I do not. :eek: Yet I would never criticize. So I know what you're sayin'........
Annie
Still, you can't stop people from voicing opinions. And we all have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by kjay
Thanks! As I said to Amanda, maybe it was me who was overly sensitive to comments. IDK!! Whatever, I just wanted to make people aware than their comments can be, and are, taken to heart by some of us reading the posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtiger
I am first and foremost, on these forums, a cyclist!
Annie
True. What an awful, boring world if we all thought exactly the same!! Trouble comes when we try to impose our beliefs on everyone else and assume we are the only ones who are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by zencentury
Annie
Well, I have felt the same way about comments regarding what we do to our bodies. I haven't had a boob job, but I probably am a candidate for one. However, in my case, finding some well made bras that fit have enhanced the body image in a cheaper way. I always wear bras with fiberfill padding, not the heavy stuff, or else everything shows through. I buy my bras on line at BraSmyth, that specializes in having a huge range of sizes. They mostly do bigger sizes, but they do have a page or two of petite sized bras, some with padding, some without. They are not cheap ($50-70), but they fit and sometimes go on sale. I did get fit in a local lingerie shop and it was worth it.
Yes, and I wear make up, get high lights in my hair, paint my nails and love buying clothes. Well, i do buy most of them on line because there are hardly any stores that carry petite sized clothes that are not either for old ladies or teenagers.
In spite of the above, i don't mind getting dirty or sweating. I will never be one of those people who takes their helmet off, shakes their hair out and looks great. And that doesn't bother me at all.
Well, I hadn't read this thread yet. I'm posting to tell you, Annie, that I agree 100% with you. Sometimes the comments about boob jobs can be hurtful. A lot of people make judgements about breats implants without really knowing where a person comes from.
I, too, have breast implants. I was barely an AA cup before I lost weight and then when I lost 40 pounds, there was NOTHING. Worse than that, there was nothing and my nipples fell into themselves to make little inverted hammocks. Because I spend 98% my time in workout clothes/tri clothes, enhancing bras were not really an option. I have a boyish figure, slim hips, no rear, muscular waist. Honestly I looked like a 12 year old boy. I worked hard to get fit. I have 6 pack abs. But the more fit I got the worse my breasts looked.
I went to the PS and told him that I wanted to have some breasts. I told him my athletic activites. He agreed to give me implants that would give me some shape and fit my activity level. Mine are some of the smallest that he's used. I'm now a large B/Small C. In some bras I wear a 34B and in others a 34C. I don't think that they look as good as "REAL" breasts, because they are not "real" breasts. But I didn't get that choice.
I don't think that anything had been said here that was terribly offensive, but just wanted to add my support to Annie. Sometimes it seems that the negative extreme examples of breast implants overshadow the others.
I've gone to a D cup and the last bra I got in that size requires the ductape solution, but I *think* it's a style issue. I wish I knew... and I don't like shopping either. I hate it when Bali takes *my* bra out of circulation. (I'm of the category of people who can neither execute nor imagine spending beau coup bucks on my 'body image.')
Well, just to clarify my own stance on the subject a bit, for whatever that's worth:
I think it's great that women who feel uncomfortable about the size of their breasts can have them surgically adjusted to make them bigger or smaller- whatever makes them more comfortable about themselves. This is especially understandable for women who naturally have very little or very large breasts, or who have had breasts removed of course.
My only objection to implants is when women get gigantic implants that make them look deformed and bizarre- I feel the promotion of the huge deformed beachball look as an ideal sends a very unhealthy message to young men and young women.
I have no issues about implants or reductions that fall within the realm of what *might* be a natural size. Not my thing, .....but hey, it might BE my thing if I had nothing at all there, or way too much there!
Ok here's mine.
When i was 14 years old and not comfortable with my body yet (who is at that age), My mom who was the same size as me (34b, very common i would say) had a breast job. It scared me for a long time. I really thought there was something wrong with my size.
I am so over that now! And am very proud of my boobs. They are still pretty perky for a 39 year old very active women. I also know a few women whos' breast are very samll and understand they would like bigger. And support them wanting to improve them. I just don't understand someone like my mom who had perfectly wonderful breast and made them bigger? And the fact that she didn't consider her daughter might be affected by this.
Thanks, Silver, for sharing your story and viewpoint and reasoning. I agree that nothing said here was terribly offensive, I guess I was just ready to open up a dicussion from the POV of someone with implants, since it seemed that most comments came from those without.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver
Lisa SH, just gotta tell you - I do not have, nor want beachballs! LOL! Mine may not be quite as saggy as naturals would be at my age, but I'm ok with that. I've still got a ski slope, but it just doesn't scoop out as much as before. No big air for mini-skiers.
Brandi, Did you ever ask your Mom why she had a boob job? Maybe she didn't think they were as wonderful as you did? That's a good question. I know women worry about this and the effect it might have on their daughters. No easy answers. How to decide what is more important - your own self-esteem or the possible (yet unkown) effect on someone you love? You raise a very good and thought-provoking situation.
Annie
A wiseazz once said "Opinions are like azzholes, we all have them, just some stink more than others". ... sometimes people need to be more careful about the way they choose to express themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by zencentury
My opinion, too. I like boobs. I do. Lots. :D :p but yeah, the cantalope-sized fake boobs you see on some chicks are very unappealing. Just enough for a hand or mouth, I think, is easily enough... and as a person into piercing/tats, body mod, etc.. people need to do what makes their appearance match their mental perceptions of themselves- in a positive and healthy way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.
I was okay as a AA, and ok as an A. I'm happy as a B, and would still be ok if I lost weight again and went back to A or AA... *shrug*
I don't think anyone directly criticized Annie. If they did, I missed it. As she herself put it-Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitsune06
And in a situation like this you also have to consider that when you read something it may not sound the way the writer intended it. When we compose the written word we are transposing our thoughts as we "hear" them. Emphasis and inflection are lost and sometimes misunderstanding arise.Quote:
Originally Posted by annie
If I had $10K to spend, I would *SO* have a boob job! Was always a B, but they were lovely, perfectly shaped Bs, then had baby #1 and nursed 13 months, about to have baby #2 and nurse. I HATED my breasts after I stopped nursing #1 and can't imagine they will be nicer after nursing #2! Ga-ross. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by annie
And am so in love with my nice, full preggo boobs! So is DH, who is a boob man! Being married to a boob man when you have saggy pancakes is no fun. YES, he loves me just the way I am, but he wouldn't love me less if I had nicer ta-tas that's for sure! :D
So yes, if I had the cash, I would totally get new boobs!
:eek: :eek: Is that really how much it costs? :eek: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoddyToddy
H&B
~T~
For really good ones! I'm not really sure, actually!Quote:
Originally Posted by LBTC
But I do know that each implant alone is about $2K. Then you have the consultations, the actual surgery, the anesthesia, and so on...
Only if I win the lottery or inherit a lot of money from some old crazy aunt I never knew I had....!
I've looked into having brachioplasty because my upper arms are so flappy. I have a hard time finding shirts to wear. The more I do weight training, the worse the get :eek:
Anyways, it was 3-4k per arm and there's no implant involved in that surgery. I imagine a boob job would easily be 10k.
How about a tummy tuck--the mommy makeover kind? What do they run?
I've always wanted one, since my first child. The first time I ever brought it up with my husband he was more dismissive of my feelings than he'd ever been. He thought it was unnecessary, but now that I'm much older I don't care much what he thinks. I'm going to find a way to get it.
I don't feel as horrible about my baby flap that I used to. I developed a new appreciation for life and everything one day, when I ran across a picture of a line of women standing naked. They were in line for the gas chamber. :'''( I studied that picture for a long time and it was utter sadness to behold and I will never forget it. But I learned things about women's bodies that I never knew before. I don't want to trivialize that event ever at all, but that photograph had a profound effect on me in ways aside from the obvious.
Karen
cost depends on where you live and what choices you make. Mine was less than $4,000. I have high profile saline, smooth Mentor implants, placed under the muscle (costs more than over the muscle but definately has better results), with the incision under the breast (less chance of have numbness in the nipple area). I believe that I had a great job. I am VERY pleased with the results.....let's see.....I got them in Nov. 04.
I drive an old minivan that rattles. The way I see it....the cost is the difference between driving a new car.
However, I live in the boonies. I've heard advertising for a BA for $2,000 but the price has an * by it and says over the muscle only. I feel sure that once they get the person in there they sell them up.
In my 20's I used to wish for the Boob Fairy. Well, she came in my late 30's and now I have a hard time finding tops that fit broad shoulders and boobs without taking it in at the waist. Ack!
Thank you for posting that profound insight, Karen. I hear you. My best friend in high school 40 years ago had Jewish parents who had saved dozens of photographs from the concentration camps in order to remember. They let me see them when I asked and i too was deeply changed forever by those pictures. It gives you a real view of how precious our lives are, and how horribly easy it is to forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckervill
Not really much to do with this thread except in a superficial way of course.
Depends on where you live, how much you need to have done - like do you need a lift, also. Silicone is more expensive than saline. Mine were saline, under the muscle, crease incision, just like Silver. Cost was right under $5K. Worth it, IMO. I, too, am very happy with my results and would recommend my surgeon.Don't know the cost of a TT, Tuckerville, but I would guess it's higher. Maybe not, tho', since you wouldn't have the cost of the implants, plus the surgery. Hey - go for it if you can. Life is short.Quote:
Originally Posted by LBTC
Annie
I'm happy to be alive.
I was recently by one doctor that I should have been dead five years ago, related this comment to another doctor who said "yep, that stent pulled your azz out of the fire".
Things like this tend to change ones perspective.
If I was diagnosed with breast cancer, and had a mastectomy, I'm not sure I would opt for an implant. I hesitate when it comes to foreign objects in my body. I stressed over the titanium staple in my knee.:confused: :eek:
But, sundial, titanium is Good!Quote:
Originally Posted by sundial
H&B
~T~
i think we all have our i hate my body moments..but at least you can recognize it early and do something about it..its hard because our lives are so busy...its a good thing we have riding
I live in Dallas, TX... and you can get a very nice breast augmentation (BA) for $4000-$5000 around these parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver
For a really well known popular Dr. it's around $7000. I can see a BA costing around $10,000 IF you need a lift AND implants. A lot of women who are fixing what pregnancy did to their boobs, need both the lift and implants... thus it's a lot more money.
Unfortunately, when talking about breast augmentation (BA) it's almost like talking about being pro-choice or pro-life. It brings out a very passionate side in people.Quote:
Originally Posted by annie
There are people who are passionately AGAINST BA's. That's how they are... and always will be. Nothing is going to change thier mind. No matter how nice your boobs look now, or how aweful they looked before... no matter how easy the surgery was or how you don't have any of the horrible side effects... those people aren't going to hear it. They hate BA's end of story.
If you are going to be willing to put it out there that you have a BA, then you have to be ready to take abuse from these people. Plain and simple.
It's sad... but true. Obviously you have come to a point where you are strong enough to say, "screw off", to those people. Good job!
I'm sure you will also set an example for other women who are considering it... that women can get a tasteful BA that fits their body and simply enhances what was already good.
An interesting viewpoint. You make it sound as though women who are not in favor of breast augmentation operations are full of hatred towards women who are. Stating one's own opinion that differs from another's is not "abuse", it's just a basic right of expression.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSH
What *is* accurate is that each woman has their OWN opinions on the subject, and when groups of them talk about the subject in an open discussion forum, then one can expect to hear various opinions, both pro and con. Discussions involve a back and forth exchange of ideas and opinions. If one doesn't want to hear any opposing views, then one shouldn't be reading a discussion about it. As far as I've seen, the women in this discussion were pretty much just stating their own viewpoints, not attacking anyone here.
No need to tell anyone to "screw off". I think Annie also understands this concept of being able to discuss varied opinions without personal attacks.
So? Why would anyone feel it's necessary to try to change their mind? :confused: One could say the very same thing about people who are passionately FOR BA's.Quote:
There are people who are passionately AGAINST BA's. That's how they are... and always will be. Nothing is going to change thier mind.
I don't remember who asked about the cost of a tummy tuck, but it is easily $8500-10,000. The cost depends on what is involved.
If it is a simple abdominoplasty (no muscle plication-tightening) then it is less.
It is extremely painful. I had a simple "mini-tummy tuck" after I had my son. It was worth every penny and ounce of pain to me. Those who need muscle work have much more pain than myself.
It should involve an overnight stay in the hospital as well.
I obviously don't have anything against PS and think if it is an issue that causes someone to feel self conscious about their appearance and they have the money to fix it, good for them.
I also had Rhinoplasty 11 yrs ago. Again, money well spent.
As for bras- get a fitting and try out as many as needed to find a comfortable type. I was barely a 32A before my son. Then I breast fed and had to deal with D cups for the entire time! I now am a 34B and happy there. I am not sure how one deals with large breasts, they made me so uncomfortable.
Breast reduction surgery can be covered by insurance if there are documented side effects (back pain, neck pain). So, there is no need to suffer in pain.