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Newbie here,.....Ok, I want to commit this year to bike riding...thinking of selling my Trek 6000 mountain bike (never seen a mountain!!) and getting a hybrid or road bike.
What magazines do you subscribe to that caters to women? Or at least a magazine with consistent good info. This forum is awesome by the way so maybe this is the magazine I need!!
Thanks!
Sandy
I sub to Bicycling, which has a quarterly Mountain Bike magazine. I like them both.
If I were you, I'd just get on the MTB and ride it, and not worry too much about getting a new one. It's always better to do it NOW than wait until everything's perfect. "I want to commit..." is indecisive. Just get on the bike you have and ride, girl!
The MTB is fine for roads or wherever you want to go, until you really find your niche. Besides, what if you ride a little and then stop again? Then you'd have a perfectly new road or hybrid bike in the garage that's not being ridden. Love the one you're with! ;)
Karen
I subscribe to Bicycling also. It's not really women's specific, but has some good info.
Tuckerville, I have been riding the bike; it has not been sitting idle...I have "committed" but I understand where you are coming from. Thanks for the support. It makes sense to figure out "where" I end up prior to any new purchases. thanks for the wise advice.
I will check out the mag....may not even need it thanks to this forum...
Sandy
I borrow Bicycling either at the library or at work. I tried getting Dandelion (bloom in the wild) which changed it's name to Women's Adventures or something like that. They tried, but it really lost steam after the first few issues and now it's more of a fashion magazine.
Same thing happened to Women's Sports and Fitness after it got bought by Conde Nast. (fashion mag, then it collapsed)
I've loved Bicycling magazine since I was in my early teens. It's a good one, make sure you look it up. Read a few copies at the library before you subscribe. They also have a website.
Pro Cycling
Cycle Sport
Bicycling has gotten a lot fluffier and addier but then this last year it seems to have made a turn for marketing to "regular riders" and I really liked the spread they did on urban riders who commute on Huffies because that's what they can afford, and heck, they did put my picture in the "sex issue" in 2004 (however, since it was a little blurb on the Illini Chill ride, I was wearing more clothing than all the other people put together... my boss said it was "a little frigid!").
I also like the Road Bike Rider weekly newsletter & one of these days will switch to "premium" - http://www.roadbikerider.com/ - they send out a weekly blurb that's a lot of fun and has some good factoids and stories and news.
I also really like http://www.adv-cycling.org/ adventure cycling - it's more toury stuff and long distance adventures than youthful sprints.
ROad Bike Rider is great. I have the premium and there's a lot of good info on there.
We subscribe to Bicycling Magazine. I like their reviews, although some of their equipment is out of my price range. They did like the Trek 1000 road bike which I just purchased, though! (and it is a great entry level road bike! I love it!)
We also receive Adventure Cycling. I like their annual issues on equipment and all the tour stuff. I'm originally from Southern Idaho and went to school "up North" and have been to Missoula many times (I don't think I can spell it, though!). When my husband and I retire, we hope to do some of their LONG tours!
I'm finding that there is more and more information geared toward female cyclists....more than even a few years ago. Maybe we should start our own magazine and gear it ENTIRELY toward women!!!
Lorie
Bicycling is not too bad (much better than Runner's World for the fluffiness factor in my view... boy they underestimate a runner's attention span).
I like Her Sport (women spec.) but I can hardly ever find it in stores. I got an issue as a gift for Christmas, if I find another one I might subscribe. Good substantial articles.
I subscribe to Vélo Mag, Québec's cycling magazine. It's impressive for such a small readership...
Is this Velo by the same publishers as the one that comes out in France? They have great stuff. I wish you could get international cycling magazines (French at least because it's all I can read!) here in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grog
Nope! It's edited by Velo Quebec, which some know because of its involvement in the development of the Green Way in Quebec (http://www.velo.qc.ca). It's the "holding" of cycling in Quebec (they have the magazine, organize the Tour de l'Ile, Montreal's equivalent of the Five Boros in NYC, have a travel agency, play an advocacy role, coordinate the Green Way, etc.). They also edit "Geo Plein-Air", our outdoors magazine.Quote:
Originally Posted by maillotpois
You can check out their web site: http://www.velomag.com/velomag/accueil.lasso
they have some of the columns online.
Also check out http://laflammerouge.com/ if you are interested in pro racing and want to read more about it in French. The guy that publishes this site is a legend...
I used to subscribe to Bicycling, but was unhappy with some of the content (yeah, I'm a prude :rolleyes: ) and all of the equipment articles and ads (I realize that's how they generate interest and $, but I don't see myself buying a $4000 TV to watch the Tour De France or gazillion dollar bike shoes). BUT, I did like recent article about those who MUST ride bikes b/c they cannot afford a car, bus fare, etc. As an elected official, it gave me insight to those who may be in the same situation in my community (and maybe I can do something about bike lanes, trails, etc.)
I subscribe to Her Sports and like it. Informative articles.
Bicycling, Outside Magazine, Women's Health. Outside & Women's Health aren't cycling specific, but they have some cycling stuff. I honestly do not have time to read them all though!
Bike mag addict checking in ...
My favourite is Cycling Plus - a UK magazine, and far better than any I've read (including the US Bicycling - too many ads).
It appeals to the average Joe/Jane Bloggs - but has more of an emphasis on road bikes than MTB.
http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/thismonthsmag.asp?id=59
Others include:
Cycle Sport
Pro Cycling
Cycling Weekly (UK)
Bicycling (Australia)
I have had a few bike mags but nothing compares to this site for info!
That may be the understatement of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by betagirl
I am *this* close to cancelling my subscription. I used to really enjoy it, but find that I enjoy it less and less. I find it fluffy (on the whole) and also the epitome of male-centric cycling culture, from the ads to the content. But, I love reading about the bikes. I think I might cancel and just pick up the buyers guide at the store.
I find myself wishing there was a Bicycling Magazine just for women, by women.
Thanks everyone for this thread and the input...I feel hopeful that there are other options!
Have you gals noticed the number of ads in the back pages for "performance enhancing" widgets, but for performance in bed, not on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfish
:eek:
Oh, I noticed that too. Made the mistake of pointing it out to hubby who had to check out the website. I was not impressed. I have only been reading the magazine for a few months and was enjoying it so far, but haven't seen the stuff you ladies are talking about...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grog
I was going to ask if there were any women's cycling magazines. Guess not..
barb
Yep, and some of 'em are good products, too! ;) I just don't know if I want to send my ten year old niece to a sports magazine to see that where advertising is concerned, it is virtually always the picture of the womanQuote:
Originally Posted by Grog
bent over in some way. It's not just the sexual content, per se, it's the one-sided nature of it.
But, below is a post I made to a different thread (Bibs) because some other advertising stuff came up there. This is a little OT, but I kind of expanded my thought. Curious to know how you all feel.
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You know, I was just reading and posting to another thread (about bike magazines). My comment was that I used to really enjoy Bicycling Magazine, but enjoy it less and less, and might drop my subscription and just pick up the buyers guide once a year. I find it to be very male-centric in its content and advertising.
I've been puzzling over this shift in my enjoyment...wonder if anyone else has experienced this? You know, I'm a heterosexual woman raised with all brothers in my family, I like, generally respect and enjoy men. I don't think I'm prudish, I like sex and enjoy joking, etc. Even like sexy pictures and innuendos, if that's what I'm specifically looking for (as opposed to looking for, say, bike clothes). And, lately, I just feel more and more discouraged about the biking culture, about companies' offerings, etc.
The thing about bikecove.com, and some other company/publication offerings is that I want to be able to send my young nieces to publications and so forth in an effort to introduce them to a sport that empowers and supports them. I have no interest in trying to shield them from the existence of healthy sex, etc. But does a company really have to name its bikes The Handjob, The Playmate, The Hummer? (And, I do support free speech and free enterprise, so I guess there's a market, or they wouldn't exist.)
I'm just feeling sad about it lately. Am I overreacting? Anyone else feel this way?
The "Handjob"...are you serious?!!! Good grief! I certainly am no prude myself but sometimes people just use sex in extremely idiotic ways...such as previously noted. The only person who would buy a bike so named is a 15 yo boy who is spending too much time alone in his bedroom.
I wanted to add to the discussion that I too am very disapointed in cycling magazines. Bicycling magazine is just a complete waste of trees and paper, imho. WHY isn't there a good bike publication out there? Every other fitness trend/sport has 3 or 4 magazines, be they good, bad or indifferent. All bike riding has is the bad.
Yes, this site is the best thing going for women cyclists. Are there any journalist's here who are looking for a career change???;)
bicycling magazine
and .....
several local advocacy group mailings/newsletters/email lists
I think there is is a common ground between (some men + sports, especially cycling) and (some men + sex), and this thing is performance anxiety. A discussion we had recently regarding BikeForums and how participants needed to keep bragging about how fast and good cyclists they were touches on to this point too...
So unfortunately since men buy more sports magazine than women at this moment it seems logical to have all that depressing advertising in there.
I love the last page of the Ms. Magazine where they have a "No Comment" section, showcasting bad advertising from various companies with the name and address of the marketing reps. When a marketing department is flooded with letters from insulted potential customers, I think it has some effect on them. I have little hope about Cove Bike, but I definitely watch out more for ads now that you make me think about it, and write.
With regards to Bicycling in general, I also think it would be useful to write. I have a copy right here somewhere (I don't think it's that fluffy), I'll drop them a note.
And by the way there ARE good cycling magazines out there, they are just not American. Other posters mentioned good examples...
Ok this is my "I PROTEST" week. You may do your own experiments and write your own letters, but I hope this will motivate some of you...
sent to: bicycling@rodale.com
Subject: Where are the women??
This letter is NOT for publication, but to be taken to the attention of all editors, and to Sales & Marketing people. Please do something, QUICK.
I paid attention to the photos and drawings of women in your May 2006 issue. There aren't many so it didn't take me long. There is:
ADS:
- the Electra lady lady and her daughters (family values),
- The Michelob Ultra dancing queen (sexual object) and a small drawing of a women on a bike (cyclist);
- The Castelli woman kissing a man (sexual object);
- There seems to be a women in the background of the Sip & Spin ad but she's really small so it's art to tell (and of course she has a big basket whereas the men are racy);
- The Townie kiddo (future cyclist, great!);
- Yogalife Ad p. 99 (Yoga women);
- PacHealth ad p. 125 (runner);
- PacHealth ad p. 127 (runner or ?);
- Adventure guide: three women in Backroads ad (cyclists!); one women from behind in Velowear.com ad (cyclist!), and one women basking in the sun in Dahon ad (just happens to be there or cyclist?);
- Inspire ad: women on strange mattress (sexual object in lingerie);
- Spoil Her ad: women in pajamas (sexual object - this woman is not the reader's mom);
- Challenge ad p. 137 (runner).
CONTENTS:
- Janet Jarman (photographer), Natascha Grief (also see on Mania page, cyclist), and Deb Cosgrove (mountain biker, great!);
- Regina Schleicher and Judith Arndt, in the Fuji add (cyclists, great!);
- NYC transit strike p. 32 (2 commuters, good job!);
- Candy Kugel drawing p. 50 (commuter);
- Girl watching Lizama work, no head, p. 57 (spectator);
- Family picnic, p. 64 (wife and daughter that don't ride);
- Mt. Washington, pp. 66-67, special efforts! (6 cyclists!);
- Housemother Els Dejonckheere in Belgium (housewife);
- Selene Yeager p. 118 ("fitchick");
- Mania p. 136 (cyclist, from behind).
Pretty thin.
It could be interesting to measure the size of the images of women, too, but let's just say that only the Castelli kissing woman, the Michelob dancer and the runners actually use up much space on the page. The women in the Fuji ad are somewhat visible.
I was not even at half of your magazine and I had counted 100 men, most of them in racing positions.
There are STRICTLY NO women drawn as illustrations for the magazine features (outside of ads) and the only female cyclists (besides commuters) we see featured in the magazine are the six women from the Mt. Washington climb and the women on the Mania page.
Also: how many times have you featured a women on your cover page? And in what context?
This is really depressing. When I ride the roads of Vancouver I see about one out of two roadies being a woman, if not more. Isn't it known that women love to shop, too? And that they are into shoes? There is a market out there for advertisers to tap into, there are cycling clothes for women (see http://www.teamestrogen.com/ if you doubt it, and its amazing forums for inspiration). And there is a niche for more female-oriented, or at least female-respectful, contents in cycling.
I find Bicycling really macho, in a sadly unconscious manner perhaps. Please stop featuring only men, drawing only men, writing only about men, and featuring women as either sex objects (awful advertisements in the last pages especially) or, in the best cases strictly commuters/touring cyclists.
Sincerely,
Brigitte Gemme
Vancouver, BC (Canada)
Yeah!!!!! Oh, now I gotta write one, too. Mine will just be short. Your letter is great, especially that you give concrete examples and numbers! Yes!
P.S.
Look how quickly TE moved up the ranks at BikeJournal when we all got involved.... Imagine if we all wrote a specific letter about the content of each issue of Bicycling as it came out?
I didn't even think about the fact that every time the mag uses a pic to illustrate some new technique or something, the biker in the pic is always a man. (unless it's women specific, the default is always male.)
Now I gotta go get an issue to write about so I can be specific with my comments to the Bicycling staff. Is June out yet?
KnottedYet
"every time the mag uses a pic to illustrate some new technique or something, the biker in the pic is always a man."
....and white. I mean it's a pretty specific audience.
What Brandi said, there really is nothing like TE. Is there a publisher in the audience?
I subscribe to Bicycling and think of canceling from time to time. I mainly now keep it for educational reasons. Really!
I've become the building bike SPOC (single point of contact). When they toddle over to my pod "how do I....what's it mean when....why does....." since my work doesn't give me time for a long explanation it's "here, read this".
... unless they draw a "wife" having "picnic" with her riding husband (of course she drove the car...).Quote:
Originally Posted by KnottedYet
And I agree with Trek about the whiteness thing. They had a black guy on the cover recently though... but drawings, never.
Please, ladies, DO write. If not about the illustration or anything specific, just a comment. I'll start paying more attention and finding the addresses for advertising companies too.
I also wrote to Assos (see the Bibs thread), I wonder if I will hear back.
I wrote to Air Canada to complain about something this week and I got a really helpful message back, so I think it's worth it.
So do something. It has some effect, more than we think...
I no longer read Bicycling magazine. I enjoy RoadBike Premium site and occasionaly VeloNews. (they, at least, usually have a small blurb of the women's pro road and mtn biking races).
I agree with what has been voice already about the male-centric "performance--not about the bike" (Lance's new book?? sorry...my sick sense of humor) theme going on.
It would be nice to not always see us portrayed as eye candy or mom's in cycling mags. just my 0.02. o.k., rant over. Thanks for listening!
with all that said: I really like this forum, very helpful and supportive.
From long experience with legislative battles on certain issues, don't write unless you have something unique and legitimate to say. Don't write because everyone else is. If Bicycling magazine read this thread, they would discount a large influx of letters about the latest issue as just an anomoly spurred by this thread.Quote:
Please, ladies, DO write. If not about the illustration or anything specific, just a comment. I'll start paying more attention and finding the addresses for advertising companies too.
What would be better is if subscribers wrote promptly about their opinion of the latest issue and they did it every month--not a coordinated effort but honest feedback.
That's not to say a large influx of letters couldn't make a difference. They just need to be genuine complaints.
Karen
[QUOTE=Grog] Isn't it known that women love to shop, too? And that they are into shoes? QUOTE]
The new Bicycling magazine has a 4 page layout focusing on shoes. I don't have the magazine in front of me, but I don't recall seeing any women's shoes. It kinda annoyed me.
I am quite certain there IS a genuine complaint here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckervill
Besides, Bicycling is NOT a legislating body. It's a magazine trying to sell copies (and advertising space).
If all letters are the exact same (petition-like) of course it can be discarded. At the same time, I know, as someone who has worked in retail and politics, that when I receive a letter from someone who has taken the time to actually write a note and send it, it does have some impact on me, as I keep thinking about it for a while, and may change my actions in consequence. For example, I can imagine a woman (or a man) on the sales team at Bicycling having new ideas about how to pitch her stuff to potential ad buyers. Or the illustrator of Bicycling realizing: gosh, have I really been drawing only men? I doubt that this is a totally conscious strategy on their part. Or maybe it is, but certainly not for all. And if the illustrator starts drawing women instead of men say one out of four times, I don't think the editor will stop him from doing so. And if there already is a woman (or man) on staff trying to change things, a few letters will give her (or him) further weight on the editorial board.
So it's worth trying.
No, I didn't mean the complaints weren't legit or genuine. Only that it will have less impact if there are a bunch of letters all saying basically the same thing in a short amount of time. Sustained complaints over current issues will be more effective, in my opinion.
Karen
I totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckervill
and arriving in my mail today.....Bicycling magazine with special 8 page promotional insert for "Best Life" from the editors of "Men's Health" including the feature "How to Drive Women Wild". According to them the top 3 things we want to hear
1) I can't wait to see you
2) I love waking up with you
3) I brought you something
thought it was
1) I'll do the dishes
2) I love doing laundry
3) I brought you something from the LBS
Trek...I'm sending you a "high-five" on that one!! After reading this thread I got out the May issue of Bicycling and after going page-by-page I was appalled that 99% of the people in the magazine ARE men. I am usually so miffed by the articles they write that I have never paid attention before to the fact that the magazine does in fact totally ignore woman as serious cyclists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trek420
So much for burning our sports bras. :rolleyes:
Grog...you can subscribe to 'Her Sport' at Amazon.com :D
I took a peak at the current Bicyclng magazine and also felt that it was Male oriented. I am a not a racer, etc. Just a rider that wants fitness and excercise out of the rides. I will check out the HerSport. Thanks for bringing that one to my attention.
Sandy
HerSports is also available at www.hersports.com
Grog, thanks for a kick in the butt. I've been thinking of going through my whole last year's worth of Bicycling and doing what you did before writing my letter. I am going to do it. And, Tuckerville, I love your input about simply writing a real, even if brief, letter each month, specific to each issue.
I have also been sending letters to companies like Nashbar and so forth. I am tired of 2 pages of women's stuff inside a whole catalog. I also find it irritating that women's clothes are labelled just that (women's clothes) and men's clothes are not. Flip through biking catalogs, and you see (mostly) when men's clothes are shown, they are not specified men's vs. women's. They would like to imply that non-women's clothes are unisex, except that we all know that if it hasn't been made for a woman, it is designed to work for men.
Someone else here mentioned the Bicycling shoe article. That irritated me, too. The greatest cycling shoes! All men's (and all tested by men), but the article was not called The Best Men's Cycling Shoes. I have also noticed that almost always the bike testers are men. I know that not all women require WSD bikes, and I would like to see more women writing about all the bikes that get test-ridden.
Finally, it irks me that Style-Man gets to be called a man, but it's Fit-Chick and Shop-Girl. You notice it is not Style-Boy and Shop-Woman.
Thanks to all of you for your great input, your alternative publication suggestions (also worth mentioning to Bicycling...tell them who they're being replaced by), and any commitments you make to writing letters & speaking up. And, thank you for being here in these forums!