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  1. #1
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    This is what my BIL had to say:

    The route for Lotoja has changed significantly since I last rode it. There is significantly more climbing. There are 2 major climbs in the first 125 miles. I've ridden them both on separate occasions. Strawberry (the first climb is close to an hors categorie in the tour. Gains almost 3,000 ft in elevation with 2 steep sections I charted at 7.5% & about 3 miles long each. The second climb is Salt Creek pass that is pretty consistent at 5% with a steeper section close to 8% near the end. After that, the course descends to the valley and is only a gradual uphill to the finish. If it's a tail wind, awesome, if it's a headwind, it's crying time. She'll also be at elevation (+7,000 feet), so take this into consideration if she's coming from sea level.

    When I raced it, it took me just over 8:30, when I rode it as a tour, it took about 9:30 in a strong group. I'd guess to have her plan on 9-10 hours from what people tell me.

    The best advice I can give is to mentally keep yourself in the ride. Over 200 miles, most people have 2 or 3 emotional crises (I averaged about 4). Have her keep in mind that each feed zone is approximately 35 miles apart. Just focus on getting to the next feed zone and you can ride through the heart ache.

    Tell her not to try and ride alone, stay in the bunches and bridge to the next group up when they're in sight. Find a group that suits her pace and stay with it as long as she can. The only time I would advise going solo and trying to break away is well into the Snake River Canyon. There's usually a tailwind in the afternoon and it's a mild gradient with enough turns, you can loose a pesky competitor. If she's racing for a place, tell her to hold wheels as long as she can from the beginning. The race goes in fits and starts and over 200 miles, the attacks don't last long. Just hold on & she'll get a chance to recover. It's a lot better to drop back if you can't keep the pace than trying to go solo to find a faster group.

    A race this long requires a lot of planning in the support. One trick I learned was to determine in advance where in the feed zone (front or back) the support will meet her and to be there in EVERY feed zone - make sure the support is wearing identifiable clothing. This eliminates looking for them and she will get through the feed zone without incident.

    Don't rely on hi-tech foods. Advise her to have real food in her bags. PBJ's ham & cheese sandwiches at least twice during the race. Also, have a packet or 2 of Enervitine's (high calorie liquid) handy in case she bonks. It will get her through to the next feed area. Musset bags are an advisable investment - also, those string backpacks that a lot of places give away work well.

    One last trick, at feed zone 6, have a water bottle of chilled (but not too cold) Coke that's gone flat. Feels great on the tummy and the little caffeine & lots of sugar provide a much needed boost. And don't be shy with the Ibuprofen. Butt & shoulders get real sore after 6-7 hours in the saddle. Take lots. She'll metabolizing it pretty fast.

    One last thing, tell her if she's getting really sore, to get off the bike for a few minutes and stretch. Also, tell her to stretch during group bathroom breaks - this really helps a lot. A 2 minute break can save close to an hour cumulatively in increased riding efficiency.

    Tell her good luck.
    Sound advice from one who has actually done the ride. I think he rode it three or four times.
    Last edited by smilingcat; 05-16-2013 at 10:30 PM.

  2. #2
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    Awesome stuff! I also love flat coke deep in a ride. Yum--caffeine and sugar--perfect combo!
    Slow and steady (like a train!)

    http://kacietri-ing.blogspot.com/

  3. #3
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    Smiling-

    Please tell your bil thank you

    That was a huge help.
    Luckily, I'm coming from altitude and have similar climbs I can do to get in shape. I am pretty sure, for me it will be keeping properly fueled and not bonking or giving in to the mental issue.
    Hoping to get a good group to be riding with and yes, I am going for a podium spot-so all of this is a huge help in planning

  4. #4
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    I rode 200 miles (sadly no peleton!) yesterday and thought of you!

    Another tidbit is that I personally think the first 50 miles are the hardest. It can be so hard to wrap your mind around how FAR you have to ride. For me, that is much harder than pushing through the pain of the end. (Of course, that's probably why I like ultracycling!).

    I guess what I am saying is that even if the first 50ish don't feel right, an ultra event can have many lives. Ultra runners like to say--If you are feeling bad, don't worry, that'll change. If your feeling good, that'll change too. Just ride out all of your feelings or sluggish legs. Good training and proper rest means that your legs will come around in time.
    Slow and steady (like a train!)

    http://kacietri-ing.blogspot.com/

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    LOL, Muirenn! My sentiments exactly!

  6. #6
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    Thumbs up

    Congrats on getting in! You'll love the ride and better yet love finishing it!

    I've ridden it 3x and am registered to make it a fourth this year - I took off two years between #3 and 4.

    Smilingcat's BIL speaks the truth: there's a lot of wisdom in that post.

    With respect to the current route, there's 3 primary climbs in the first ~100mi and after that you're "home free." The first is longer than it is steep; it's not bad at all outside of the length. The second is actually a relatively mild climb. The third - the queen, which riders are timed on - gets steeper the closer you get to the summit plus you've have ~100mi in your legs by then so it's a real doozy. The ride up the Snake River valley is beautiful, but the rollers can get tedious with all that mileage in your legs. [If you're somewhat local, I highly recommend you recon one or more of the climbs before race day.]

    I'd add that if you can ride a century, you can ride the 206mi of LOTOJA. Focusing on getting through the first 100mi and keep setting ~35mi targets from feedzone to feedzone (half are manned by your sag team and the other half by volunteers). It's just mind over matter and battling through the waves of boredom. For my training, I increase mileage month over month and try to get at least one century per month with two in the final month leading up to game day. Use the centuries to ensure you know what to feed (and not feed!) your stomach. Like another poster wrote, from my experience there's no need to put in a ~200mi day during training.

    Are you riding alone or part of a team? Make sure everyone understands each rider's personal goals long before race day. Even though you're planning to ride together, stuff happens ... you never know when it's going to be your day to shine, stink up the joint or get beset with mechanical issues. Will you stay together regardless of what happens or will you split-up?! It may not be fair for one person who is either having a bad day or didn't put in the requisite training to hold up the entire crew. Talk openly about scenarios beforehand.

    Another thing to consider is weather. Most years it's beautiful - a little cool (almost cold) in the morning (arm / leg warmers and maybe a vest - no jacket) and pleasant throughout the day (short sleeves, no leg / arm warmers). The later you think you'll finish, the greater the chance you'll need those warmers and vest back on. Keep in mind they informally re-named the race one year to SNOWTOJA when loads of folks posted a DNF as a result of not being prepared. Bring everything you have and get your sag crew to keep it handy. A change of warm, dry clothes may keep you in the race. For that matter, I make a mini costume change mid-way through the ride (fresh gloves, headband and sunglasses to replace my gross sweaty and/or gu-stained ones). It's almost as refreshing as that flat bottle of Coke just before you head up the Snake River valley. Gives me something to look forward to!

    If you don't have lodging already set-up in the small town of Logan, you're going to have to find it out-of-town. It'll make for an extra early morning, but lots of us end up having to do it. In Jackson Hole, try to get a room in Teton Village which is at the finish line for convenience sake. Unfortunately, the vast majority of hotels on both ends will absolutely gouge you for that night. This is the single part that I hate most about LOTOJA - not the mileage and not the tedious training, but the hotels that raise their rates to MAX just for that one night in the middle of their slow season...

    You're going to do great! Ride strong.

  7. #7
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    Can you camp anywhere in Logan and JH for Lotoja? Are you allowed to swap bikes if you have mechanical problems and your SAG carries your spare? How complicated are the meetups with your sag teams? Is it feasible to change shorts a couple of times?

  8. #8
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    Yes, I'm sure camping is OK in both locations - check out options online.

    For the most part, your sag will trace a different route to the finish line than you. Race organizers have done that on purpose - keeping autos from running over bikers. On the few parts of the race route shared with sag support, it's an amazing never ending stream of sag vehicles. In fact, you can be DC'd if your sag violates the route. Therefore, race organizers have numerous sag vehicles on the course. I used one for a fresh wheel when I went down in a chain reaction crash. I was lucky to have a sag directly behind me, but you may end up waiting for some time.

    I haven't read the rules for quite some time, but if you're not truly competitive I'm sure just about anything goes at your sag supported feed zone stops, like replacement wheels, bikes, etc. It may not even be a violation. For what it's worth, the vast majority of riders - regardless of the class they register in - are on a "riding picnic" racing the clock and not for a podium position. IIRC, the winners finish in ~9.5hrs and are way, way out ahead of everyone else.

    Changing shorts is technically possible in a yucky port-a-potty if you want to wait in line and even attempt such a thing in there. The feed zones are a mini mass of humanity: support crew looking for their riders and vice versa including the occasional slow speed crashes with riders pulling in and out without paying attention. In addition to food and water, your sag needs to bring fresh clothes, spare bike parts and a pump to each stop just in case.

    Like an earlier post, have a simple plan with your sag for each of the team supported feed zones: same general locations, flags, signs, etc. However, keep in mind that your sag has to hustle from stop to stop so take it easy on them (and another reason that an extra slow rider can throw a serious monkey wrench in the system ... making your sag wait and wait for the slow rider such that they may not make it to the next feed zone in time for the faster riders in your group ... a real concern).
    Last edited by Johnny Rad; 05-26-2013 at 09:43 PM.

 

 

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