I'm looking at some Saucony's that have an 8mm toe to heel drop. Is the point of this to strike at the midfoot? Has anybody switched over to these? If so, what were your experiences?
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I'm looking at some Saucony's that have an 8mm toe to heel drop. Is the point of this to strike at the midfoot? Has anybody switched over to these? If so, what were your experiences?
You know, the guy at the store yesterday mentioned those shoes to me but didn't have them in my size.
It depends what you're wearing now. I'm sure you'd notice the difference going from a 12 or 14 mm drop; if your current shoes are 10 mm, it probably depends on how sensitive you are to stuff like that. There's always some adjustment - even two pairs of the same model shoe are going to have slight variations in both construction and wear.
I really really really really wish I could find a shoe with some cushion that doesn't require me to either run on my tippytoes or smack my heels with every single step, but I've come (late) to the realization that fit has to come before everything else.
I started running in Saucony's Stabl CS or a similar show when I started running back in 2007. It's for severe over pronators and has a 12 mm drop and is HEAVY! This fall I decided to try transitioning to the Kinvara 2 - 4 mm drop. I picked the Kinvara because of the reviews here on TE and TE's return policy on shoes. I waited until I was done racing for the season to experiment. :D I had been going around barefoot or in barefoot type all summer - including doing some serious hiking. I did try running in my Merrill barefoot shoes, but decided I needed some cushioning.
I did a few short runs at first in the Kinvaras - 2 to 3 miles and my longer runs in the heavy shoes. I have now switched entirely to the Kinvaras. What I like about them is they force me to run "light". I've always been sort of heavy on my feet, but they helped me to become a "lighter" runner. And I think the bright colors are cool. :D
Veronica
I don't know what level of stability you need, but you might really like the Nike Lunarfly. I've been running in these for quite some time. They are very lightweight, lower profile, but still quite cushy. I alternate them with my New Balance 905s. On paper they are similar (both are lightweight, light stability performance trainers), but the feel is very different. The Nikes feel like a much plusher shoe, but they still don't have bulky heels and have a really flexible forefoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by OakLeaf
They look good, but they don't even come in D width for women, let alone the EE I need. I can (could) squeeze into Nike's Zoom Structure Triax 13 in D width, but I'd love to get away from the huge heel, plus I don't even know whether the current version (#15) fits or not.
I'm trying a pair of Mizuno Inspire in men's EE, which when I tried them in the store yesterday didn't have too terribly much heel slip. They're still really built up and have a pointy toe, but we'll see.
I wear a D, too...that's one reason I like the Lunarflys--they actually fit me really well and have a really roomy toebox (and don't limit me to NB--about the only company that makes wide width performance shoes). I can't wear most medium-width women's shoes. I wonder how the men's would fit. I would imagine that they might work well if you are an EE.Quote:
Originally Posted by OakLeaf
I run in a 4mm drop NB Minimus Trail (wide width, of course!). Zero cushioning, but I like it that way as I'd be running totally barefoot if I could get my skin to cooperate. Transition from a custom orthotic fitted high stability, high drop NB shoe took me months and I wasn't a high mileage runner to begin with...
My husband recently switched from a 12mm drop shoe (a Nike style, not sure which) to the 4mm drop NB Minimus Road version. The Road has more cushioning in the forefoot than the trail does and it suits him well. He wasn't putting in a lot of miles before, so his transition has been easier than it might have been for a serious runner, but he's loving the new shoes. He comments almost every run how he enjoys being able to feel the road and precisely how his foot is positioned, so that he can immediately correct it. This is after we took a Chi Running clinic (which is what prompted his shoe shopping in the first place), so he was already working on improving his form before making the switch.
The NB Minimus Road is on sale at most stores right now for $60 ish because they are replacing it with a new design in the spring. So if you don't mind not being able to keep the same shoe going forward, it might be a nice, inexpensive, low-drop shoe to try.
NB says the new version will be zero-drop. So for the purists (or plantar fasciitis sufferers) for whom 4 mm is too much, it might be worth the wait and the extra cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GLC1968
I thought I read somewhere that they will have both - a zero and a 4mm. But yeah, I'm waiting on the zero for sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by OakLeaf
Just got the minimus trail as my "everday" shoe so my poor low back doesn't have to deal with a heel. I love them. It's like they were made for my feet. I haven't run in them yet and I don't know if I will but I had some gift cards for Zappos and they were on sale so I went for it. Best shoe decision I've made yet.
My road shoes, which I rarely wear, are a 10 mm drop. BUT! I also run in trail shoes with 10 mm drop (NB 101), 4 mm drop (Saucony Peregrine), and 3 mm drop (Inov8 X Talon 190). I pretty much love them all (well, I don't LOVE the road shoes but they are fine...for a road shoe:p) and like to switch it up. And, honestly, I can't really tell the difference between the NB 101 and Saucony Peregrine (other than the Peregrine has more cushioning, which makes it better for very long distances. The NB shoes make me feel really fast, though, because they are so low to the ground and light. Anyway, I digress.) I have some other trail shoes that are probably about 10 mm drop but I dislike them for other reasons (cuff is too high). I also ran in a 6 mm drop Inov8 for a couple of years until they changed the last (so it no longer fits properly--grumble).
FWIW, I am naturally a forefoot runner so my calves are always tight. That's the place where you'll probably notice the change the most as the shoe gets shallower (unless you are like me and have perpetually tight calves). Shallower shoes don't work for everyone. It's not a crime if they don't work for you.
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FWIW, I am naturally a forefoot runner so my calves are always tight. That's the place where you'll probably notice the change the most as the shoe gets shallower (unless you are like me and have perpetually tight calves). Shallower shoes don't work for everyone. It's not a crime if they don't work for you.[/QUOTE]
I suffer from perpetually tight calves as well. Does the shallower drop work better for you or make them tighter?
For me it makes no difference (seems I have a foot in which the bones don't glide correctly, which is partially to blame; we're working on it). But, for many folks, switching to a shallower shoe includes a period of calf adjustment (because the shallower shoe stretches the calf and Achilles more, for lack of a better term). Calf pain is a common complaint when going shallower. For most people, it gets better. I imagine that the shallower shoe will eventually improve calf mobility (for most), but I bet some of the folks on here who have decreased drop dramatically could chime in with their experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selkie
I have never had any calf tightness or soreness issues.
When I switched from a typical stability running shoe (no idea of the actual drop) with custom orthotics to a minimal shoe (started with zero drop Vivobarefoot Evo's), it took me quite awhile to adjust in my calves. For the first few months, I wore medical grade compression calf sleeves for recovery just to be able to walk normally the next day! (I also gave up all heeled shoes at the same time - even for work or dress) It was about 6 - 7 months before all calf pain and/or tightness left me. Now, regardless of distance, I don't have calf problems again (just like before the switch). It is possible that part of my pain came from the move from orthotics to none, and not just the shoe drop issue.
I don't know how the experience would be different for people who do have calf issues to start, but it's possible they could be magnified? No idea...
My calves are typically full of trigger points, but they were LOVING the short time I ran in the Altras. YMMV ... I've heard plenty of stories of people straining their Achilles, etc.
I prefer lower-heeled shoes b/c of my chronic low back pain. But it's really, really hard to land flat foot or heel slightly first (like my PT guy is trying to train me to do) with less heel-toe drop. THAT makes my calves tight.
I prefer a midfoot strike, but he thinks that is causing some other problems, so I am being obedient and doing what he wants for the time being. I went from being able to run 10-13 miles to being able to run about 1 with good form.
Sounds like we have the same calves!
I think I'll try to ease into them---maybe first run in them no further than a mile. See how it goes.
Wondering if our problems come from years of wearing heels? I definitely notice a tightening of calves when I wear my Kinveras.
Yeah, definitely not my problem :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogmama