This is slightly OT, but relevant. Patrick Smith, a pilot who writes for Salon, points out that many airport workers with access to aircraft aren't screened at all.
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This is slightly OT, but relevant. Patrick Smith, a pilot who writes for Salon, points out that many airport workers with access to aircraft aren't screened at all.
It's not the modesty aspect of the backscatter x-rays that bothers me, it's the radiation. I have been exposed to more than my share of x-rays over my life, so it worries me to possibly raise my cancer risk by being exposed to more. I'm not at all worried about someone looking at my body image in a remote location. After a screener has seen a few hundred folks' x-ray, I'm sure my body won't look particularly interesting to them.
Not sure how I feel about having a pat-down. Sounds like they vary widely in how "intrusive" they are. I feel for the man with the urine bag, and women who have had to remove breast protheses; and I completely get how those who have been sexually abused could have problems being touched in this way. I am not sure I believe stories about tampons being removed! As I understand it, the pat-downs are supposed to be outside the clothing. I am sure I wouldn't enjoy being touched that way, but it might be preferable to the radiation, as any embarrassment would only last a minute or two, vs. radiation, which is cumulative.
I'm just not quite sure what I'll do the next time I fly if I have to make this decision. :confused:
The interesting thing is that other countries don't go to this extreme or are this intrusive. So on an international flight into the United States, you won't be groped. That's what really gets me, the differing standards. Remove your shoes, belts, and be exposed to x-rays or be groped to fly in the country, OR fly in from another country and stay dressed, less exposure to radiation, and not be groped.
Someone needs to come to their senses in Homeland Security.
Or maybe I need to discover the joys of train travel. :confused:
That may depend on the country. Flying into the U.S. from Amsterdam this year, I had to be interviewed, go through the total body scanner, and the pat down (and so did everyone).
I still think we should look to Israel for security procedures. I hear El Al is one of the safest airlines to fly and that country certainly has constant security threats.
The last time I took a train out of Philly they had cops with bomb-sniffing dogs all over the place. It was much more intimidating but much less of a pain than flying. However, I guess a knife or a gun wouldn't do as much harm on a train as a plane since the engine is pretty difficult to get to.
My dad works for Amtrak so I am well aware of their difficulties keeping to a schedule (primarily thanks to CSX) but it would be nice if this could encourage everyone to find a way to make rail travel reliable in the US! (And completely off-subject, I've always wanted to do one of those scenic railway trips across Canada...)
Just another reason not to visit the US...
Found this today http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11834185
I'd love to fly El Al, just for the security experience!
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We live in an age of paranoia...
Some people are paranoid about suicide bombers, and some people are paranoid about the government -- here's a comment from the above-referenced comment thread on Fox News' website:
The airport was the pilot project. Then come the trains, the subways, government buildings, public buildings, the library, the schools .... Each time it is an x-ray scan. Every individual will have many scans every day. The dose adds up. As a consequence, there will be many people who will become unable to have children. They will use fertility services, which the government taxes and regulates. The government will eventually insist on gene-designed babies, because the gene pool of the population at large has been too damaged by the scanners ... Brave new world!
I guess we each choose the version of reality that seems to us closest to common sense. It's astonishing how much this differs between us, though.
I really don't have any more problem with getting scanned at the subway than I do at the airport. If I had children, I would have no problem with the requirement to vaccinate them in order to enroll in public school -- and this is very much the same thing to me. Public safety, like public health, requires a critical mass of participation in order to be effective.
Thank you....
I flew from Orlando to San Diego on Wednesday and all the news reports literally had me fighting anxiety attacks. I actually called the airline twice to ask about scanning and pat downs and were there any ways at all to avoid them. I was ready to go buy a used Prius and drive home instead of putting myself and my 12-year-old daughter through the trauma (and yes, to me, it's traumatic, and I'll tear the place down before I let anyone lay hands on my daughter). We've driven cross-country together twice, just the two of us, and it's a fun trip, so that was actually looking like a good alternative, but I didn't have time to shop, really, because our flight was the next day.
I got to the airport three hours earlier than normal because the local news had shown long lines at security and when I called the airline, that's what they suggested. I was even expecting long lines to return the rental car.
When we arrived, there were no lines anywhere. We drove right in to rental car return and were handled right away. We walked in to the ticketing/baggage check building and I was expecting long lines there, too, and at some airline counters there were average-looking lines, but no mobs. At the Southwest counter, there was absolutely no one ahead of us. The lady checking bags was leaning against the computer stand with her arms crossed over her chest. I breezed up to her and asked, "Where's the crowd?" She laughed and said, "You're it."
We checked our four bags and continued around to the first TSA checkpoint and here's where I got nervous -- would I have to stand down some TSA supervisor, explain why I don't want any strangers touching me or my daughter, and that I'm a cancer survivor, too, and don't want to go through the AIT machine -- but there was no line here, either. We walked up to the first checkpoint stand and there was one woman walking through just ahead of us. She joked with the guy about there not being any big crowds and he smiled back and laughed with her, and I said I was just thinking the same thing as he checked my ID against the boarding pass I'd printed out at my mom's house. He waved us through to the next pair of agents who were directing people through to the various scanner machines.
I had to let them know I was traveling with my father's cremated remains. This older man nodded and ushered me to a line with hardly anyone in it and told me to let the agent there know, so I did. I started unpacking my laptop and my daughter was doing the same, putting our shoes and purses in the bins, when the next agent, a woman, came up behind me and I said, "I was told to let you know that I'm traveling with my father's cremated remains."
She said she was sorry for my loss (seemed sincere), then said they had to put a coin under the case for the purposes of the x-ray machine, so she actually helped me get our bags situated in the bins and put a coin under the bag with the remains in it and as we were walking through the metal detector, the guy at the end had taken the bag with the remains in it (they were in a Mason jar, still in the plastic bag from the crematorium -- my stepmom's doing, and totally in my dad's style, and I'd wrapped that in a soft-sided insulated lunchbag) for further swab testing. I told him he was welcome to unpack the whole thing if he needed to, but he declined and gave the bag back to me.
And that was it for security. No AIT machines, no pat downs, nothing that the news had made such a big deal of. We took the tram to the terminal and there were no crowds there, either. We had two full hours to go before our flight, so we had some lunch in the food court and then we walked down and got settled in the wi-fi chairs near our gate. I let the agent there know, too, about the remains, and apparently that gets you a pre-boarding pass, so we were the first ones onto the plane, too. Go figure.
We experienced the same thing in Denver during our 1-hour layover. No crowds, friendly airline personnel.
Absolutely no drama whatsoever. No invasive anything. They were actually all very accommodating and even seemed like they were all in pretty good moods in spite of having to work on the worst travel day of the year.
Why didn't I get THAT on video and post it on YouTube? I wish I'd thought of it.
Roxy
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Those are cute, but obviously anyone who goes through the scanner with radiation-blocking garments will have to be groped.
Roxy, I'm really glad you had a good experience this time (and hoping I'll be able to travel one more time before things get really nutty), but I'm pretty sure that right now they're using profiling to select people while the technology is being rolled out, the intent is that eventually everyone will have to be either irradiated or groped. :( I wasn't able to verify that on TSA's website - but I'm 90% sure I've read that in reliable sources -
If Homeland Security was really interested in ending terrorism in the skies, they would adopt the procedures the Israelis use in their airports: enter a booth, scan for explosives and detonate.
That's really not nutty, though, is it? If you were in charge of security, and you had the ability to screen each and every traveler without huge compromises in efficiency, wouldn't you do it? If we could figure out how to screen every package, I'm sure we'd do that too -- we just don't have the resources and infrastructure to make it possible yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by OakLeaf
My sister flew El Al perhaps 15 years ago. She was 17, between her junior and senior years in high school, and going to Israel as part of a church group to participate on a Harvard-sponsored archaeological dig. This was back in the security dark ages when you could still say goodbye to travelers at the gate... But not at El Al. Travelers were checked for ID and tickets at the outer door to the terminal, and friends/family were not allowed in. I remember my parents having a fit... Anyway, my sister reported that everyone was interviewed individually in a private room -- mostly focusing on whether or not anyone else had had access to their bags. I don't remember if there was a pat-down or not -- if so, it didn't leave a strong impression on her -- it was the individual interrogation that really stood out. As far as I know, she wasn't "profiled" or singled out -- everyone, or perhaps all non-Israeli passports, had to go through it. It's sort of an interesting approach -- apparently Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) was almost not permitted on the flight because of his erratic actions. It's possible that behavioral profiling might be an effective tool. For me, it raises quite a few more concerns about "the police state" and the possibility that justice might not be applied evenly than scanners do, though.