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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Hamilton View Post
    Thank you.




    Muirenn, I see one in your signiture. Do you love yours?
    Would it be comfortable on a 50-70 mile ride?
    My fit is not average. I'm 5'7" (really 5'6.75" or 170 cm), and my inseam is 33.3". And my arms are as long a guy's.

    But yes. I love my CAADX. It's great anywhere. It is high off the ground compared to my regular road bikes because CX need to be higher to clear obstacles. I haven't looked at this year's geometry. But I know in the past, it seemed they would not fit someone less than 5'4" or so.

    Is the Advocate Cycles bike I linked to out of the question? It is almost identical to the Vaya, but higher quality. It's a special company. I know of a lot of people on mountain bike forums with them. Plus, it's on sale for $1100.00, so you could upgrade to lighter wheels if you wanted. I have 4 bikes, or I would get one. (Salsa's are beautiful. Very high quality. Since the Advocate bike is 530 steel versus chromoly steel for the Vaya, it would weigh less. You could test a Vaya, and get the Advocate. .. Unless it can't be shipped to Canada.

    OTOH, the bikes you mentioned that you like sounded perfect. Especially the Ruby, since it is your favorite.
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    The closest Advocate Cycles store is like an 9 hour drive one way. Unfortunately...
    Of, course, there is always an option to send it to a mailbox storage place in Niagara Falls (has been done with many, many things with lots of items), but I would really hate to buy something without trying it first. I think that the whole fitting and adjusting experience is very important, so I would only go with something shipped if I knew exactly what I am getting.
    Also, one of the Salsa's dealers around offers 0% financing over 12 or 24 months, which really helps to get the bike you want, as opposed to the one you can afford out of pocket.
    I will definitely be checking it out as soon as I can, schedule permitting.

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    But I know in the past, it seemed they would not fit someone less than 5'4" or so.
    No, the bike is too high off the ground. Even in size 44, which they no longer make. Now the smallest is what they call 46.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Hamilton View Post
    But I know in the past, it seemed they would not fit someone less than 5'4" or so.
    No, the bike is too high off the ground. Even in size 44, which they no longer make. Now the smallest is what they call 46.
    I don’t think they made women’s CAADx’s last time I checked. And the men's were only available starting at a size smaller than I needed. The women’t size 54 CAADX would fit me better than the men’s 51 I own, but my bike will last a long time.
    Last edited by Muirenn; 03-13-2018 at 07:23 AM.
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    There is one model this year. With APEX 1 HDR group set. And very pricey. Smallest size is 46 and standover is very tall too, at 75 cm.

    The one I have tried is men's/unisex.

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    Looking at the mens geometry chart, the current mens 51 is smaller than my 51, in horizontal top tube stack. Mine, a 2013, had a slightly longer top tube, a weirdly short reach, and higher stack. (shorter reach than expected for the stack). It was different in 2012 and 2014. Anyway. Geometry changes year to year. Something to be aware of. I think both the mens 54 and womens 54 would fit me. often, I use a much larger number size in womens.

    I'm glad Trek 420 chimed in. I thought a mixte frameset like her Buena Vista might work for you, along with the Vaya. I'll be interested to see which styles you prefer.
    Last edited by Muirenn; 03-13-2018 at 07:34 AM.
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Hamilton View Post
    There is one model this year. With APEX 1 HDR group set. And very pricey. Smallest size is 46 and standover is very tall too, at 75 cm.

    The one I have tried is men's/unisex.
    Are you familiar with SRAM road shifters? They are different than Shimano in the way the work. Not everyone likes them. APEX is low end in the SRAM line, quality wise. Definitely not 105 level. I rode with Apex for two years on a Salsa Fargo. I sold the Fargo because it was just too expensive to switch everything over to 105. I get along great with SRAM MTB stuff, but not their road stuff. Just me, though. Some folks love the SRAM road stuff. Not knocking it. Just saying you might want to try before you buy if you haven't ridden with the SRAM double tap road stuff.
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    I think I would be one of those people, North Woods. I have a lot of trouble with muscle memory and mechanical/spatial things, and once I learn something, it is difficult for me to switch. Although I went from trigger shifters on a mountain bike to Ultegra with no issue, and shifting has always been intuitive to me, I had an embarrassing experiencing leading a ride a few years ago.I was sweeping the faster group and this younger woman, who was clearly very fit was lagging and as we neared the end of the ride, I realized she had no idea how to shift. She had bought the bike in the fall and this was one of her first rides the next spring. She could barely get up little rises. I only looked at her shifters and assumed they were Shimano... we stopped and I was trying to show her, when I saw the SRAM. I only remembered something about double tap, so I started playing around. I couldn't figure out if it was double tap to go up, down, or both, and having just one lever totally messed me up. Anyway, I apologized for being a bad leader and I was able to get the bike in a lower gear for her, by accident!
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    Quote Originally Posted by north woods gal View Post
    Are you familiar with SRAM road shifters? They are different than Shimano in the way the work. Not everyone likes them. APEX is low end in the SRAM line, quality wise. Definitely not 105 level. I rode with Apex for two years on a Salsa Fargo. I sold the Fargo because it was just too expensive to switch everything over to 105. I get along great with SRAM MTB stuff, but not their road stuff. Just me, though. Some folks love the SRAM road stuff. Not knocking it. Just saying you might want to try before you buy if you haven't ridden with the SRAM double tap road stuff.
    to be entirely honest with you, I was not even considering this particular bike. It is too large to start with and at this price point makes very little sense to me.

    I went to a very large and reputable Trek and Cannondale dealer. I had a very long conversation with a gentleman there. They have quite a few bikes in my size from previous year and can get anything 2018 very quickly. After considering everything I had to say, they offered me a couple of very doable options with disks and Tiagra. One option is last year's Cannondale Synapse Disk. It basically ticks all the boxes, except the 105, and is priced very comfortably at $1300. Brand new 2018 is the same components, but $1600. There are a few differences, 2017 is 12-30 (2018 is 11-34 ), and 2017 uses 700X25 tires (2018's tires are 700X28). It looks like endurance bikes across the Trek, Cannondale, Specialized are really moving away from 700X25 tires, especially in their Disk models.
    Or, altenatively, if I am willing to go up to $2000, there is Synapse Disk 105 (mechanical disks) or new Trek Domane Disk Tiagra (hydrolics). It's the basically the choice: better breaks or better gears.
    I am still, obviously, undecided...
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    The SRAM double tap is different from Shimano in that you do both the down shift to an easier gear and up shift to a harder gear with the small lever under the large brake lever. Push the lever in half way and you go to a higher gear. Push it in all the way to drop down in gearing. With Shimano, of course, the two shiftings are done on separate levers.

    My problem was SRAM road shifters was getting that lever pushed all the way in when I needed to drop down in gear, as when tacking a big hill. Had to reach in too far for me to do it, easily. Had to loosen my grip on the hoods (and I don't have petite hands) to get it done. Very awkward. Then, if I failed to push the lever in all the way or released it before the shift was complete (the Apex was very slow), I'd end up shifting up a gear, instead of dropping down a gear. ARRGGHH! That, of course, stopped my climb in its tracks. It also made my Salsa Fargo worthless for trail riding where shifting needs to be even faster and the timing more critical. Was a total disaster for techy trail work, even though Salsa advertises the Fargo as a drop bar mountain bike. Not for this gal!

    Also, I wore out the Apex shifter on the right side in one season. My bike shop took care to it for me, but even repaired, they couldn't keep it shifting, right. Lots of trips back to the shop. This same shop now refuses to stock any bikes with Apex because other customers were having the same problems. When they do stock SRAM road group, now, their minimum is Rival.

    I found down shifting on the Shimano by pushing the brake lever in to be much easier and much faster and much more comfortable, all with my hands firmly on the hoods. I have used 105 for some moderately techy trail work and while not as good as MTB trigger shifters, of course, it does work.

    Again, I love SRAM MTB shifters - use them on several bikes - but SRAM road shifting doesn't work for me. Does work for other folks, just not for me. Hope I haven't offended any SRAM road fans. You'll have to try it and decide for yourself. You may like it, you may not. Not putting it down. I just couldn't manage it, well. Bad choice for me.

    If anyone does go SRAM road, though, I'd highly recommend stepping up to Rival.
    Last edited by north woods gal; 03-13-2018 at 04:27 PM.

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    I don't have a problem shifting SRAM, but the group was alway out of alignment. I had a SRAM Force Rival mix on my Pinarello, and that group never shifted properly and I was always relieved when the front chainrings responded properly. I had to replace one of the front chainrings a year into ownership because it was defective. That helped. But not enough. 105 was and is far better. I upgraded the bike to Ultegra after 5 years since I love the bike. In a lot of ways, I prefer 105 to Ultegra. But it does weigh less. And Ultegra is more comparable to the quality of the Pinarello frameset. (Quite high end, but not the highest available).
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

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    I thought the Synapse would be a good bike for your purposes. Unless you want something that is a little more multi-surface than that. I love Cannondale. I had a 2008 Synapse, but the design was drastically different back then. It was a traditional diamond frameset, and did not have the high stack you'd expect to find. The new design and carbon lay-ups make for sense. That bike had too much flex, also. (I have a bigger bike, and larger frame sets tend to flex more. Plus, I'm taller, and probably prefer a stiffer bike just because I have more mass. I need the power transfer. Small frame sets are inherently stiff, yet smaller riders tend to look for a little more flex for shock absorption. That is why the Ruby and Silque are so nice. They have added flex in the suspension systems. Though I've no idea if the Synapse has that now).
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

    Battswebb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    I thought the Synapse would be a good bike for your purposes. Unless you want something that is a little more multi-surface than that. I love Cannondale. I had a 2008 Synapse, but the design was drastically different back then. It was a traditional diamond frameset, and did not have the high stack you'd expect to find. The new design and carbon lay-ups make for sense. That bike had too much flex, also. (I have a bigger bike, and larger frame sets tend to flex more. Plus, I'm taller, and probably prefer a stiffer bike just because I have more mass. I need the power transfer. Small frame sets are inherently stiff, yet smaller riders tend to look for a little more flex for shock absorption. That is why the Ruby and Silque are so nice. They have added flex in the suspension systems. Though I've no idea if the Synapse has that now).
    It seems that the new trend for many companies is to turn their endurance bikes into a multi-purpose machine. Effectively, my original idea of purchasing a road bike and throwing 70030 tires has already been successfully adopted for 2018 by the companies themselves. )
    Interestingly, Cannondale's version is the most affordable with similar specs. $500 more affordable.

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    Lady Hamilton, I would always go with the extra gearing over the brakes. If you are not going to be riding in the rain all of the time or you will mostly be on pavement, I am not sure you would need discs. Just my personal preference. I have had discs only on a mountain bike and I found them exceedingly difficult to get used to and forget about it if you crash or the brakes even just need work; even my mechanically inclined husband who works on all of our bikes needed to bring the discs to a shop for work.
    I have 11-32 on my Silque and 11-34 on my Guru. If you can get a lower gear, go for it, especially if you live in a hilly area. When I teach a basic bike workshop, the mantra is "the most important gear on your bike is the lowest one." It does not mean you are tough to climb in a hard gear where you have to mash the pedals.
    North Woods, now I know how I got that woman's bike in a lower gear! Thanks for the primer. I would always be misshifting.
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    I agree on the gearing. The gearing a lot of manufacturers spec on their road bikes is too high for this old gal and I'm no beginner. Sometimes I see bikes with gear specs so high that it makes me wonder what the manufacturer was thinking. My road riding is in rolling hill country. None of the hills are nasty steep, but they come one after another with only a few flat spots in between. At the end of a long ride, it takes its toll. Flat this country is not. From experience, an 11-32 on the rear with a 50/34 up from is my cut off point on a roadie. Anything higher is a no go. Much prefer an 11-34 on the rear and these are becoming more common and available with the new 11 speed stuff.
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