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  1. #17491
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    Just to show how out of the consumerist culture I am these days, I've never even heard of Rapha! I could google it, but why?
    Emily

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  2. #17492
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    I've heard that Rapha's stuff is actually nice, good quality. But too rich for my blood.

    So, bad day today. I've been expecting layoffs at work. Many of us have been expecting it. Our client's new fiscal year starts soon. The software application we work on is very mature and in need of rewriting, but they haven't decided yet what direction they will go in, or maybe they have decided but are just moving very slowly. We've been in austerity/maintenance mode for a while now, and had a 20% staff cut a year ago. So, today more people were laid off. I've been here for almost 17 years, and some of the people I said goodbye to today have been here for 13, 15, 17 years. I was too busy this afternoon to really think much about it, other than to say goodbye and make sure I had their contact info. Now as I sit here, I feel sick.

    Rumor is that we will be forced to take vacation/leave without pay in the next month or so because the funding does not exist to cover the rest of us in the short term. If true, for me this could mean having little or no time to spend with my parents at Thanksgiving and Christmas. I should know more early next week.

    So on the one hand I'm glad I still have an income and health insurance, but uncertainty remains, as my programming skills are not up to date and there is no chance of getting good experience with more marketable skills as long as I work here. And I am sad.

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  3. #17493
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    So sorry to hear that NY! I hate how we can be so easily discarded.

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  4. #17494
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    I am sorry, NY. I hope you make it through this, without too much stress.
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  5. #17495
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    Quote Originally Posted by ny biker View Post
    So on the one hand I'm glad I still have an income and health insurance, but uncertainty remains, as my programming skills are not up to date and there is no chance of getting good experience with more marketable skills as long as I work here. And I am sad.
    Don't write yourself off too quickly - my husband (an EE and embedded systems programmer) says that there are many things, especially in the embedded world - the things you don't see that run factory lines, power generation, etc. that use old programming languages that are in need of upkeep and updating - but the newly minted programmers aren't learning those languages anymore.... he says the newer languages don't require them to learn the inner workings of how data is stored and how to make code efficient - present your mature knowledge as positive point rather than a liability!
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  6. #17496
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    Hi NY biker,

    Don't let circumstance dictate your path in your life. If you don't think you have future with current employer, brush up your resume and start practicing for your interview. Think of the questions you may be asked at an interview. How do you want to answer them. Or do you politely decline them. Think of your strengths and weaknesses. Are you willing to relocate, hours you want to keep, salary question. Salary question is always tricky so skirt around it and don't commit to any number. And keep in mind of compensation in your financial math, things like 401k matching or not or pension.

    When I was laid off (what an euphemism for YOU'RE FIRED), I was fully expecting it. I was willing to make bets with my co-workers. That was about 8 years ago.

    BE PROACTIVE!!

  7. #17497
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    NY, I can relate to what you are dealing with. I went through the same thing at my company (where I'd worked since '85) in the years from 2001-2010, as I watched many friends, colleagues, and even my husband be laid off as the market contracted and the company became mired in financial (and eventually even criminal) struggles. I managed to hang on until I was ready to resign (early retire, but not with any kind of package) in 2010.

    Over the years, I had a lot of sadness and survivor's guilt after lasting so long, while so many others (some much more talented than I, but in a more vulnerable part of the company, or a product line that got canceled) were let go. It was hard. I was worried about being laid off many times as rumors swirled. I too worked on a mature product, and my software skills were old-school compared to all the computer sci grads in the '00s, and even the 1990s. Fortunately, our product was high quality, and we had a strong customer base who wanted to retain their investment, so those of us who knew the "old stuff" were spared for a much longer time than some of the newer folks with the more marketable, in-demand skills.

    As it turned out, it was good that I left when I did, as 8 months afterwards, my manager and most of my co-workers were finally let go. I was very fortunate to be able to afford to retire and not have to go back to school or figure out how to freshen my skills otherwise to continue working in software development. I have missed my co-workers and the comraderie, but never the work nor the office politics, nor someone else controlling my destiny, in the ensuing 7 years.

    I hope you will land on your feet no matter what happens. You do need to prepare for the worst and plan your exit plan whether you get laid off or leave voluntarily at some point. And if you are able to stay there and the situation rights itself, then at least you'll be able to sleep at night knowing you have your ducks in a row. Please keep us posted!
    Emily

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  8. #17498
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    Can someone explain to me the endless need men on forums have of repeating the BS that men are so put upon? "well, you better start with flowers because no matter what, you're wrong", "you'll just have to apologize for being a male and tell her she's right", "we're the only group (white males) left in America that's okay to make fun of". All those tidbits in less than two days on a couple of forums I'm on. Add to that multiple comments on how PC is ruining the country.

    All I wanted was to glean some information about RV's. I was a separatist in the late 70's and early 80's, I am very strongly leaning that way again.

    Electra Townie 7D

  9. #17499
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    Perhaps low self-esteem, lack of emotional intelligence and a more narrow life focus. Personally I prefer helping women with low self-esteem caused by sexual abuse and victimization than dealing with the kind of men with low self-esteem on the net you’re writing about…I'm not on the net much but I do see some of it briefly on one site I post music and photography to. I just put the person on my ignore list so I don’t have to deal with their negativity or read their posts in the future.

    Be the light Pax…..
    ‘The negative feelings we all have can be addictive…just as the positive…it’s up to
    us to decide which ones we want to choose and feed”… Pema Chodron

  10. #17500
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    I don't include people like that in my circle. Thus, I go on no other forums, except this one! The web seems to give permission for people to say things they wouldn't say face to face.
    That said, I also don't like being around women who constantly bash males and make generalizations that sound like, "Well, he's a man, what do you expect?" It was rampant in the teaching profession. They would frequently say things to allude to the fact that my opinion didn't count, because my husband is "nice." Oy.
    Most of my practice and the group I run consists of people experiencing trauma from abuse. Mostly women, but a couple of men, too. I can feel deeply for them and work with them, but it does not color my view of society in general.
    This only supports my strong belief that is up to mothers of sons to instill feminist values and equality in their children. It amazes me how even younger people fall into traditional roles.
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  11. #17501
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    Things have gotten so much worse in recent months, they now have "permission" to be endlessly nasty. So, I walked away, I'll still get information but won't participate. Unfortunately that's how forums die, people read and absorb what they need, but don't contribute, it soon becomes a small echo chamber.

    I'll move my energies back to the places I value, feminist/lesbian/women's groups.

    Electra Townie 7D

  12. #17502
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    Pax, have you tried the women's RV forum? It's not as thorough or active as the big RV forums (irv2 is where I get most of my technical info) but is much friendlier! That said, I am not active on any RV forums, just go to them if I have a specific question or research item.

    http://www.womenrv.com/forum/
    Emily

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    2007 Trek Pilot 5.0 WSD "Gloria" - Selle Italia Diva Gel Flow
    2004 Bike Friday Petite Pocket Crusoe - Selle Italia Diva Gel Flow

  13. #17503
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    Emily, yes, I've been a member there for years, thanks! Some very knowledgeable women on that board.

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