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  1. #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilingcat View Post
    Just because its a rural road, don't even think for a minute that its safer than city riding. There are lot of yahoos out there who will drive down the country road at 70+MPH. They think they are NASCAR driver waiting to be discovered...
    This is why I've always been abit puzzled why some cyclists do think cycling out in rural roads is safer. The open road that appears to be quieter and safer, just gives some drivers excuse to go over the speed limit very easily. I could never forget cycle touring on rural roads where 1 woman was aiming at her car at my partner, to run him down...or approaching drivers who pass a
    "slower" car on a dotted line divided secondary road. Just scary.

    I personally just find a lot of cars faster on the rural roads....because they CAN be even if it's illegal...just less cars around. The legal speed limit on major Alberta highways is 110 km. / hr. We all know then alot of drivers will push it at 120-130 km./hr.

    That disgusted me coming from Ontario and British Columbia.
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    An arrest has -- finally! -- been made in this case. Let's see how this plays out now.

    Arrest made in hit-and-run death of bicyclist

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    Our criminal justice isn't about rehabilitating a person, its more about retribution and keeping them out of the society. If he gets the full 15 years and stays for full 15 years, will he have learned anything or change his attitude? Probably not. Years of punishment is so arbitrary it makes no sense to me. Will he ever get any training or instruction that his way of thinking is wrong...

    Well this is a cycling site so I will stop here. I hope he spends the next 15 years in prison though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilingcat View Post
    Our criminal justice isn't about rehabilitating a person, its more about retribution and keeping them out of the society. If he gets the full 15 years and stays for full 15 years, will he have learned anything or change his attitude? Probably not. Years of punishment is so arbitrary it makes no sense to me. Will he ever get any training or instruction that his way of thinking is wrong...

    Well this is a cycling site so I will stop here. I hope he spends the next 15 years in prison though.
    I get that...but there's currently so little incentive for motorists to exercise caution around cyclists. Because they can kill someone with their car and face FAR less time behind bars than they would if they were to "accidentally" cause death by other means to any other individual.

    Regardless of jail sentence, I hope he never again possesses a license to drive. Let him get around for the rest of his days by bicycle. That would be better rehabilitation than anything else, IMO.
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    Sadly, a lot of these people view a driver's license as a mere formality. They might or might not have had one at one time, but losing it doesn't stop them from driving, not around here anyway. And, people who've never had a serious accident also treat driving as a joke - listening to audio books, texting, poking at the screen in their cars, etc.

    I wish we had real graduated licensing. Getting people to take driving seriously can't start for the first time *after* they've killed someone. Start with real bicycle education, not the half-accurate/half-dangerous "safety towns" they have in grade schools nowadays. Require kids to take the MSF course and hold a motorcycle license for two years before they can even think about piloting four wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OakLeaf View Post
    Sadly, a lot of these people view a driver's license as a mere formality. They might or might not have had one at one time, but losing it doesn't stop them from driving, not around here anyway. And, people who've never had a serious accident also treat driving as a joke - listening to audio books, texting, poking at the screen in their cars, etc.

    I wish we had real graduated licensing. Getting people to take driving seriously can't start for the first time *after* they've killed someone. Start with real bicycle education, not the half-accurate/half-dangerous "safety towns" they have in grade schools nowadays. Require kids to take the MSF course and hold a motorcycle license for two years before they can even think about piloting four wheels.
    I totally agree...though this guy lives in a community of about 3k people. Everyone knows him (and there has been an awful lot of talk to the effect of no surprise that he was responsible or that he ran. He's been bad news since grade school and grew up 2 doors away from a friend of mine). If he has no license, yet continues to drive, people will notice and report him.
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