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  1. #16
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    Oh, and as far as measuring techniques go, I've always done the flexible tape measure method, though it can be a challenge with my long torso and short arms...and the dense "padding" over my sit bones.

    My hubby has helped me and we both pretty consistently put me at ~130mm center-to-center.

    Other people have gone to shops to be measured on gel or memory foam pads or done measurements with playdough, etc.
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  2. #17
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    Thanks Kirsten, I guess I will just stick with this seat for awhile and toughen up.

    What the heck did we do before we had forums? Suffer in silence, I guess. I think I measured finally about right at 130 also.
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  3. #18
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    This is the 3rd season for my Ruby. I bought it because my bike fitter recommended it to me, my old saddle was too wide and we were trying to solve my back issues. I was skeptical of it because of the cutout. I hated the 1 cutout saddle I had tried and ended up selling it. In retrospect the bike I had it on didn't fit and that could have been my issue with that particular saddle.

    My bike fitter told me to be patient with the Ruby, that after it was broken in I would love it. Unfortunately, I went on a week long bike tour the next week and didn't get time to break it in. On the tour I was pretty miserable, especially my sit bones. I realized my sitbones had never really touched my previous saddles. I noticed that my shorts made a difference. My beloved Shebeest Triple S shorts weren't comfortable as I also sat sideways on the saddle and got chafing on the right side, but the Shebeest Century shorts felt much better. The difference between the 2 shorts was the chamois, the Triple S had a liner on the wings of the chamois while the Century short had foam padding.

    Halfway through the tour I was determined to take the saddle back when I got home, it was the worst saddle I ever had. I thought as good as my fitter is he was wrong about that saddle. I wore the Century shorts for the rest of the tour and by the end of the week things were calming down and I was beginning to appreciate it Now the Ruby is the most comfortable saddle I've ever had.

    When I buy new shorts I make sure they have padding on the wings and I've had no chafing since. My fitter recommended putting chamois cream on the chamois. I don't remember if I did that on the tour but I do now for rides over an hour.

    My fitter was right on, as usual, give the saddle time to break in and it will be perfect. I just tried to break it in to fast. Later that summer I put the Ariel on my mtn bike and like it as much as I do the Ruby.

    A comment about the sideways sitting. I did that for years no matter what saddle I used. I never understood why until I started having issues with my SI joint. I was also sitting sideways in chairs, the car, etc. Now that I have that issue straightened out, for now, I no longer sit sideways on my saddle.

    Hope this helps with your saddle decisions.
    Last edited by Kathi; 08-01-2011 at 01:20 PM.

  4. #19
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    I don't really go onto the Rami with the Ruby or Toupe. The first Toupe I had was a 143, and it was probably one of the more minimal versions available. 165 grams! (My Ruby is 230). Both had Ti rails. It was too firm for the rami, but also too narrow.

    Got into the habit of avoiding the rami after that. I still go into the drops, but I keep my sits planted on the saddle, and lift and bend forward from the waist. Staying off the rami has made me despise doing it anytime.

    Which makes me think, if I want to bend from the hips onto the Rami, I may try a Cobb or Adamo.

    Kirsten, have you considered getting a Jett and a Ruby in a 155? You could return whichever you don't like. May even be a good idea to have both.

    Also, have you ever tried an Specialized Avatar? I'm not sure how it compares, but it seems like it's less padded than the Jett. I know the Alias is the men's version of the Jett. It says it's supposed to have a little more padding, but if that is compared to the Toupe, then it may be good. (Tried one in a bike shop briefly, didn't seem soft, but not really sure).

    I was thinking of this Avatar, since the higher end models tend to be less padded:

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...jsp?spid=56901
    Last edited by Muirenn; 08-02-2011 at 11:45 AM.
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    That would be interesting to try the men's models--how much do they differ from the women's equivalents in = widths?

    I figure I can always try the Ruby...and if I don't like the lack of cushion I could go with the same size Jett or Alias or Avatar. That nice return policy that Specialized has is a good deal--and it gets people like me opting for their stuff, vs. some of the European competition.
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  6. #21
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    The sizing is the same. 130. 143. 155.

    The Ruby has more cushion than the more minimal men's version (Toupe). I don't know about the Gel Toupe. Could be a Ruby at a lower price? I've always wondered.

    The Alias and Jett are purported to be the same, just marketed for different genders.

    I believe the Avatar I tried was more firm than the Jett. Not sure though.

    There are some others, the Phenom is a mountain bike saddle that works very well for road, but the only Phenom available in 155 is more wedge-shaped, with a smaller cutout, and the back is closed. I had one, and ended up selling it on Ebay. There is a Phenom that looks almost like the Toupe/Ruby, and does have a little padding, but not much. It's nose is wider too. Unfortunately, only available in 143 and 130. Does kind of sound like you are better off at least trying the 155 before attempting that. I suspect you may like it better than Jett or Ruby, but will still have some issues if you need a 155.

    The Henge is another mountain bike saddle. Looks just like the Phenom with the closed back, only it has no cutout, just a groove. Could be this is the right saddle-shape for you. But I didn't care for it. OTOH, I mostly didn't like the very small cutout in the Phenom.

    HEre is a page showing the Phenom and Henge: both available in 155. (Both came out last year).

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...1009&scid=1020

    ORiginal PHenom. Perfect if they made a 155. But they don't.

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...jsp?spid=59713
    Last edited by Muirenn; 08-02-2011 at 11:46 AM.
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    The Henge looks like it could be useful on my CX bike...interesting!
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  8. #23
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    If you go to 'view all,' rather than choose a category like women's, road/multipsport, etc., it will show you all their saddles on one page. Then you can look without being constrained by their categories. Because the Phenom is a great road saddle, even though they call it a mountain bike saddle.
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    If you go to 'view all,' rather than choose a category like women's, road/multipsport, etc., it will show you all their saddles on one page. Then you can look without being constrained by their categories. Because the Phenom is a great road saddle, even though they call it a mountain bike saddle.
    That's a good point...and, man...they have a LOT of men-specific saddles!
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    I have tried all of the saddles discussed at some point or another, including the avatar. I didn't hate it but it did give me like a "hot" seat from the pressure and padding. It's not overly padded but more than the ruby I was using. I have tried a ruby at least three separate times, once after my super fitting, and it always gives me rubs by the cutout. I am currently on an Affinity RXL, I love the dent but it's the only place to be. The seat is super hard and flat, no flex at all but gives you a good push on hills. It's amazing how different they all are and I have a vesta at home I want to try as well. I would say to try a men's version if you think it might work. They are not that different, my husband rides a toupe, it's the same as the ruby was. Just different marketing. He's on a romin now, that things a beast. Super hard, but he likes it. I did just order a turbomatic to try, if I hate it, it'll be up for sale in the classifieds.
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    My sister suffers from pelvic pain and she uses a noseless saddle. Something to think about anyhow. I am not sure I would like it.

    Sorry, kind of off topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    I have tried all of the saddles discussed at some point or another, including the avatar. I didn't hate it but it did give me like a "hot" seat from the pressure and padding. It's not overly padded but more than the ruby I was using. I have tried a ruby at least three separate times, once after my super fitting, and it always gives me rubs by the cutout. I am currently on an Affinity RXL, I love the dent but it's the only place to be. The seat is super hard and flat, no flex at all but gives you a good push on hills. It's amazing how different they all are and I have a vesta at home I want to try as well. I would say to try a men's version if you think it might work. They are not that different, my husband rides a toupe, it's the same as the ruby was. Just different marketing. He's on a romin now, that things a beast. Super hard, but he likes it. I did just order a turbomatic to try, if I hate it, it'll be up for sale in the classifieds.
    I too, just ordered a Turbomatic (Gel Flow, all black)...so depending on how I like it there might be 2 of 'em up for sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nscrbug View Post
    I too, just ordered a Turbomatic (Gel Flow, all black)...so depending on how I like it there might be 2 of 'em up for sale.
    If I end up not loving my Ruby saddle we could talk some trades!
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    I am creating quite a collection...I just want one to work...all the time. I am giving the Affinity RXL a GOOD try, my husband reminded me that I tend to give them one or two tries and get frustrated, so I will take more time. I have not used any lube for a while and that is why I started trying saddles without a cutout, I may be a person that needs a cutout and just HAS to lube. So many things to consider, saddles, shorts, lube...mind boggling sometimes!
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    Did my first ride on my new Ruby, today...I am definitely strongly in-like after 35 miles. I kept expecting sit bone pain, but really...there was none. It definitely felt firm and I was much more aware of my sit bones, but I didn't experience anything remotely painful. I am also pretty certain that I should have been on a 155 all this time. I'm eager to see what my hubby thinks next time we ride together...hopefully he doesn't see me drifting off to the left side of the saddle, anymore.

    I'm doing a century on Sunday...I will report back re: how the saddle works for that distance.
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