NY Biker- those are two regular rides for me! Almost every time I get to the top of Gates Pass I have to get off my bike and sit down. Mt. Lemmon is much longer but easier. I was there on Saturday- about the first 5 miles anyway.

Hope you get those 50's soon.

Thorn, get in touch before your trip to Tucson - if not for a meet up then for general local info on rides etc.
Sharon