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    Just got my Surly Krampus back from the bike shop. Had them switch out the Dirt Wizard tires for the Knards and what a difference that makes! My trails are dry and packed hard, right now, and the Knards just fly. The Knards are also fairly pleasant on pavement, as I hoped they would be, since I'm making the Krampus into something of a utility bike. It will be a lighter version of my Pugs.

    I also had them upgrade from the 1x 11 speed NX derailleur and shifter that is standard on the Krampus to the GX derailleur and shifter. The NX worked fine. No complaints. Fits well into Surly's philosophy of affordable, but durable components. I have the GX on two other bikes, though, so I know the difference and, trust me, there is a difference. GX is soooo butter smooth and fast. It's spoiled me. Really hard to settle for the NX after using the GX.

    My only complaint? The color is okay, but not my favorite. I forget all about it when I ride, though. This really is one nice ride. After switching out to a narrower handlebar and ditching the stock saddle for a Terry, the bike now fits like a glove. The medium frame was right on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by north woods gal View Post
    Just got my Surly Krampus back from the bike shop. Had them switch out the Dirt Wizard tires for the Knards and what a difference that makes! My trails are dry and packed hard, right now, and the Knards just fly. The Knards are also fairly pleasant on pavement, as I hoped they would be, since I'm making the Krampus into something of a utility bike. It will be a lighter version of my Pugs.

    I also had them upgrade from the 1x 11 speed NX derailleur and shifter that is standard on the Krampus to the GX derailleur and shifter. The NX worked fine. No complaints. Fits well into Surly's philosophy of affordable, but durable components. I have the GX on two other bikes, though, so I know the difference and, trust me, there is a difference. GX is soooo butter smooth and fast. It's spoiled me. Really hard to settle for the NX after using the GX.

    My only complaint? The color is okay, but not my favorite. I forget all about it when I ride, though. This really is one nice ride. After switching out to a narrower handlebar and ditching the stock saddle for a Terry, the bike now fits like a glove. The medium frame was right on this one.
    The color looks very appealing in this picture. That isnone thing I hate to lose, my Krampus is dark metallic green. (Or Moonlit Seamp, as they claim).

    If I do get this frameset, I'll have to switch the black decals for white. The components on mine have white stensils, and it will look very brown together if I don't.

    What is the distance from center of the crank to top of the saddle for you? Mine is about 83 cm.
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    Here is a picture from last year of mine. You can probably see where it's too small.
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

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    north woods gal, I think your Krampus is awesome

    Our quick trip to the Owyhee Wilderness was Fun! Folks in town commenting on how hot it would be but we were at just over 6,000 feet in elevation so barely hit 90 degrees. While that is still hot, not as hot as in town. As per usual, 16 desert miles equates to about 40 regular miles. Glad we had some creek crossing so I could soak my sun shirt and my bandanna. Click image for larger version. 

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    We got home around noon from our annual cycling trip to the Berkshires. Since our friends we do the trip with now live only an hour+ from Great Barrington, we met them for lunch on Thursday, then went to the inn, which is now under new (and much better) ownership. We quickly got our bike stuff on and went out for a 21 mile ride. It was about 1:30, 88 degrees and humid. Not my choice of riding environment, but it was beautiful. There was a shallow, but longish climb near the end; DH and I were both red faced when we got back. Friday we did our ride into the Tyringham Valley. We drive to a lake and start/finish there. We used to do this the opposite way, climbing a "wall" about 1/3 of the way there. The past 3-4 years, we've done this direction, where we get the climbing done in the first half, descend the wall, which is a bit hairy, and then mostly flat. Since a general store/café reopened last summer, near the descent, we detoured and found out they have a lovely deck to eat lunch on. From there, instead of descending the wall, we cut across the mountain on a road we climbed somewhere about 4 years ago. That time, when I saw the hill in front of me, I told my friend I was going to "f*n kill him." Doing this road the opposite way did start with some pretty tough climbing, especially after lunch, but, then the descent began. I noted the spot where I thought I would lose it when going the opposite way. This is a long, long climb or descent, maybe 3 miles. Got to the end (with a 12% little steep up at the end) and felt we had it made. We had to ride through downtown Stockbridge and on Rt 7, which has a wide shoulder, but is so busy/noisy and no shade. My GPS showed it was about 90 out. After that, we only had 6 miles left, so I dumped my plain water over my head and carried on. By doing the alternate road, we cut the ride down to 37.5 from 42 miles. Yesterday, we decided on a really lovely 28 mile loop that goes into Connecticut for a bit. Again, this is a loop we used to do the opposite way, but now we get the climbing done in the first half, followed by a steep downhill back into Ashley Falls, MA, then mostly flat. This ride is just gorgeous, fields of wildflowers, small villages, farms, hardly any traffic.
    Later in the day, DH and I went out to lunch and did some shopping and I let myself get annoyed by the preponderance of people from NYC, CT, and NJ who vacation in the Berkshires. I wish more people from eastern MA would visit this part of the state... it's so beautiful and so much to do. We had 3 awesome dinners with our friends, spent time chatting by the pool and at breakfast, and last night we also met another couple they know who live in the Berkshires, who ride. Well, the guy rides and the woman is getting back into it. She was a bit dramatic, but they were nice. We are trying to plan a private tour with the company we used for our Spain/Portugal trips, to Porto, Portugal and this other couple might be interested.
    Back to reality; gotta go to the grocery store. Our bigger vacations are over for the summer, but we will have a couple of long weekends perhaps.
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    thinking i should look into this off road riding thing ......liking the hikes on the northern ca coast and forests for awhile though.
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    Here is a day with (rented) bikes we spent in Banff National Park. It's a diverse large with enough large wildlife (bear warnings especially this summer). A lot of the lakes and rivers in this national park, plus Yoho National Park in British Columbia just 80 km. or less away (but with some wildfires now) have turquoise, sapphire and robins egg blue colours.

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    Sheila, wow, nowhere near that 82cm. I usually run about 70cm on my MTBs (my clothing inseam in 31" or 32"). That's a bit lower than I do for road bikes, but I stay with the low seat height for my style of trail riding. Don't spend a lot of time in the seat. Can't afford to have it in the way, which it is when I set it too high.

    Thanks, Sky. It hasn't been under 60% humidity here in weeks, with some days over 70% and in the upper 80s. Really could use some of that dry desert air. Have absolutely no doubt about that mileage comparison. Way different kind of bicycling.

    Shootingstar, have only been to Banff, once, but I think it must be one of the most beautiful places on Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by north woods gal View Post
    Sheila, wow, nowhere near that 82cm. I usually run about 70cm on my MTBs (my clothing inseam in 31" or 32"). That's a bit lower than I do for road bikes, but I stay with the low seat height for my style of trail riding. Don't spend a lot of time in the seat. Can't afford to have it in the way, which it is when I set it too high.

    Thanks, Sky. It hasn't been under 60% humidity here in weeks, with some days over 70% and in the upper 80s. Really could use some of that dry desert air. Have absolutely no doubt about that mileage comparison. Way different kind of bicycling.

    Shootingstar, have only been to Banff, once, but I think it must be one of the most beautiful places on Earth.
    This is the problem with typing on a cell phone. 73 cm, not 83! Sorry about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    Most of the manufacturers recommend a medium for a 5'9" rider (at the moment, anyway), and they claim a 5'7" rider should be on a small. 5'10" is iffy. Good to know.
    No way would you fit on a small in Surly world. I think you would be fine on the medium, even if you needed to tweak some with a stem or different seat post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky King View Post
    No way would you fit on a small in Surly world. I think you would be fine on the medium, even if you needed to tweak some with a stem or different seat post
    One thing about the new Krampus, the seat post is an odd diameter, either 30.9. So I'd need a new seatpost. It is routed for dropper, but I don't need that anytime soon. My seatpost is a Thompson 409 mm, which I purchased due to the huge amount of exposed seatpost. Kind of a bummer that I would need a new one.

    Also considering a Karate Monkey. But I don't really know anything about KM's. Do they handle well, like the Krampus? Since I have Velocity Blunt 29er wheels, they would work on the new one. (Same seat-post issue as the Krampus, though). Opinion? How does it compare to the new Krampus?

    While we are at it, the new ECR comes in both 29+ and 27+! But I assume that really is more a touring bike, so probably now for me? Or is there actually little difference in handling?

    I can have the seatpost cut to 350 and use it on either my CAADX or my Zurich Le Monde, but I also have the Salsa orange seat post cap, and the CAADX has Canti brakes, so won't work, and orange won't match the Le Monde at all. That shouldn't sway what bike I get. OTOH, these parts are quite new, and I hate to not be able to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebeccaC View Post
    thinking i should look into this off road riding thing ......liking the hikes on the northern ca coast and forests for awhile though.
    Hike by bike...

    What bike would you get? Fully rigid steel? Or that style bike, but switch out the fork for suspension? A lot of people on Mountain Bike Review forums do that.
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    Wow! Lots of good questions.

    Sheila, the way it was explained to me is that the ECR is more of a touring bike with its geometry, designed to carry max loads of gear and has a stiffer frame for that reason. It could certainly be used for single track work, as I'm sure Sky will tell you. Would certainly handle any kind of road on this planet. Probably a smart move on Surly's part to offer it in a 27.5 version, since the industry seems determined to make the 27.5 a standard wheel size for MTBs. Even some fat bikes now using that wheel diameter.

    I see the ECR as a true expedition bike, but unless you plan to pack it up with a weeks worth of gear, it's probably overkill for casual trail riding. The Krampus and KM are true trail bikes with trail geometry and since I'm riding trails every day, carrying nothing more than some water and basic tools, I chose the Krampus. It's also a very sweet ride on pavement and gravel for some of my daily road adventures. I like those big 29+ wheels, too, since they roll over some of my very rough trial sections almost as nicely as my fat bikes, but the 29+ bikes are a lot easier to handle than the big fatties.

    The new KM is supposedly very similar to the new Krampus, but it's designed around those 27.5+ wheels. My experience with 27.5 wheels is that they are closer to the old 26" MTB size than they are to the 29" and share many of the same characteristics of the old 26". I found that the 27.5 makes for a quicker accelerating and faster climber than the 29+, very much like my 26" MTBs, but those 3" tires on the 27.5+ should make for a much more comfortable and stable ride in rough stuff than the old 26x2" tires. With my classic 26" bikes and their 2" tires, I have to be much more careful and alert on the rough stuff.

    I might have taken a KM home with me, except that they were out of stock and due in sometime later this month. Who knows, with me, I could talk myself into a KM, too, just for a little quicker and agile trail bike. Might want to take one for a test ride.

    Most of my bikes are rigid - no suspension. On rough trails, they are tooth rattlers, but you learn to adapt your riding style, letting your legs and arms absorb most of the shock. The advantage is that without suspension, bike weight is kept down and if you're packing, you can add gear to the front fork. Also, you get every ounce of effort at the pedals into the bike's movement. You don't lose anything to squish.

    On the other hand, even a front suspension fork reduces wear and tear on your arms and shoulders on a long ride and suspension does allow more margin of error when you tackle the technical stuff. On my trails, a front suspension fork makes log hopping and rock climbing and rolling noticeably easier and more pleasant. A full suspension bike, even more so, but I sold my fs bike because it was actually too squishy for my rigid bike trail riding taste.

    Unless I'm riding some really nasty roads, though, a suspension fork is mostly needless weight out on the road for me. Much prefer rigid for road work, dirt, gravel or pavement. Those big 3" tires on the Krampus or the Stashe, both rigids, soak up a lot of road buzz when you inflate them right.

    That's me, though. One thing about MTBs and MTB riders is that there's no shortage of diversity.

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    I agree with your rigid MB philosophy, North Woods. I'm a new mountainbiker, and would have learned a lot more by now if I'd actually gotten the right size. (I almost did, but got talked out of it. Oh well). And a fully rigid bike is good for technique. Plus, I wanted a simple bike, and this is it.

    Really is between the Krampus and Karate Monkey, then. I need to call the shop in Charleston (80 miles away) and see if they have them in stock. Probably not. They have mostly Specialized road bikes. But at least they have them. Not sure quite when I'll be ready financially to swap out the frameset. Might put about $400.00 down to begin with, and do the rest on layaway. I think the framesets are about $650.00 new. And I assume they would charge to build it up with my current parts.

    Current build is single speed (32 X 19), Raceface Turbine crankset (orange!), TRP Spyke mechanical discs, Jones H Loop bars, ODI Locking grips with Orange lock rings, DMR Vault rainbow pedals (forget the real name), Thomson Al seatpost, Salsa Lip lock seat post collar (orange!). Brooks saddle because it's taller, and I need the height. (Hint, this means the bike is too small). Velocity Blunt P35 wheelset with Maxxis Ardent tires. Lucking I like the Brooks, but the bag-carrying tabs in the back catch on my clothing sometimes. The orange accents look very good with the deep emerald green frameset (Moonlit Swamp, according to Surly).

    The main thing I regret is losing the color. I can try to find a green medium frameset on pinkbike, but I had the chance, and didn't do it. The seattube on the versions before 2017 is slacker, which doesn't work for my knees. 73 degrees is much better for me than 72.5.

    I love my bike.

    Let's see if it posts better from this computer.

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    Love that color. Looks like a fun ride, too.

 

 

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