Harassed by the Private Fuzz

[pardes]

I'm mad enough to bite nails in half.

I stopped by PerformanceBike today to get a new double set of flashing tail
lights added to the bike now that the days are getting shorter.

I pedalled out and across the street to the Christiana Hospital where I was
going to catch the DART 33 bus. (It originates at the Christiana Hospital on
Sundays).

I was almost to the front entrance of the hospital on the circular drive when
the Christiana Hospital Security car stopped me and informed me that bicycles
are banned from Christiana Hospital Grounds since it's private property. He
added that "what if you are in an accident?" I could make NO sense of this
since it seemed to also apply to motorists and not just bicyclists.

I'm 63 riding legally with all the right safety equipment and then some and not
an adolescent kid with no helmet riding on the wrong side of the road and
causing problems where a security officer would be right to intervene and
suggest they obey the laws.

I tried to suck it up and just assume that he was being efficious and not just
rude but when he said, "Now turn your bike around and go back the way you came
and go all the way around the hospital on the highway." That's when I realized
it was a POWER TRIP.

Since a bike is now my ONLY form of transportation does this mean that I can't
ever:

1. ride my bike to a doctor's appt at the hospital
2. ride my bike to visit a patient
3. ride my bike to catch the DART 33 bus that stops there

This is RIDICULOUS!

Does anyone one the law on "private" property and bicycles? Can they actually
BAN bicycles?

Other than writing to the hospital administration for clarification (and cc'ing
Deldot and the News Journal) how should I proceed with this?

[witeowl]

Were you trying to ride on a pedestrians-only road/sidewalk/whatever, or would cars be able to drive where you were?

If it's the former, I hate to say that I'm not quite as upset. (Although I did ride a bike across campus when I attended uni.) If it's the latter, I'd be absolutely pissed, and would see it as potentially unlawful discrimination. I'd throw every resource I had at them.

[pardes]

No, no. I was completely legal riding on the road going in the right direction at at leisurely 8 miles per hour. Yes, I'm ready to fry their bacon over this.

[ny biker]

Okay. (a) Do they also ban pedestrians, since what if they were in an accident? For that matter, what if someone drove to the hospital and then slipped and fell getting out of their car? and (2) If I'm going to be in an accident, I might as well do it in front of a hospital, that way the doctors will be right there to help me.

Anyway, now that I've got the sarcasm out of the way, were there any signs stating that bicycles are prohibited? Where I work, there are signs prohibiting skateboards and stuff like that in the parking garage. If bikes are not allowed at the hospital, it should be clearly marked.

Also, is there any cycling advocacy group that you be able to advise you? Either a regional group or statewide? If not, maybe someone at the League of American Bicyclists would have information that could help.

Good luck.

[pardes]

I just posted to the local bike advocacy group. No, there are no signs banning bikes.

[Tri Girl]

Oh I'd be furious and jump all over that one. Private property or not, if that's their policy it needs to be stated very clearly with signs everywhere. And does the bus company know about this policy? If not, get them involved too since it hinders their passengers from catching their bus. Maybe they move the bus stop just off hospital property.
Grrrr... that makes me angry right along with you.
Power trip indeed... report him (especially with the assumingly condescending tone when he told you to "now turn that bike around and go back the way you came." OMG

[Jones]

I would ask to speak to the security supervisor or hospital administrator. I think security guards sometimes try to do too good a job.

[jobob]

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Hey there Pardes, welcome back !!!

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[redrhodie]

Well, if you really want to change the policy, why not stage a protest?

edit: Peaceful, of course!

[pardes]

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Hey there Pardes, welcome back !!!

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Howdy Howdy! It's good to be back! Haven't missed a day of bike commuting in 14 months!

[maillotpois]

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Hey there Pardes, welcome back !!!

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Right!!! Welcome back (to us at least!)!

And I'd be pretty lit about that also. Idiots.

[Mr. Bloom]

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Hey there Pardes, welcome back !!!

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She's Back! She's Back!

...and, yes, I believe they can do this, but I also believe that just the least amount of PR buzz can/will cause this to change.

I would encourage you to:
- register your complaint in writing to the hospital CEO using some buzz words that the local advocacy group can provide you.
- go ahead and make this an issue with the local media...it might be a VERY interesting story to a reporter with an attitude.

And finally, don't wait so long before you check back in!

[smilingcat]

I pedalled out and across the street to the Christiana Hospital where I was
going to catch the DART 33 bus. (It originates at the Christiana Hospital on
Sundays).

I was almost to the front entrance of the hospital on the circular drive when
the Christiana Hospital Security car stopped me and informed me that bicycles
are banned from Christiana Hospital Grounds since it's private property. He
added that "what if you are in an accident?" I could make NO sense of this
since it seemed to also apply to motorists and not just bicyclists.

So let me understand something clearly here... The security guard stopped you on a private property and you could not access a public transportation which originated from the private property??

Well this should be quite interesting reading a headline from a local paper, "A 60+ year old woman was denied acccess to public transportation by a security guard at such and such hospital". What a great PR that will be for the hospital.

I think a peaceful demonstration at the hospital is in order.

Even though it may have occured on a private property, the fact is that the public transportation system is using the said property as a public stop. This would indicate a de facto public access and not withstanding the rights of the private property...

If you don't get a nice apology from the hospital administration, I think a call to a lawyer may prove quite interesting.

yes be mad!! GET EVEN!!!

[crazycanuck]

*waves* PARDES!! Yooooo Yooooo!!!

I hope the private sec fuzz dude gets a slap accross the head!

[Selkie]

Sounds like a cop wannabe asserting his perceived "authority." I have nothing against private security guards and there are a lot of good folks in that line of work. However, I've seen this sort of attitude before on the part of a handful of them.

Sorry you happened across this person.

Welcome back. I've missed you!