I'm not knowledgeable about horses except I am instructed by dearie to never get behind a horse closely when they aren't aware of you.

He owned several horses for a few years before he met me when he was a part-time farmer with some cattle and pigs too. (He is a dedicated cyclist now and for a long time.)

Today I dropped by a community gathering for a free pancake breakfast with sausage and brown beans..there's several all over the city each day for next 8 days.

I chatted up with a guy at the eating table, who told me that though he enjoyed driving, he found it easier to get around on bike since he lived downtown. Sort of a cowboy hat enthusiast (and Johnny Cash country music fan) but has travelled in different parts of Canada.

I think one just has to find the positive way to talk up with folks who are part way supportive about cycline but still enjoy driving lots. All around us at the table, everyone else complained about the congestion, expensive parking: really these folks have not experienced living and driving in Toronto!