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    Movie Fat, Sick and nearly Dead

    So my older brother emails me that he saw this movie, and that he is going vegan. Ok, you don't know my bro but he is a meat guy and loves his ice cream. Also on all sorts of meds like cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. said he will get off all the medicines now with his new diet.

    Check the movie out, it's worthwhile. We have been using our Vitamix for the exact purpose and I happen to be the only one in my family on zero medications.

    He said to check out Forks Over Knives as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itself View Post
    So my older brother emails me that he saw this movie, and that he is going vegan. Ok, you don't know my bro but he is a meat guy and loves his ice cream. Also on all sorts of meds like cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. said he will get off all the medicines now with his new diet.

    Check the movie out, it's worthwhile. We have been using our Vitamix for the exact purpose and I happen to be the only one in my family on zero medications.

    He said to check out Forks Over Knives as well.

    Good health to you all!
    This is the movie that convinced me to try juicing!! I haven't been able to do the juice fast, but I purchased a juicer, and I take juice to work with me every day. It is really a great way to get more dark green veggies into your diet. Between juicing, watching my diet and using my spin bike, I've lost 7 lbs since the first of the year.

    You can watch the movie on Hulu for free. http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122
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    I appreciate the vegan approach for anyone. Would you feel differently if it was a smaller scale farmer raising their animals more humanely? And also just cutting back a lot of meat in a diet long term?

    Let us know itself how your brother fares! It's good he got jolted into doing something.
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    While I don't doubt the benefit of healthy diet and exercise to reverse CAD, or metabolic syndrome, I think it's a bit of pseudo science to attribute this all to "juicing."
    Some people need to take "all those medicines" despite extensive endurance exercise, healthy eating, and lifestyle. To say you are going to get off of them, is an admirable goal, but I hope your brother has had an extensive physical with a good cardiologist, that includes a stress test. Preferably, one with dye that would show any blockages that are a result of his unhealthy lifestyle. If he's that much of a couch potato, he might be a walking time bomb, with no symptoms.
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    I'm with Crankin.

    Your brother can't count on a change, though it may help to change his diet there are no guarantees. I eat a relatively low fat diet with very little meat. High fat, low fat, high carb, low carb, it doesn't seem to effect my cholesterol levels much at all. I still have to take the drugs. Even when I went ultra low fat my cholesterol levels didn't drop enough to drop the meds.

    My BP is high. Exercise made no difference at all. I eat a low salt diet. It is a big enough problem that I think I am going to have to change my BP meds as the old ones are not working quite as well as they once did. And this is exercising more than I have ever exercised in my life and this is being thinner than I have been since 1980. My sister is a hair taller than I am and weighs almost twice what I weigh. Her BP is low.
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    I'm with Crankin on the general principles, but I do have to say, I thought I ate a healthy diet, but vastly increasing the amount of calories I get from raw vegetables makes an ENORMOUS difference in how I feel. And there's no easier way to get a whole lot of calories from raw vegetables than juicing. Otherwise, there's really too much fiber to even eat that much, let alone absorb it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itself View Post
    So my older brother emails me that he saw this movie, and that he is going vegan. Ok, you don't know my bro but he is a meat guy and loves his ice cream. Also on all sorts of meds like cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. said he will get off all the medicines now with his new diet.

    Check the movie out, it's worthwhile. We have been using our Vitamix for the exact purpose and I happen to be the only one in my family on zero medications.

    He said to check out Forks Over Knives as well.

    Good health to you all!
    That documentary... was excellent!

    I love the fact that it's a long term medical study. Some people get turned off when they hear someone is a vegan or vegatarian because they think they are going to get an animal rights lecture, and turn a deaf ear to the health benefits. Now don't get me wrong, I DO love animals! And feel better not eating something that I know had to endure the types of suffering that goes on in factor farms. But my primary objective on my plant eating journey was my health.

    Also something to check out is: "Food Inc". I found this for free at my local vid store under the education section and the library had it (same with Forks Over Knives and the juicing guy's vid). This book/vid is also taught in the children's school. Which I find says a lot about our society's sad state of health.

    This book is older, and you must get past the profanity, and sarcasim, but it's called "Skinny B*tch"...there is also a "Skinny B*stard" version. I know, crazy title! But besides the focus on veganism it hits some points about the chemicals in our foods, and the food industry. Free at the library as well.

    I'm reading "Thrive" at the moment, which is a vegan athlete book. Love it's wholistic approach. And the Paleo book, just because my gym cyclists friend is doing this, and I want to be able to compare to discuss. Nice article that gives highlights some pros and cons of both: http://experiencelife.com/article/paleo-vs-vegan/ (google paleo vs vegan life expericne if the link doesn't work, article May 2012).

    And last on my reading list, when my library hold comes in is "Salt Sugar Fat", release Feb 2012...don't think it's vegan based but basically talks about the food industry etc...and again it moves a person towards a whole foods type diet, vs the processed icky stuff.

    Finally thought on juicing... my gf has the one in the vid and I wondered if I would tire of putting the pieces together and cleaning it...so as a starting point I got a NutriBullet... http://www.nutribullet.com/ ...I used a 20% off coupon for BedBathBeyound w/their great return policy and had nothing to lose... I LOVE it! ...so simple AND you get the fiber benefits, mininal clean up.

    Please let us know how your brother does! I agree with him...one reason for the veggie life for me is I am sick of pills, their costs, side effects, etc. Best of Luck with it all!

    p.s. THANKS for your post...can you tell this is something near and dear to my heart that I'm excited about hahahha
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    Does anyone else find the use of the word "juicing" especially ironic in this context?
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    I just saw a whole segment on the news about how "juicing" is really popular now, but there's little scientific evidence that it does anything. It was the same for all of the other things they talked about.
    Eat less and exercise more. That was the upshot about losing weight.
    I've always agreed with this. Yes, some people need real education about what healthy eating is, and a lot of behavioral changes to make this happen.
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    Well, all the "evidence" I need is how I feel after drinking a fresh raw juice or eating a meal from the raw food restaurant.

    The only way I can describe it is "bright." Not in an intellectual sense, but just in terms of how it feels like every cell in my body is energized and cleaned.

    Besides the up-front cost of a juicer, I think the biggest barrier for most people is just looking at, and affording, the volume of whole vegetables it takes to get a significant amount of calories. That ought to tell us all something right there. Very, very few of us get the amount of vegetables we need - including those of us who try to eat healthy and even paleo folks who eat meat and nuts daily rather than just a few times a week.
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    Go to youtube and watch Charlotte Gerson on Cancer and Disease. She is a beautiful 90 year old woman!!!
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    Re: Movie Fat, Sick and nearly Dead

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    My cholesterol is also 225, but my NP said that my HDL and LDL are so ridiculously good that I need not worry. There is some thought around the total number having less importance.
    Same here, though my total is 218. my ratios are fantastic however, and all my doctors say the ratio is more important. My Trig. and HDL are both much, much better than when I was on a conventional low fat diet.

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    I know the total number is not as important, but I still would like to get it down. I've read some recent stuff that the protective value of the high HDL/good ratio is now being questioned. My triglycerides are average and my LDL is in the OK range.
    Well, I must be weird as I don't feel different at all with any change of diet, or eating pattern. The only thing I feel is sick if I eat fried food or drink too much alcohol! I am sensitive (not allergic) to some dairy, but I hardly eat any of it. OK, the one change I notice is I gain at least 2 pounds if I have salty food (especially Asian cuisines).
    And last year, my total cholesterol shot up about 50 points when I had been eating Paleo. It went back down within 8 weeks when I returned to my normal pattern. I still restrict my carbs from what I *really* would like, and I did like the Paleo way of eating. Obviously, it didn't like me, since that was the only thing about my habits that had changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catrin View Post
    Same here, though my total is 218. my ratios are fantastic however, and all my doctors say the ratio is more important. My Trig. and HDL are both much, much better than when I was on a conventional low fat diet.
    Same for me too. My total is 224 but everything else is fantastic.

    When I was on a more traditional diet, my total never topped out over 150 (ever) and my trigs were acceptable, but my HDL was low. My doc actually likes my new profile MUCH better.

    I was actually praised for raising my total cholesterol 75 points!
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    Re: Movie Fat, Sick and nearly Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by GLC1968 View Post
    Same for me too. My total is 224 but everything else is fantastic.

    When I was on a more traditional diet, my total never topped out over 150 (ever) and my trigs were acceptable, but my HDL was low. My doc actually likes my new profile MUCH better.

    I was actually praised for raising my total cholesterol 75 points!
    mg HDL was basically non existent before going Paleo and my trigs are also much better.

 

 

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