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    Quote Originally Posted by KnottedYet View Post
    The platform pedals I use (Crank Bros 5050x) have pins instead of teeth, and they cause me fewer boo-boos than my old bear traps. I think the pins grip better than teeth for the way I ride, too. (see the pins on the Shimanos that Irulan posted)
    The riders I hang with use a shin pad, something like, "veggie Skins" by 661

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    I use speedplay frogs on my road or mountain bikes... They're easy to get into and out of - lots of float for my knee. I had my share of clipless pedal falls in the beginning, but they're pretty 2nd nature by now.

    On my commuter or bikes that I use platform pedals on, I use VP bear trap/cage pedals - you can get 'em on ebay in various fun colors, and you can hook toe clips to them (least they definitely have the holes to do it):

    http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...ar+trap+pedals
    ack! I looked at those, I can't believe someone would use those for mountain bikes. They look like cheese graters.

    If you want fun colors, there are all sorts of really cool mtb flats out there, made of anodized metals and colored plastics

    Last edited by Irulan; 07-09-2010 at 08:38 AM.

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    My experience with clipless

    When I first started riding clipless on my mountain bike, I agree, it took all the joy out riding from me and I asked myself why, why was i doing this to myself?? Then the light went on - I didn't have to stay clipped if I didn't want to when hitting the gnarly stuff. I clipped out and planned ahead and clipped back in when I was ready. Sometimes our brains tell us that we have to stay clipped in for every inch of trail, but you don't have to ride every bit of trail clipped in. And when I did clip in yes, it made me a better and stronger rider on sections of trail that I was comfortable riding when clipped in.

    That's why I love the Crank Brother Candy pedals because of the platform and having the ability to clip out when required and still continue to ride. I know there are a few people on the forum who have a bad experiences with the Candy's and that's perfectly ok. You have to go with what's comfortable for you. Even if you have to go back to platforms. That's perfectly fine - I almost did as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicken Little View Post
    You could always get those double sided ones with the clips on one side and the platforms on the other.
    That's what I have now. I use the bike in question for commuting and errands and thus it must be rideable wearing regular sneakers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    On my commuter or bikes that I use platform pedals on, I use VP bear trap/cage pedals - you can get 'em on ebay in various fun colors, and you can hook toe clips to them (least they definitely have the holes to do it):
    Oooh! Lots of color choices! OK, these are now on the list of possibilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irulan View Post
    Another alternative is to give up on any kind of attachment.
    I climb up so many steep grades that I must be able to apply power on the upstroke. This means some sort of attachment. When using this bike for commuting, I'm terrified of dropping a foot off the front of a pedal while spinning out in top (MTB) gear racing a city bus to the next bus stop. This also calls for attachment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irulan View Post
    The pedal is not balanced. It's guaranteed that when you want to put your toe in the cage, the cage will be flipped to the down side and you'll need to waste time flipping it around with your toe so you can get your foot in it.
    I had toe clips for 19 years. This was rarely a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irulan View Post
    Last but not least, if you are riding on the flat side of the pedal (don't want to be in the cage) with the cage on the downside....well.... any one ever notice all the broken bits of toes clips along the trail? They get caught on things, bounce off rocks, break, reduce clearance...
    This was my primary motivator to trying clipless. Not so much for trail riding issues, but more for carving high speed turns on roads. My old toe clips were getting horribly scratched up from dragging on pavement when not clipped in.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyRubyE View Post
    Then the light went on - I didn't have to stay clipped if I didn't want to when hitting the gnarly stuff.
    That's what I've been doing now - clipping out of the SPDs for the gnarly stuff. However, the resulting reduction of control makes the gnarlies even gnarlier.
    Last edited by laura*; 07-09-2010 at 12:41 PM. Reason: Another reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    I've never gotten bikes from the bear traps and haven't had my feet slip off - the metal spiky things are flat on top so they aren't actually spiked, but it's enough to hold to my shoes. It could just be that I've been lucky though.......

    I have a couple chain ring scars.
    I have an entire assortment of chain and chain ring scars - but if that is the price of gaining bike skills then I happily will pay it. My pedals look very much like the image that Irulan posted - and while the metal spiky thingies are flat on top the edges get me almost every time. It generally happens when I have to walk my bike for some reason and a pedal brushes my leg - it doesn't take much as I think the edges are sharper than they appear to be.. At least I haven't gotten any new chain ring scars in two weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by KnottedYet View Post
    The platform pedals I use (Crank Bros 5050x) have pins instead of teeth, and they cause me fewer boo-boos than my old bear traps. I think the pins grip better than teeth for the way I ride, too. (see the pins on the Shimanos that Irulan posted)
    Knotted - those pedals look interesting. I seem to be slowly mangling one of my current pedals from previous inelegant dismounts and the occasional falls over the last few months - it hits the ground when I lean my bike over for mounting. I may well replace them with these pedals - it is good to hear that they cause fewer boo-boos.

    My LHT deserves good looking pedals as well as other parts - when I finish re-learning how to stop/dismount - having to break a very bad habit that I've had from the beginning... The Wanderer deserves to look good!

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    This was my primary motivator to trying clipless. Not so much for trail riding issues, but more for carving high speed turns on roads. My old toe clips were getting horribly scratched up from dragging on pavement when not clipped in.
    What kind of mountain biking are you doing that involves carving high speed turns on roads?

    That's what I've been doing now - clipping out of the SPDs for the gnarly stuff. However, the resulting reduction of control makes the gnarlies even gnarlier.
    Standing on your little SPDs? Yes, that would give anyone problems.

    My DH has the crank bros combos.. those work too but it sounds like you don't really want to do anything different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laura* View Post
    I've had the SPD pedals (Shimano M324) on the bike for more than a year. The situation has not been improving. As I wrote, in normal conditions I can unclip just fine. But if I'm already falling, I don't have time for two motions (unclip and then sticking a leg out). In the second incident there was no way of unclipping - my foot was trapped.

    As for clipping in, sometimes my shoe will click right in. At other times, I just can't find the right spot.



    Oddly enough, I found it easier to clip in with the tension turned up quite a ways. And this higher tension doesn't seem detrimental to clipping out.

    For the riding I do, I'd almost say I need "downhill" (platform) pedals, except I'm more often than not going uphill.

    You completely missed my point. Practice and take all the other elements out of the picture. There's no pressure in your living room. You won't fall. You will find the right spot with practice.

    I was hit by a car - on the road - and I "had time" to unclip. It becomes second nature. Unclipping and putting your foot down is 1 motion.

    You've already made up your mind so go to flats - but it really just takes practice - just like riding a bike......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irulan View Post
    What kind of mountain biking are you doing that involves carving high speed turns on roads?
    99% of my riding is on pavement. I ride a MTB because of the monstrously steep grades - and because the occasional offroad connection avoids traffic and/or a long detour.

    Even though I live in what some would consider a mountain biking mecca, there are very few off road areas* that allow bikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irulan View Post
    Standing on your little SPDs? Yes, that would give anyone problems.
    They're combination pedals - SPD on one side, and a platform on the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irulan View Post
    it sounds like you don't really want to do anything different.
    I don't like toe clips, but clipless has been a disaster so far. I'd love to find something clipless from which I can unclip as easily as from toe clips. That probably means being able to move my foot in one continuous motion with no resistance from the pedal to the ground. I'd also have to be able to clip in instantly 99.9% of the time.

    * Offroad (non)possibilities:
    • State park half a mile away. One 2 mile paved MUP with serious grades. One 1 mile dirt trail that requires fording a river and the end of which is essentially a dead end for bikes. Two trails that allow bikes but which are impassable because of too much sand.
    • State park 1.5 miles away - no bikes allowed.
    • County park 2 miles away - closed 2 out of every 3 years and no bikes anyway.
    • City park 5 miles away - no bikes except for a half mile connecting trail.
    • Railroad tracks with a path alongside - NO TRESPASSING under threat of federal prosecution.
    • State university 1 mile but an hour of strenuous riding away - maybe 4 miles of flat wide gravel fire roads - gotta get there first.
    • State park also 1 mile and 1 hour away, or 10 miles by car - plenty of bike trails but the local microclimate is perpetually freezing.
    • Forest - No trespassing, logging area.
    • Forest - No trespassing, quarry area.
    • Forest - No trespassing, watershed area.
    • Forest - No trespassing, pot growing area.

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    She's been riding clipless on SPDs for a year - so it's not like she hasn't given these a chance.

    So either clipless isn't going to work for her or the SPD style of clipless isn't going to work. I don't think spds are goign to get any easier for her with practice.

    I know my speedplay frogs are an awful lot easier to get out of than the few days that I tried spd cleats - I can get in them instantly and out of them instantly. It did take a couple weeks to get to that point - but definitely not a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    She's been riding clipless on SPDs for a year - so it's not like she hasn't given these a chance.

    So either clipless isn't going to work for her or the SPD style of clipless isn't going to work. I don't think spds are goign to get any easier for her with practice.

    I know my speedplay frogs are an awful lot easier to get out of than the few days that I tried spd cleats - I can get in them instantly and out of them instantly. It did take a couple weeks to get to that point - but definitely not a year.
    Ditto for my Speedplay Frogs. http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.frog No moving parts, passive release. Gotta love it in my little universe! I like showing off how easy they are to get in and out of by "clicking" my empty shoe in with a gentle 2-finger push, and "clicking" out by letting go of the shoe and letting it just untwist itself right off the pedal and fall off.

    Thank you for clarifying what you were looking for, Laura.

    Speedplay Frogs are ABSOLUTELY easier for me to get out of than toe clip/cages. I used cages for many years, and I was pretty darn good at managing them, but Speedplay Frogs had them beat all hollow within a couple weeks.
    Last edited by KnottedYet; 07-09-2010 at 05:16 PM.
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    Same here. Once I tried Frogs I never looked back. I use them on my road bike and my MTB.

    When I take spin classes I don't like those SPDs at all - glad the spin bikes don't tip over.

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    Read me!

    I did not read all of this thread, so I do not know if this was mention.

    Don't change the spd...change the cleat. They make a muti-direction release cleat that I have been using for 5 years. You do not have to twist your heel. Any way you pull it will release, and it do not come out unless you want it to.

    It is a 20 dollar item and it changed my life.

    trust me and give it a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnottedYet View Post
    Ditto for my Speedplay Frogs. http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.frog No moving parts, passive release. Gotta love it in my little universe! I like showing off how easy they are to get in and out of by "clicking" my empty shoe in with a gentle 2-finger push, and "clicking" out by letting go of the shoe and letting it just untwist itself right off the pedal and fall off.

    Thank you for clarifying what you were looking for, Laura.

    Speedplay Frogs are ABSOLUTELY easier for me to get out of than toe clip/cages. I used cages for many years, and I was pretty darn good at managing them, but Speedplay Frogs had them beat all hollow within a couple weeks.
    Interesting....how far do you have to twist your foot to get out of them? My fitter would like to see me eventually try the Speedplay cleats, but not the frogs - there is another kind that he likes can't think of the name of them. He did say that you have to twist your foot further to release them because of the increased float.

    Eventually I am going to try clipless again, though I already have SPD pedals, cleats, and shoes I am not sure that I want that on my bike again.

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    Laura --- Do what works for you.

    I'm a fan of SPD pedals---have MTB SPD pedals on all of my bikes (road, cross and MTB). Like some of the other posters, clipping out has become instinctive for me. Second nature. When I first converted to clipless, I was extremely mindful and I anticipated situations where I thought I might need to unclip. In addition, I keep my cool and do not let myself panic. I think these are the primary reasons that I have never taken a spill due to forgetting to unclip or not clipping out in time. My one clipless incident was due to neglecting the check the tension on newly mounted SPDs. Big mistake---it was so high that I could not unclip. I told myself, don't panic....pulled up next to a parked car, stopped, leaned against the car, and took off my shoes! I used my multi-tool to correct the pedal tension and was on my way.

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    Frogs rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Catrin View Post
    Interesting....how far do you have to twist your foot to get out of them? My fitter would like to see me eventually try the Speedplay cleats, but not the frogs - there is another kind that he likes can't think of the name of them. He did say that you have to twist your foot further to release them because of the increased float..
    Frogs are by far the easiest of all pedals to clip in/out. I have them on ALL 3 of my ROAD bikes, as do most of my friends. Had them on my hybrid too but kept them when I sold that bike. Took them to Europe on my bike vacation as well and put them on the rental bike. I will never go back to any other pedal.

 

 

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