Vino positive!!!

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07-25-2007, 09:04 AM
Running Mommy

sigh...

Watching the end today (no I won't spoil it) I had to wonder "Is HE clean??" All I can do is pray that my boy Levi is playing by the rules. I really believe he is, but these guys are cracking my trust.. sigh..
Yeah, I felt like crying yesterday too. And I'm not even really a Vino fan. Just the whole mess!
07-25-2007, 11:28 AM
BikeMomma

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Originally Posted by IFjane

"bad doping result?!?!?! Today's l'Equipe is reporting that an as-of-yet-unnamed rider has tested positive for testosterone, following last Thursday's stage to Montpellier. We have no information on who that might be, so we will not speculate. There were eight riders tested that day, in case you're wondering.
Robert Hunter (stage winner)
Michael Rasmussen (yellow jersey)
Maxim Iglinskiy
Erik Zabel
Lilian Jegou
Cristian Morini
Kim Kirchen
Patxi Vila...

The UCI
will be making an announcement later today regarding the reported testosterone positive from the 11th stage last week."

It's Cristian Moreni of the Confidis team. The team is being allowed to stay.
Here's the story: http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/new...s/12930.0.html

He's denying his right to a B-sample, so that's as good as an admission. :rolleyes:

~BikeMomma
07-25-2007, 11:41 AM
Zen

Boonen is p.o.'ed
07-25-2007, 11:56 AM
alpinerabbit

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Originally Posted by Eden

Any molecular biologists out there? I was just thinking about the flow cytometry test and with the way it is done I was wondering if a high white count or the presence of antibiotics could yield a false positive. I have heard that Vinokurov's knee is infected.

Show me a description of the test and I'll try and find out. I am a molecular biologist but have not seen articles on the method.

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Originally Posted by zencentury

It is unimaginable how they can do this day after day. They did it in 1903 without doping, if a rider has any moral standards and a true love of the sport for sports sake they wouldn't do it. I just don't get it, they're not exactly making pro football salaries.

a) in 1903 they already knew how to use alcohol, cocaine, even strychnine.

b) because they are not making enough money in a couple years to retire for the rest of their lives, they are desperate for wins.

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Originally Posted by zencentury

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Originally Posted by HappyAnika
I should add that I think Floyd was framed simply because he's an American.

I posted something awhile back (and it ticked someone off) that said "I blame the French"
I don't entirely blame the French on this one.

Yeah it ticks me off too. Yes the lab screws up, others do too, but come effin' on.... JUST because he was an American? V is Kazakh, Chicken is danish, and Contador is spanish. So frame them all so a French guy can win....?

Doping is in this sport like a cancer and it has been for the past 100 years.....

Edit.

I checked out the method.

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Briefly, the test uses a panel of antibodies against many (>10) red blood cell (RBC) antigens. When any of these antibodies reacts with the RBC antigens ..... the idea is that the presence of the RBC antigens varies in any population of humans and thus a homologous transfusion can be detected in a person receiving one unit of blood

So the antibodies are specific for red blood cells. white blood cells due to infection would not skew the result and frankly, if his infection was that strong, he would not be winning time trials. Same for Antibiotics. They don't react with the antibodies in question.
Could V claim chimaerism like Tyler H.? Apparently, one out of 8000 normal people and 8% of twins are chimeric. But this is something that every rider could have been tested for on his own free will after the H. case.
07-25-2007, 12:06 PM
bikerchick68

WOW... that article with Boonen is something else... he throws down Rasmussen as well... said he believes Rasmussen is doped too...

yeah, Boonen's quotes are BEYOND PO'd...
07-25-2007, 12:53 PM
Eden

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Originally Posted by alpinerabbit

Could V claim chimaerism like Tyler H.? Apparently, one out of 8000 normal people and 8% of twins are chimeric. But this is something that every rider could have been tested for on his own free will after the H. case.

If he makes that claim then IMO it would be very stupid - at least some of his tests should have detected something wrong, not just one. It would make more sense to be like Lance, don't try to make up crazy excuses, keep your cool, keep quiet and wait for the B sample. If he knows the B sample will yield the same results he should just out with it and confess.
07-25-2007, 01:01 PM
alpinerabbit

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Originally Posted by bikerchick68

yeah, Boonen's quotes are BEYOND PO'd...

He'll shut up when he's caught too.

I don't believe he's clean either, none of Quickstep, which used to be Mapei, and they've found incriminating evidence from the Mapei era.
07-25-2007, 01:40 PM
smilingcat

Witl all the bad news, and hoping its just a bad nightmare, I'm taking a break and taking a snooze.

Smilingcat
07-25-2007, 01:47 PM
jeannierides

SmilingCat, thanks for the laugh. I needed it!:p
07-25-2007, 02:11 PM
short cut sally

I watched the re-caps last night, with every so many minutes the new flash of Vino and the whole team withdrawing was a bummer for me. I made sure I got up to watch the 630am start today so I could get caught up. I was up at 5, (anticipation was getting the best of me) did some housework, then got on here to see and read all the updates before I watched it. SHould've gotten on here last night so I wouldn't have to had to get up so early, got just as much if not more from you gals than I did from the announcers this am. I will see what tonight brings, I only watched the opening, as Dh and I watch the tour nightly.
07-25-2007, 07:01 PM
Zen

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Originally Posted by alpinerabbit

b) because they are not making enough money in a couple years to retire for the rest of their lives, they are desperate for wins.

I doubt even Lance made enough money from cycling to retire on tour/cycling winnings. Even if a rider is well known they'd still have to do endorsements, clothing or sell some type of coaching program to make a living.
07-25-2007, 07:30 PM
Kalidurga

The Jambon Report for Stage 16 over at dailypeloton.com is a good one. Locutus makes a good case for all of us fans to continue supporting cycling as a sport, despite the crap that's happened in the last two Tours.
07-25-2007, 07:38 PM
Starfish

So what do you all think of Boonen's suggestion that dopers get a lifetime ban?
07-25-2007, 07:46 PM
Kalidurga

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Originally Posted by Starfish

So what do you all think of Boonen's suggestion that dopers get a lifetime ban?

Phil Ligget's also suggested that in the past. I think that if they were to go to such an extreme, they'd darned well better get some more reliable test protocols in place. I think the idea of permanently banning someone when there's any question of their innocence would not be right.
07-25-2007, 07:54 PM
Zen

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Originally Posted by Starfish

So what do you all think of Boonen's suggestion that dopers get a lifetime ban?

That's a tough one and everyone is going to answer using their own values/morals/justice scale.

[edit- After reading Tam's post I want to preface my answer by saying it takes place in fantasy land and there's no doubt about the validity of lab results]

Part of me wants to say that everyone deserves a second chance and there was pressure from someone in team management to dope. They didn't go to the drug store and ask for a bottle of EPO.

Then there's the part of me that channels Nancy Reagan and says 'just say no". They weren't tied up and injected.

Maybe a "two strikes" rule.

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