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What a tool. So he's admitting he's a liar, then throwing his friends under the bus? Who does he expect to believe him?
Guess my copy of "Positively False" is on its way out to the recycling bin...
When all this started, one of the biochemists here on TE said of the resultsWell, ladies, it looks like we can finally rule out that he's a plant :eek:Quote:
...so this either means Floyd is a plant or Floyd cheated...*
*(http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?p=105391 post #10) -- one of my all time favorite TE quotes.
I just cannot understand what possesses healthy people to stick needles into their arms and.... ugh...
Why can't people just compete without all the BS?
This really PEEVES me off! I always gave him the benefit of the doubt. I read the book (but didn't pay retail, just in case he DID cheat). He was so convincing. Even Lance stood up for him.
I had wondered what happened to Floyd. He hadn't been around racing this year. Is this for attention? Money? Another book? Blackmail? Why now?
Not the black eye for cycling we need while fighting the cancellation of state funds for the Tour of Missouri.
yeah really. Glad i didn't buy his stupid book. OR read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekTheKaty
Great timing, too. I bought his book and believed him.
That was me:o
I hate to do the 'I told you so' but I have long given up on the idea that any of these guys are riding clean.
But to me its not just the riders fault, its the fans fault too, and what has become of the sport. They don't blow up those mountains on gu and water.........
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Originally Posted by Thorn
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
(HI NANCI!!! :D )
But you guys know, now I do admire Floyd for speaking out because he is trying to clean up the sport. Better late than never, like the rest of these guys.
OUCH_Bahati is a fairly small team... He was up here in northwest Arkansas the week before last, racing in the Joe Martin Stage Race there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekTheKaty
I bought the book, and pretty much believed it... but apparently even CyclingNews.com and VeloNews have their doubts about the latest story. And there _is_ apparently some sort of book deal in the works here.
wow, there was a Nanci sighting!!
Yes, right Trisk. But he came to our town, and looked into all of my friends' eyes and implored them... that makes me pretty mad.
I disagree. Anyone who keeps on lying and lying and lying while asking total strangers to donate money to pay his legal bills deserves nothing. I just feel bad for his mother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triskeliongirl
David Millar did it right -- confessed immediately and was one of the first big names to join the first team that was built on an anti-drug policy.
And p.s. if DZ needs drugs then Garmin would be the last team he would want to race for.
I agree. He's gotta be getting a huge paycheck for this. Probably an even better book deal; Poor Little Floyd Tells All. Insider's Guide To TDF Doping.Quote:
Originally Posted by ny biker
What she said.........Quote:
Originally Posted by ny biker
Actually, I'm proud of Landis. I believe him when he says that he has to get it off his conscience. He's lately been working with underprivledged at risk kids, and it's my belief that he knows he can do no good with them unless he quits lying. And, trust me, he's about to be crucified publicly. Much like Greg LeMond who spoke out against blood doping and has lost most of his business and been dragged into ruinously expensive lawsuits. I'm proud of LeMond too.
In the AMGEN Tour, Dave Zabriskie is wearing the yellow jersey and Levi Leipheimer is right at his heels. Two of the individuals Landis named. Folks are NOT going to be happy.
This month's copy of Bicycling magazine has Armstrong mentioned 60 times.
There is enormous money behind the scenes: Trek, Oakley, fi'zik, Radioshack...so many others.
Then we get to Lance's work with cancer research and his foundation. And we have to ask ourselves if the good that comes out of blood doping outweighs the bad. Incredibly tough moral/ethical landscape to navigate. But I also believe we MUST examine these issues; you and me, the ordinary people. And I insist that we must inform ourselves dispassionately: read, read, read; examine sources, and think, reason our way through.
On Sunday I stood with crowds in my small sweet town of Auburn as we watched the AMGEN tour race through. I whistled for Fabian Cancellara and team SaxoBank. I had tears in my eyes as I took in all the little children wearing jerseys and helmuts, dressed like their heroes to cheer the race, waving American flags.
Blood doping is the destruction of this sport and will ultimtley turn it into no more than pro wrestling.
BICYCLING MAGAZINE this month has an article about amateurs injecting steroids to win over a pair of socks. (Yeah, I know it's not the socks, it's the ego, but it's a compelling read.)
What gets me about blood doping is that a rider still has to train just as hard, and actually, can train harder and recover faster.
Should r-EPO be legalized? What will it take to level the playing field? Should there be two standards? One for riders who train naturally and one for those who use steroids and r-EPO?
Two months ago when I started to get back into cycling, I started reading and what I found sickened me. Try googling "blood doping, cycling." For once in my life I didn't shy away from what I didn't want to know, didn't want to hear. And this was one of those times I went from being a girl to being a woman. There is doping and it is terrible.
Getting back to Landis who "drank the kool aid," got caught, tried to bluster and lie, and utimately told the truth. Now watch the show as he gets his skin flayed off. Whoosh.
I'm such a coward I'm debating whether I can post this.
As Bob Newhart said, "I make a motion that we face reality."
NOOOOOO I believed him too!!!!! I really really did :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekTheKaty
I checked it out of the library, BUT I still believed him. I am so sad!!!
AMP of course you can post !
Lance could have been a hero without the dope. Maybe he wouldn't have won so many times.
Excellent point. So maybe Landis shouldn't have been stripped of the TDF win. He beat all the other dopers fair and square. He just got caught because he was the winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMP
I do realize that the whole sport is corrupt. I think the public was naive to think they could clean it up all in one year. I believe Lance is innocent, too. I was hoping he came back to prove he could race against all the "newer, cleaner" riders. But maybe it's all a joke on us.
I also experienced a local bike race, where there was a kids race during the intermission. Little boys and girls in their (at the time) Discovery "kits" throwing elbows just to get to the start line. How do we explain that to the kids? I don't know.
I'd go back to Nascar, but they just threw out Jeremy Mayfield. Apparently, there's more than moonshine and "black gold in them-there-hills".
I am just posting again because I am still so upset! :mad::mad::mad:
Another article here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/...BvcnRsYW5kaXM-
"These guys coming out now with things like this from the past is only damaging the sport," McQuaid told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Thursday. "If they've any love for the sport they wouldn't do it."
"What's his agenda?" McQuaid said. "The guys is seeking revenge. It's sad, it's sad for cycling. It's obvious he does hold a grudge."
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Originally Posted by TrekTheKaty
Same way you explain the baseball players. "They cheated because they were greedy and it's bad to cheat."
I worry more about the older kids who play sports and might be coerced by coaches to use steroids or otherwise conned into thinking they should use drugs.
Just got off the phone with my DH who was listening to the Jim Rome show on the radio (I love his show; he can translate ballsport talk so I don't sound like an idiot at any male/female social gathering. Excellent resource when no one lets you talk about horses or bikes. It's a sports call in show.)
Rome said that the wrath has already begun. He's felt it himself just by bringing doping up, not accusing anyone.
I really think that Landis knows everyone dopes, and initally felt that he shouldn't get picked on if everyone does it. Then I think he thought that because he saw how Armstrong has handled all the accusations, he could just keep denying.
His suspension is over. He could have kept his mouth shut, but like David Millar, he had to 'fess. No, he's not the class act that Millar was and he's in for a trouncing big time.
I think he thinks he deserves it. His father-in-law committed suicide during all the hoopla in '06.
There are getting to be many, many suicides and attempts in procycling. I think that these boys start out with the highest of aspirations and then succumb to "everybody's doing it." They can't take the mental pressure.
Be careful about vindicating him for "fessing up". He's had PLENTY of opportunity for that before now - in the middle of a very publicized Tour in the US. In the supposed email (posted on DrunkCyclist), there is a line to the effect that he is trying to write down in a story, everything that has happened. To me, that screams book deal.
Don't get me wrong - I was a Tyler believer for over two years, and legitimately believed Floyd too. I just don't think that he should be let off the hook now - he lied to a lot of people, including his Mennonite parents. The timing and motives are, as McQuaid said, rather suspect.
SheFly
Absolutely. When it becomes more profitable to confess than to continue to deny, confession becomes a business decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
You one-upped me in the cynic department...although I don't at all disagree with your assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenyonchris
But, as long as there is money to be made, someone, somewhere will find a way to cheat.
Lance gives his side of things:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arms...news_headlines
I wonder which reality show he's heading for?
Jonathan Vaughters also commented:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...t-clean_117464
And bikesnob nyc has a nice overview of the whole Landis affair:
http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010...n-all-you.html
I like Bikesnob's suggestion that Landis truly redeem himself by returning all the money. The whole thing sickens me. Honor has been left on the roadside.
wow. I believed him.
It makes me cranky all these athletes who vehemently deny doping for years, then come clean to clear their consciences. If they really wanted to do that, they would have come clean right away.
And I'm probably going to go down with the ship, but I just can't believe Lance doped.
I know it happens. I know it's real.
It's just sad...:(
Loved NY Biker's links. I was so upset about the whole doping thing and went off on an impassioned rant. I totally apologize. After reading the Bike Snob's take and then all the posts after, I just started laughing. Those 'roid boys do talk smack.
Got my perspective back. The world goes on.
I think I was too quick to give Landis credit for 'fessing. Guess my brain was trying to figure some purity here somewhere. Forget that.
Think I'm gonna go play with my pretty new bike and forget all the nasty stuff.
That made me laugh out loud. Thanks! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TrekTheKaty
A year or so ago we had a speaker at our weekly scientific rounds, and it was the chief scientist for USADA. He started the talk out by saying something like - the lawyers have informed me that I am absolutely not to talk to you about Floyd Landis, other than to say that this has taken over my life for the last X years. :) His talk was very interesting, sort of a 'sports doping through the years'. He gave some case reports without naming the athletes. A few of us in the room knew where his chimera data was coming from!
I believed Floyd had doped, however I didn't believe he was a habitual doper. That admission caught me by surprise.
Uh...wow. I'll bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMP
Not for ONE MINUTE do I think he is doing it because he is lying awake at night worrying about his street cred with the poor kids. Sorry if that sounds cynical (more cynical than my original post). His timing, the inflammatory statements, the very poor manner in which he has staged this "confession" and the connected allegations are all incredibly suspect as to the validity of his motives.
To hear the boys from Radio Shack tell it, Floyd is just pissed off because (a) Johan refused to give him a job and (b) he didn't get to race in the Tour of California this year.
Which brings me to my next point -- if you're going to accuse Lance and Johan of something, you'd better have your ducks in a row, because they are smart strategists with plenty of experience handling the media and plenty of good lawyers.
I'm too jaded... Let the soap opra continue and when the credits roll, we may have some thin truth.
Mr. Landis comes across more as a psychopathic liar in which even a seasoned police interogators and trained psychologist can't tell if the subject is telling the truth or not. I asked a veteran narcotics investigator about how to tell if a psychopathic liar is telling the truth or not. His reply was "LOL, when you figure it out, let us know"
soo Mr. Landis comments are non-sequitor at best. I wouldn't lose sleep over what he says.
I never believed him, and I didn't think he was a good liar. But smilingcat is right, Mr. Landis seems to have issues...
The guy has disgraced himself in a very public way. If he's genuinely sorry, he will return the money.
I wonder if his next sporting event will be boxing Tanya Harding? Dancing with the Stars?
I was such a fan of his at the Tour de France and really wanted to believe him. It was a storybook finish and I so wanted it not to be true even though my gut was telling me it probably was. Even last year at the Tour of Missouri, he was one of the riders I sought out after the race and still didn't want to believe it was true. Now he's acting like a spoiled little kid and showing his rear.
Am I just ignorant? I feel so betrayed by him, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and on and on and on. What do we expect, though? When you dangle that much money and fame on a stick, athletes are going to be tempted to do whatever they can to grab it.