ebay alert

So I've been looking for a "deal" on a mountain bike. I am basically a roadie but have had the yen to get dirty and had sold my Jamis. Looked at the Specialized Stumpy, yup, exactly what I want, of course it's 2 grand. Well closeouts are around and the 2010's are coming so I surf. Find what I think is a deal and get this "message" from the seller. "Act now and this outrageous Buy It Now Price" it can be yours... just send me the money Western Union to some guy in London. The price was too good to be true, and I knew I smelled a rat but wanted to see where it took me. This guy gives a sob story on the ad, selling due to loss of job, bike is new, ridden by a 50 year old guy on paved roads, etc... I get an e-mail saying that he will bypass ebay to give me a better deal, however, they use an e-mail page with the ebay logos so you are still "following all ebay rules" and everything is covered. I go to my ebay account and there is no record of this "second chance" offer. Once you go to a bank and send the money, POOF it's gone and no bike. I am so discouraged that people can suck so bad. Beware of this, if anyone is asking for a check from a bank via Western Union or whoever, it's not right! Back to the LBS! I have sucessfully bought and sold on ebay but there's a scammer out there everywhere.

So if I am understanding you correctly, you found the bike for sale on Ebay and started the purchase process through Ebay and then the guy asked you to go around the Ebay payment methods and send $$$ to him directly? Did you contacted Ebay to notify them of this seller/scam. Even if they can't do anything about it, they may be able to add this scam warning to their site so others don't fall for it as well. So are you out the money or do you have some recourse through your bank to track the "rat"?

Update:
Here is a couple of links showing this is a pretty common scam:
http://www.scams.flipshark.com/westernunion.html
Also, if you scroll down through this message board, this scam has been going on a long time. The last post on the message board has a link to the IC3 where you can file a complaint against cyber crime: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=2483

Hope this helps and very sorry this happened to you. Hopefully your warning will help others avoid the same scam

The first bike I bid on was sold for a higher price. The "seller" e-mailsand stated he will accept my bid and will start the "Second Chance" process through ebay if I want the bike. I ask him very specific questions, where is the bike coming from and fresh photos. He provides photos and leads me to believe he is in Tennessee. I get a second e-mail with the ebay logo on the page stating that the seller has accepted my offer and here are the payment rules. This tells me to pay with a Western Union check and he will provide me with tracking information. Thats when I see the bike is coming from London. When I check my ebay account on their home page, there is no record of this second chance offer. I did notify ebay. Very clever with the ebay logo e-mail. Never sent any money, got too suspicious too quickly when he told me he'd sell me an 08 Stumpy pro for $1100 dollars. There are alot of people who also post in the ad "e-mail directly for an outrageous Buy it now Price". Thats how they circumvent ebay but you will never see a bike and loose the money. It really ruins the legitimate seller because the ads start out like it is coming from real people. I am also a police officer so unfortunately suspicious about anyone that tries to change the rules.

Glad you didn't send the money!!!!! Sad how many people got taken by this particular scam. You would think Western Union would try to do something to stop these guys from using them as a gateway for their crimes.

Change your password immediately. That ebay screen was likely fake and if you had typed in your password on that screen or even linked to it from their email, to find the 2nd chance offer, they now have it.

This is a classic ebay scam. I am a frequent (and satisfied) ebay buyer and I only bid on items I can buy with PayPal. PayPal's protection is very "Buyer" oriented...

I talked (e-mailed) ebay and this is a classic scam. Fortunately I never gave them much that isn't public record, and the first request came in my suspect e-mail through earthlink, which is now spam. I learned.

You even have to watch when you are a seller... we had a guy try to scam us when my husband sold a motor scooter on ebay. He had the winning bid, but wanted to do some crazy deal with the payment (pretty sure that had to do with a cashiers check too) and wanted us to ship the thing out of state. We'd specified Paypal and local pick up only on our auction, so we refused to honor his winning bid and turned him in.

It's just amazing how crazy this stuff can get. I have decided to pay the extra amount for the new 09 stumpy. I alerted ebay and they flagged this guy.

This isn't Ebay but there are creeps, weirdos everywhere. I use Craigslist a lot and have some pretty funny offers. My only purchase was a very successful mountain bike transaction which I was extremely pleased with, most of my sales have gone well including the kitchen sink I sold! But the trash in the middle makes it tiring.

1. To buy my wedding dress for 2x the price, ship out of state and take cashier's check. Ha! That is the exact thing CL has to beware of.

2. The creepiest/weirdest was a guy offered me $100 to model formal dresses I was selling but not by the dress. I was disgusted, these were in the clothing not "erotic section". I forwarded him to the CL people but nothing came from it. I was still grossed out by the thought!

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Originally Posted by Eden

You even have to watch when you are a seller... we had a guy try to scam us

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Was he by any chance a Nigerian prince?

I may have told this story here before...but scammers have always existed...even the creepy ones, Ama! :)

In 1986 I put my baby's crib and baby clothes in the paper to be sold (free want-ads in the Arkansas Democrat at the time!). A "woman" called and pretended to need the items, but as it came to be clear, "she" was really a he, and wanted to talk about b'feeding in a really weird way. It was pretty gross. And I was at WORK! lol.

Karen

Karen that is pretty disgusting!

I forgot about selling my commuter, someone wanted a picture so I took one not paying attention to the window behind it. Then I posted it on the CL ad. Mind you I was FULLY clothed but you could see a reflection of my mid torso down. I got some real weirdos wanting to talk to me about me, not the bike. I forgot there is this whole group of people who take photos like that, posting "hidden" nude shots on ebay and such.

So I took down the photo and just emailed photos to seriously interested people. :rolleyes:

Welp, I just got off the phone with my credit card folks 'cause I made a ten dollar donation to Mike Bentley online for his site with all the Illinois and Midwest bike rides... and bingo! right afterward, 2 charges for 400, 800 bucks for musical instruments.
Will take a week for the stuff to work its way through... but just so happens that yesterday I activated a new credit card... I'm thinking of (snork, *after* this little road trip ;)) getting off the credit grid entirely and being a "cash on the barrelhead, son" person.

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Originally Posted by Eden

(pretty sure that had to do with a cashiers check too)

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Here's how it works:
- they send you a cashier's check for too much "by mistake"
- then, they ask you to send them a check for the difference along with the product
- then, about three weeks later, the cashiers check comes back to you as counterfeit
- but, your check back to them has already cleared

You're out the sold item and some real cash...

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Originally Posted by Mr. Silver

Here's how it works:
- they send you a cashier's check for too much "by mistake"
- then, they ask you to send them a check for the difference along with the product
- then, about three weeks later, the cashiers check comes back to you as counterfeit
- but, your check back to them has already cleared

You're out the sold item and some real cash...

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Yeah - it was a while ago, so I don't remember the details, but it went something like that - he wanted to send extra to have it shipped out of state by rail or some such nonsense. We were to cash the check and send some back to him to arrange shipping or something really stupid like that. It was pretty obvious to us that it was a complete scam. He got a bit snarky when we told him that he was not honoring the terms of the auction by A. paying by paypal, as we'd specified that as the only type of payment we would take and B. asking us to ship out of state, when we'd also specified local pickup only, but he sure didn't try to debate it once we'd turned him into ebay.

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Originally Posted by Geonz

Welp, I just got off the phone with my credit card folks 'cause I made a ten dollar donation to Mike Bentley online for his site with all the Illinois and Midwest bike rides... and bingo! right afterward, 2 charges for 400, 800 bucks for musical instruments.
Will take a week for the stuff to work its way through... but just so happens that yesterday I activated a new credit card... I'm thinking of (snork, *after* this little road trip ;)) getting off the credit grid entirely and being a "cash on the barrelhead, son" person.

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Bad week here too!
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Last Friday my bank called to verify some strange charges for like $300. We compared lists and there were like 5 fraudulent charges made exactly that morning. Strange because I had purchased some repair parts in the morning using Paypal which should be safe.
Turns out that someone used my credit card # to purchase newspaper subscriptions in Florida (and of course that's not where I live!) and, can you believe it, online dating! oh well, on second thought I guess it makes sense that a thief cannot find a real-life date and needs to go online...
Anyway, I had to waste half the day taking care of this nightmare. I really hope the police find those people, whoever does this kind of stuff should be put away for a while!

The credit card theft is crazy. I just had another card hacked for musical instruments and online clothing. This is my forth card in about two months. I have turned into a cash mule. Pay day I go to the bank and get money out. Everything is paid in cash. I am actually consolidating debt and closing alot of credit card accounts. It's so bad here, that the police dept. has a cap on charges of $10,000, anything under that doesn't get investigated. I did get a call immediately from the card about the charges so that helped.

Last year our account got stolen from Paypal (DON'T STORE NUMBERS) and we spent $400 making calls from the UK. Seeing as how I don't have a passport I wonder how I got to England? After some calls, a notarized form and a new account number Citibank erased all the charges.