First Farrah Fawcett, now it looks like Michael Jackson's died.
And that doctor in Antactica who had to give herself a breast biopsy also died (Jerri Nielsen FitzGerald).
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First Farrah Fawcett, now it looks like Michael Jackson's died.
And that doctor in Antactica who had to give herself a breast biopsy also died (Jerri Nielsen FitzGerald).
yup.
RIP King of Pop. Maybe now he'll finally get some peace. Never really had it in life, seems he wasn't ever able to adjust to life under a microscope (don't think any reasonably sane person could).
The big C is an ugly way to go, Farrah and the Lady Doc. At least they lived life on their terms.
Sure is an odd "3"
sex symbol
sidekick
pop (I was going to say wacko, but after Beth's comment, I can't now :rolleyes: )
So sad. I hope there are some healthy adults around Michaels kids to help them process everything: His life and death.
There's no denying he exhibited some odd behavior and had a far from normal childhood (and father) but with his death you really realize what a spectacular talent he had. it's just sad that it took his death for people to start talking about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsPoet
Watch any music video and you'll see Michael Jackson's influence.
I for one, loved him, Zen. I just played some of his old stuff in my spin class playlist. Always a great beat. And man... could he move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zen
Yea... things about his life, particularly later, were unusual. But, when you are person with such an unusual gift of talent... how could you expect the rest of his life to average 'normal'? (normal = by whose standards?) That's how most ecentrics in history work!
I'm in shock he's gone:(.
What kind of cancer did Farrah have?
Anal. I really feel for all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zen
CA
MJ was planning a "farewell tour" - that would have been HUGE. He's still really popular in Germany and Japan, and I'm sure people would have paid stupendous amounts of money to see him perform one last time.
It's such a shame that the last 10 years or so of his life was so persecuted and away from any creative output. It's a huge loss in the music world.
It was a really weird day yesterday. For us it started with the suicide of one our most popular singers and tv-presentors Yasmine (37). Everybody, but really everybody was/is in shock. She leaves a 2 year old girl behind. She was in the middle of a divorce (since april this year). You could see her loose weight and you could see the sadness in her eyes, but this...
And then a couple of hours later came Farah Fawcett and Michael Jackson.
Apparently anal cancer is quite rare but then Farrah's condition relapsed and worsened, with the cancer spreading to her liver. Also very sad that her son was not allowed out of prison to see her, however, I believe they are allowing him to the funeral..........all a bit late!Quote:
Originally Posted by CA_in_NC
Whatever Michael Jackson did with his life, like it or loathe it, His music was way ahead of the times he lived in.
Such very sad news to wake up to.
RIP
Clock
I also really liked Michael Jackson's music. I'm not much into music and don't follow "stars" at all, but I think it's more that his music represents a fun time in my life. I clearly remember taking my 2 little boys to LaBelles (any of you Zonies remember that store?) and buying my DH the Thriller CD for Father's Day. My now 26 year old son was maybe 5 and he was the one that insisted we buy this for dad; it was the first CD we purchased after we got that new fangled CD player to replace our record player!
I also used a lot of his music in my aerobics classes. The bpm's were perfect and I never had to pitch up his music, which resulted in that chipmunk sounding stuff. Since I rarely knew anything about the artists whose music was on my tapes, this was a major accomplishment for me.
There are so many reasons I appreciate this forum, and one of them is the way you ladies are actual adult humans, and not cats. I belong to several forums, and most of them are ripping him apart.
In the later years, Michael did make me uncomfortable, but he did have an incredible talent from a very young age - if you listen to the Jackson 5 songs, he was incredible at EIGHT! I plan to remember the talent - the sheer musical genius that was Michael Jackson.
Driving home yesterday KFOG was playing lots of old MJ, esp from the Jackson 5 days and from Off The Wall and Thriller. I cranked up the radio and boogied in my seat - I imagine I wasn't the only one. :cool: It was fun yet bittersweet.
It's so sad, in so many ways.
Michael Jackson was so talented, but he never had a childhood and he failed trying to create a childhood as an adult. I loved his music but after a while his strangeness made it difficult for me to listen to him. I just kept picturing his scary face...
I have Thriller on vinyl. I still have it. I think I wore holes in it, playing it so much. I do believe that it's still the best selling pop album of all time.
Poor Farrah, upstaged in her sad death by Michael. She should be getting much more air time than she is. Her death is almost a footnote to Michael's, and that's very sad, too.
I know- what a sad day. :( I didn't know Jerri Fitzgerald died until later in the day (she was an incredible "normal" person like most of us).
I loved both Farrah and MJ. I wanted that feathered hairdo like she had so bad when I was younger. Charlies Angels was THE show when I was a kid (I think it was re-runs when I saw it- but I didn't care). If only I could have been like those butt kickin' women...
MJ was incredibly talented and a real musical genius (I liken him to Mozart and Beethoven in modern times). He totally changed music and seemed to unite people with his music. He also let Weird Al have a good career parodying him (who I love, too). He put MTV on the map and was the real creator of music videos as entertainment. Remember that moon walk for the first time. Woot! Remember "We are the World?"
He had a rough life and hopefully is at peace now- something I don't think he had here on Earth.
I've been watching videos on MTV today. They rarely play them anymore. It brings back such fun memories as a young person. I could never afford the red jacket and glove, but I had posters galore of him in my room.
a few days ago something about him was on TV and I thought along the lines... when will he crack and he'll never find the peace he is looking for.
poor guy. maybe he's found it now.
his soul was gone a long time ago. the machinery around him had been killing it since he was 6 - his genius endured longer. it's surprising his body held out this long.
Am I the only person on the planet that is tired of the news of both deaths overtaking more important issues facing the world today?
:mad:
I can't claim to not have found Michael bizarre & to not have mocked him in the last however many years - but I couldn't listen to Jackson 5 songs (abc 123, whatever), without reflecting on what a pure sweet innocent voice he had (or looks in the pics) and what 40 some years in the public eye corrupted him into.
I was reading the New York times yesterday - and one of the articles on Farrah Fawcett's death really irked me. Well, maybe it was 2 of them... one was about how she'd been very public with her anal cancer and how NBC or CBS (whoever did the tv show on it) had been glad to exploit it... but they'd both missed the real public safety message, which was to get the HPV vaccine because anal cancer is usually sexually transmitted. The second was...."Let's remember Farrah as someone who TRIED" ... she tried to be something other than a sex pot, and she tried very hard. Then it summarized her career & her various efforts at trying to be taken seriously.
Not the only one... I'm just glad for a break from all the economy talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycanuck
But yes, there ARE more pressing issues to talk about...
yeah like people like Madonna "can't stop crying": She's just shopped herself a child from Malawi. Can she stop crying about the other children who die? Obviously with ease.
It's like swine flu. It turns the attention away from the real issues.
I think MJ & FF can have a day or two to be remembered. The economy'll still be there & still screwed up whether or not we pay attention to it, and paying attention to it has yet to result in it actually being fixed.
Maybe she can adopt one of MJ's kids. Angelina Jolie can have a 2nd of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpinerabbit
What other celebrity collects underprivileged kids that can adopt the 3rd?
Not sure all will get a chuckly out of your comment...but I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catriona
Yes, it is sad they died.
Yes, it is sad it is such big news.
But it is, and here some of us are interested!
It is just want of those OMG moments...media stars that have been part of my life for most of my life.
I never, ever could stand Michael Jackson's music except a few things ;) Disco beats aggravate me. Still, lots of folks will be grieving... makes one ponder the nature of idolization... humans are weird in how we channel our energies and griefs.
Yasmine... ouch. Ouch.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I feel horrible for MJ's kids. and Farrah's... But I can't help mocking Madonna and Angelina Jolie a bit...
As for swine flu distracting people from the real issues... It's a real issue that the world is ripe for a flu epidemic and our current system of vaccines, etc. is too cumbersome to really respond to one... And that some of our farming practices are contributing to it.
My mom called to remind me of my 5th birthday party when they hired the Michael Jackson impersonator to "sing" at my party. Then we all watched the Thriller movie.
Great times...
You should listen to this song:Quote:
Originally Posted by Catriona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK26ojnNtW4
It's about the 'new fashions'...
Well I'm not going to rip anyone apart, but I really don't care and I really do resent the front page of my morning paper taken over by all this.
and the Supreme Court ruling on the middle schooler who was strip searched for tylenol in her panties only got about 3 square inches
yeah yeah. Except that it's hardly more dangerous than other strains and that it did not come from pigs. I still don't buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catriona
Well that was probably worth investigating. What was she doing with Tylenol in her panties??!!Quote:
and the Supreme Court ruling on the middle schooler who was strip searched for tylenol in her panties only got about 3 square inches
+1. Let it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycanuck
But I remember it was like this when Elvis died, too.
Karen
I think it was ibuprofen and it's fairly common that new flus originate in pigs... Pigs can catch human flus and avian flus. humans can normally not catch avian flus, but can catch pig flus. Flu genome is divided into 8 different cassettes that are loaded into the viral capsule... if a cell is infected with multiple flus, you get various different combinations of those cassettes into the capsule... thus making pigs fairly important as an incubator of new strains which possibly combine human & avian genes. And one of the reasons that asia is so important for flus... one of those places in the world where pigs, chickens, and humans still live in close quarters.
But yeah, this flu was fairly harmless. However, no matter how harmless it is... they haven't managed to control it, they don't have a vaccine, blah blah blah... so when the next non-harmless one comes along, hopefully they've learned a bit from this.
Odd... you seem to think that our media actually reports and practices investigative journalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irulan
reading a newspaper is an exercise in irritation for me, even when Michael Jackson is not on the front page. I tend to try to get my news at various places over the web to try to counteract that.
I was a little annoyed that the Today show has let the topic monopolize the air this morning. But, it will pass. I still liked his music, despite the weirdness.
There were a few stories about the Antarctica doctor on our local news Wed. night. Apparently she lived here in MA. She had a very interesting life.
Yea, I don't get people "grieving" over celebrities. Things like going and standing outside the deceased's home, lighting candles, bringing flowers for someone you never knew. Of course, a lot of people think I have an unsympathetic attitude toward these things, but I'd say it's more pragmatic. I mean, there's a lot of people I admire, but that's as far as it gets.
I guess they think they know them. Because they think they know everything about them.
I learned about Jerri Nielsen from reading Jezebel, got the full story on Supreme Court ruling from NPR.
You just have to get your news from a variety of sources.
If this flu is anything like the Spanish influenza virus of 1918 (and I do believe that's the current thinking) it will reemerge in a more virulent form this fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catriona
But you have to read science news to know that. The general public doesn't go beyond the home page on their computer.
I just ride my bike & wait for you ladies to keep me up to date with world news.
i think people "grieve" over celebrities because for some they evoke memories, whether they are good or bad.
How many of you have gone to a school dance where they played Michael Jackson and you got to dance with your school crush? Or listening to the Jackson 5 when you were 6 years old and you remember dancing to it with your now-deceased grandfather? it's the memories that are attached to the songs or movies or shows that I think people "mourn". And passing of anyone with exceptional talent is a sad thing, imho. Imagine just what we've been denied when John Lennon died, what we missed and will never know.
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Originally Posted by alpinerabbit
She didn't have any. Being asked to strip down to your panties, pull them open to expose your pelvic are on suspicion of ADVIL, when there was absolutely no reason to indicate that this girl was in possession of drugs ( ie, not a druggie type) is ridiculous and for one am very glad that the SC ruled the way they did, this is taking zero tolerance too far.
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Fourth Amendment Victory in Advil Strip Search Case
Jacob Sullum | June 25, 2009, 12:24pm
Today, in an 8-to-1 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed that Arizona public school officials violated the Fourth Amendment rights of a 13-year-old eighth-grader when they subjected her to a strip search because they thought she might be hiding ibuprofen in her underwear. David Souter wrote for the majority:
What was missing from the suspected facts that pointed to Savana [Redding] was any indication of danger to the students from the power of the drugs or their quantity, and any reason to suppose that Savana was carrying pills in her underwear. We think that the combination of these deficiencies was fatal to finding the search reasonable.
At the same time, unlike the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, the Supreme Court said Kerry Wilson, the vice principal who ordered the search, cannot be held personally liable for the violation because the relevant law was not clear enough at the time. "Because there were no reasons to suspect the drugs presented a danger or were concealed in her underwear," Souter wrote, "we hold that the search did violate the Constitution, but because there is reason to question the clarity with which the right was established, the official who ordered the unconstitutional search is entitled to qualified immunity from liability."
As I've said before, this is the best result that reasonably could have been expected, but I am surprised by the size of the majority, especially since it seemed there was a good chance the Court would uphold the search. The lone dissenter was Clarence Thomas, who has always taken a narrow view of minors' constitutional rights in the context of school and looked askance at judicial efforts to constrain administrators' authority.
Notably, the position taken by the majority is less deferential to school officials than the one urged by the Obama administration. As common sense would suggest, the Supreme Court considered it relevant not only that there was no reason to think Savana Redding had pills in her crotch or cleavage but also that the pills in question did not pose a significant threat to students' health or safety:
Wilson knew beforehand that the pills were prescription-strength ibuprofen and over-the-counter naproxen, common pain relievers equivalent to two Advil, or one Aleve. He must have been aware of the nature and limited threat of the specific drugs he was searching for, and while just about anything can be taken in quantities that will do real harm, Wilson had no reason to suspect that large amounts of the drugs were being passed around, or that individual students were receiving great numbers of pills.
By contrast, Acting Solicitor General Edwin Kneedler argued that the Court should defer to school officials' judgment about the importance of enforcing their mindless "zero tolerance" policy for drugs and find the strip search unreasonable only because there was insufficient reason to believe it would reveal contraband.