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Glad to hear the patdown wasn't too bad. I'm leaning towards doing that instead of the backscatter if I get picked for that the next time we fly. I'd rather face a couple of minutes of embarrassment than risk my health for something non-essential.Quote:
Originally Posted by pll
Pll, you're welcome and I'm glad that you had a TSA agent that was respectful of your modesty. :)
Here's another letter raising concerns about the backscatter devices. This is written by Rep. Holt (D-NJ) who is a PhD physicist:
http://holt.house.gov/images/stories...11.19.2010.pdf
Do you suppose these machines and the aggressive patdowns will be gone by summer? I really want to go to Hawaii, and I get motion sick on the stationary Blood Mobile, so a cruise really isn't an option.
Roxy
Well, most big cruise ships have stabilizers, so chances are you wouldn't have too much of a sea sick problem. My mom took ginger on her cruise, it helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by channlluv
It's starting to sound like not everyone has to go through the machine or the pat down, some just go through the regular metal detector. Or am I reading it wrong?
That's what it sounds like to me, but I don't think you get to choose. I assume you'd need to be prepared to deal with the machine or the pat down.Quote:
Originally Posted by snapdragen
More info on the x'ray medical issue, a pretty good article:
http://myhelicaltryst.blogspot.com/2...y-scanner.html
I flew "home" to visit Family
At LAX(Los Angeles International) , They were just using the metal detector (They did have the Backscatter machines there)
Lil'old Cape Girardeau doesn't have the Nude-o-Scopes yet. I did have a note in my checked luggage that it had been searched by the TSA.
I've been through various airports eight times in the last ten weeks, crossed the U.S, the Pacific and the Atlantic, with and without my bike. I haven't come across anyone or anything that I considered rude, annoying or violating. I only got a pat down twice, and both times, they were non-obtrusive and the agent was extremely polite.
The only annoyances were people who did not know of the TSA carry-on regulations, thus holding up the lines.
Did the TSA thing yesterday.
The pat-down was no problem at all. Standard pat-down just with a lot more detailed verbal explanation before each touch, and attention to the legs than usual.
The poopy part was the "Opt Out" 3-ring circus.
I was directed to the x-ray backscatter, and politely said I couldn't do it. (I did not offer to display my collection of cancer scars, but I was ready to.)
Dude running the metal detector and backscatter in my lane hollered out "WE HAVE AN OPT OUT" and that got repeated up and down the 5 lanes that were running. "SHUT DOWN THE BELT. WE HAVE AN OPT OUT."
They directed me to stand right where I was, shut down the x-ray belt my stuff was on, the TSA folks on the lanes either side of me made all the passengers pick up their stuff from my lane and duck under the lane dividers and get into new lanes, all the while saying "I'm sorry, we have to start you over because there's an Opt Out in your lane." One woman glared at me as she struggled to carry 2 bins of stuff and fold over double to duck under the divider. I told her I was sorry.
I felt like sh*t.
It took a couple minutes before a female TSA agent could come get me. She removed my stuff from the stopped belt (wouldn't let me carry it) and brought me over to the pat-down area. Once I was removed from the lane, they started the belt up and let passengers enter the lane again.
After the pat-down, I asked her what I could do in the future to prevent an entire lane from being shut-down and other passengers behind me having to pick up their stuff and move to new lanes. She told me there really wasn't anything else, and that I was fine.
Some airports I've been in have the special needs lanes/slow lanes at the TSA check point. I think in future I'll just go straight to that lane (if there is one) to avoid the total lane shut-down I cause just by asking for the frisking option.
Oh wow, that's too bad, Knott. I think they should just have an "opt out" lane. Maybe in time they will as it would be much more efficient for everyone.
You know, I think they purposely make you feel embarrassed as punishment for not going through their porn tube. There are so many filed complaints of passengers who were belittled for opting out. I'm glad that you stood your ground and did the opt out and that your pat down was conducted in a professional manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnottedYet
Excellent source of information and links for filing a formal complaint against TSA:
http://wewontfly.com/
There's a class action lawsuit that's been filed against TSA. Hopefully it will result in the removal of the gropers and scanners from our airports.
I agree, and that's nothing new. It's the same reason elderly people, particularly elderly women, have been profiled all along for more intrusive searches.Quote:
Originally Posted by sundial
But that's another thread...
I flew out of DC a couple weeks ago - there were machines but they weren't using them. Same with flying out of Fort Lauderdale yesterday.
I would have opted out if they wanted to use one. I find the entire thing ridiculous, especially since the machines can't find anything in cavities or anything - so really... what exactly are these machines doing that a metal detector & some sort of explosive sniffing dog or swiping machine couldn't do? But I love traveling too much to decide not to ever travel again because of them.
Re - motion sickness in cruises - I get motion sick, but most especially when I don't have fresh air or wind - so if I stay on deck on a cruise, I don't have much problems with it. I make sure to get an upper level room because it's down in the bowels of the ship that I really have issues.
My mom had an interesting experience in an x-ray backscatter machine a couple weeks ago.
She has a lot of scar tissue UNDER the skin of her belly from decades of insulin injections. (no visible scars)
The backscatter radiation penetrated below the level of her skin and reflected off those subdermal scars, setting off an alert on my mom. She got a pat-down of her torso before they would let her through.
There's a bit more penetrating radiation in that procedure than we might think.
Knot
thanks for starting this thread and sharing your experiences (and those of your mom!!!)
Even though I am not an incest survivor, nor a cancer survivor, I am pretty unhappy about the aspect of getting zapped by their machines as well as getting groped by a man or a woman. I am not sure why I am supposed to be comforted because the groper is guaranteed to be the same sex as me. Why is that less intrusive?
I used to look happily towards my next flying experience, I first flew in 1957 and then intercontinentally in 1964. Sadly, I find myself wanting to avoid ever flying again.