never had one, but it sounds good!
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never had one, but it sounds good!
Lemon, Lime, sometimes Orange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grog
snap loves her citrus. Plus, I get that vitamin C, so it's healthy, right?:rolleyes:
What are caipirinha and caipiroska?
(Sounding suspiciously like Danish "snaps" to me!!!)
Brazilian dear, Brazilian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
Caipirinha (kai pee ren yah) is a Brazilian cocktail made from cachaça, limes, sugar, and ice. In Brazil, it is served in most restaurants, and is considered a characteristic drink of the country. Its simplicity and tangy sweetness have made it popular all over the world, and it is considered by the IBA[citation needed] to be one of the 50 greatest drinks of all time.
The word "caipirinha" is the diminutive of "caipira". Although the word itself can be either masculine or feminine, the drink is referred to in the feminine in Portuguese, and thus could be translated as "little caipira (country) girl".
A caipifruta is prepared in the same way, replacing or complementing the lime with any other fruit (always fresh, never juices). Popular fruits include passion fruit, kiwi, lemon, pineapple, and strawberry.
A caipiroska or caipirosca is a caipirinha made with vodka instead of cachaça, and is also a popular cocktail in Brazil.
What is cachaça? I already love the drink- I can tell- I love lime.
It's distilled from sugar cane. More cut and paste:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
Cachaca is Brazilian liquor made from distilled sugar cane juice. While rum is distilled from molasses, cachaca is distilled directly from the juice of the unrefined sugar cane. Before distillation, the juice ferments in a wood or copper container for three weeks, and is then boiled down three times to a concentrate. Cachaca is always distilled in such a way that the scent of sugar cane and inimitable flavor typical of rum are retained.
No... I was not referring to long-term riders with the reference to beginning riders... someone in this thread - and I forget who - made reference to herself being a beginning rider...Quote:
Originally Posted by SadieKate
Yes I know 13 1/2 mph can be damn fast - I too know what a head wind is like, and what nasty hills are like.
I suggest you go back to my post - I implied slow averages may be beacuse one is a beginning rider, or because one is a recreational rider (and yes, to many, riding a 600k to complete it is recreational, riding it to have the fastest time is a different motivation).
I also implied by my post that the same rider has different averages for different reasons on different rides.
Trying to suggest that to complete is a good enough reason.
Trying to suggest that to measure oneself against oneself is the most useful measure of increasing fitness.
Trying to imply that an average means nothing without knowing the variables involved.
I'm not reconsidering what I wrote, I stand by it.
I am sorry if it was clear not enough.
OMG, 5000 miles! WOW!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
I just got my road bike a little over 2 months ago. I've just got around 300 miles in. I was a little disappointed to realize that 5 years of riding my hybrid didn't prepare me for my road bike like I would have thought. But I'm getting better, little by little. I look forward to being able to manage longer rides (so far, my best is 25 miles. I will be excited to break the 30 miles I had ridden in previous years on the hybrid.)
You average almost 100 miles/wk.
I say again, WOW!!!
:D
Jen Jen, I'm curious! What were you hoping for, and what did you find in making the change in bike types? A little over two months ago -- that's about how long I've had my bike, and that was just a couple of weeks after ski season ended, which means that for much of the country roads were just getting civilized and warmth was beginning to return -- were you coming off a winter hiatus maybe and having to build strength again because of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jen Jen
Seems to me that Nanci recently wrote about riding in Florida? If so, she's got an "eternal summer" advantage over some of us (unless she traveled there to do that ride!) Not saying that 5000 miles is easy to find time for, but it's probably easier to log that many miles if you can ride year round!
Karen in Boise
Yes I live in Florida! It gets cold here in the winter, though- 20's- enough that I am pining away for real winter cycling shoes. But I did keep my cycling tan all winter.
Everyone is free to move here!
Jen Jen, you'll get there! The road bike _wants_ you to ride long! Ride a couple nights a week, if you can, and a longer ride on the weekend, and increase that ride very gradually- 2 or 3 or 5 miles at a time- making sure you're eating while you ride because soon you're going to get into the time range where you use up your energy stores. My longest ride on road (not trail) a year ago was 37 miles at a Century. A person can make enormous progress in only a year!
Nanci
Hey Karen, I too switched from CRoss to Roadbike and it is one HECK of an adjustment. The gears are different on the two bikes so i had to re-learn where they were (still learning) the posture is different. I am being fitted by a local shop; i've been there twice and need to go back again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
It's fun to ride a really fast light bike though.
Hit that point yesterday! http://www.tinklebelle.com/Smilies/images/wave.gif I did my very first ride on my road bike almost two months ago and Tiff and I did our longest ride (51.9 miles) yesterday and even though I've heard the women here preach about proper nutrition and hydration on longer rides, boy...does it smack you upside the head and become VERY REAL when you're out there. Thankfully it was a lesson that we won't forget...one energy gel and a Luna Bar is not enough food while riding 50 miles and hills! We should have stopped when we came out of the canyon and back into civilizathion like we had planned to originally, but instead we just pushed on and decided to stop and eat at the end of the ride. The last 1/4 mile I thought I might have to get off and walk and my mental alertness until I got some food in my body was pretty crappy. Won't be doing that again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
Dark Orchid,Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadRaven
Thanks a lot for putting this thread back on track at least for a little while. Obviously there is bad weather and bad hills, different bikes that we can all talk about all day long. But average is average. I hate riding when it is windy because I get pushed around too much, I am rather small. If I rode only hills I would never get this average. But let's just assume that we are talking about ideal weather that you have in your area, both hills, flats and declines. That's what I was talking about - the average ANYWHERE for an average cyclist is 18-20 mph. Maybe I get this speed because I don't drink alcohol or coffee at all. May be it is normal competitive nature that I have. Yes, when I see someone in front of me, whether it is a strong rider or a grandpa on a tricycle, I will chase this person, and could succeed or fail misarably. And btw, I have full respect to them no matter who they are, because they are riding. The most important thing is enjoying what you do and hopefully improve.
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Originally Posted by Lenusik
Lenusik;
I'd like to know where you got this statistic.
Lots of people don't drink alcohol or coffee (me) and i can assure you it doesn't make me a fast rider, give me a break.
Some of the faster riders in my club drink way too much.
here's some info from a scientific study that suggests the average speed is 15.5 mph:
http://www.walkinginfo.org/task_orde...ap14/sect4.htm
Similar to motor vehicle traffic, bicycle speeds on uninterrupted facilities are not affected by volume over a large initial range. It is recommended that 25 km/h (15.5 mi/h) be used as the average bicycle running speed for the combined bicycle facility procedure. This speed falls within the range of speeds from previous studies as reported in the Bicycle Literature Review Section of the Research Report for this project ( Rouphail et al., 1997 ).
This is a good article that speaks of some designated cycling fascilities. I am lucky to have a very long stretch of the road that does not have any intesections. Maybe that what helps me. I can go at least for 10 miles or more at a time without stopping unless I chose to do that. And I have a several hills on the way that are about 1-2 miles long. So, maybe we should start talking about average speed per certain distance.
I was going to type out a reply, but this guy says it all. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...yMama/gaah.gif. Oh wait...I think he sums it up too. http://www.smileypad.com/v221/Angry/Bang-Head.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Lenusik
don't bash your head Brandy. If the average bike speed was really 18-20 miles an hour, the Seattle to Portland bike ride would NOT be a two day event (It's 200 miles and relatively flat)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandy
I also find that statistic interesting - Frankly, an awful lot of *bicycles* don't go that fast for far without falling apart (since it's supposedly "anywhere.")
THinking about it... 18-20? That's butt-kicking fast for an average. Take a survey online of bicycle club ride rankings, and see where "18-20 mph" fits. Oh, those aren't "any" riders, "anywhere," either - they're bike club members, so forget all the putzers out on their three-speeds. Go on a big invitational ride... go 18 mph. Compare the passers and the passees.
I suppose that one statement puts everything in its perspective... must be riding in a different "anywhere" than I do. In that anywhere, 13 is slow. For the rest of the world - come on out and join us! It's a "level 2," here (though I confess, it's July... most of our Level 1's are there by now.)
Ride Classifications
All rides are listed according to guidelines that include pace, distance, terrain, etc. Note that helmets meeting CPSC, ANSI, or Snell standards, are required on all Cascade Rides.
All riders are expected to ride safely and be ready to ride at the start time.
Please choose from the following classifications for a ride that suits your skills and energy level.
Pace
Easy: Under 10 mph
Leisurely: 10-12 mph
Steady: 12-14 mph
Moderate: 14-16 mph
Brisk: 16-18 mph
Strenuous: 18-21 mph
Super Strenuous: 22+ mph
Note: for rides described as HILLY, consider choosing a pace one step down from your usual comfort level
Besides conditions, I really think the emphasis needs to be on ride length too. I'm sure I could hold an 18mph average over a time trial course - something like 10 miles. No way could I hold that on a century. When people post their averages without their total mileage, the number is useless.
Hey - I did an 87 mile ride last week with an 18 mph average. Unfortunately, it was mostly downhill! I don't consider that a true average!
Does 50 miles with average of 18.4 with 2 hills 8 and 9 miles respectfully and about 5-6 shorter (about hafl and mile to 1 mile) count?
I must admit, I am not as consistant as it sounds. If I don't get enough sleep or the food was not right the day before, or I have head wind, or my saddle hurt like hell, I may not be able to fo faster than 17 mph. But if everything is fine I can hold over 20. If you have some sort of disbelieve, please, you are more than welcome to come and ride with me and my friends. We will host you, provide you good food, find a good bike for you, and even take you on those hills which you think are "flat". Maybe you will find that riding with a good group is not all that bad and people are quite nice.
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Originally Posted by Brandy
yeah, what she said...
t~
I'll be on my way now to riding an apparently very slow metric tomorrow... but having a great time none the less.
You are still really missing the point here. The only thing you can tell from watching your average speed over your familiar route is whether or not you personally are improving. As far as how competitive you would be against others it doesn't mean diddly. You still seem rather intent on putting down those gals here who ride much longer distances at slower speeds than you can achieve over 10 miles. Your devotion to this is almost comical. You might be quite surprised to find that many of these women that you are putting down for riding slowly are twice as strong as you when put on a short flat course. They have the base miles and are strong - they just do different types of rides than you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenusik
Also,in the end what you can do over 10 miles is just that - even if you had everyone there with you and we all rode the same course and you won all you would prove is that you have a good 10 mile TT. Could you complete a 400KM brevet? Could you do a week long self supported tour carrying all of your gear? Could you keep up with an agressive pack in a road race? Could you take a good corner in a crit? Maybe you could do all of these things, but maybe you might just find that even if you could beat everyone here in a 10 mile TT, that Nanci could tear the legs off of you over 400KM, Denise could run you ragged on a tour, and Caligurl could kick your butt on a day with 10,000 feet of climbing.
If you really think you are that great I encourage you to go and try racing. You'll find out very quick that its not about average speed at all. Its about tactics and bike handling and team work and a myriad of other things, with speed being just a part of it. Being the stongest helps,but it's not always what wins the day.
I forgot the another VERY important point, and that is drafting.
If I'm in a big group, I can easily ride at 20 too. I actually did a little experimenting on a very long, straight stretch of road (from Alamosa, CO to Salida, CO - just a very, very slight uphill grade, but not enough to be even noticeable) Riding by myself, I could push it to 16 mph. Tucked behind my rather thin boyfriend, we could up it to 18. Add just one more rider, and we could hold 20 for quite a while. Got behind a great long paceline, and we were holding 23-24mph for an hour. But, after 40 miles of this, when I dropped back, I could only manage 14-15. So many factors are involved, that trying to set a generic '13mph is slow' statement is just impossible.
The only way to know would be to put us all on the exact same TT course, no drafting, and at the exact same time, so the wind wouldn't be a factor, all on the same bike, so weight wouldn't matter.
Where are you getting that I am counting my achievent over 10 miles. I said that I have a 10 miles strech of the road that does not have intesections. This helps to maintain rythm and speed. it does not mean that all I do is 10 miles rides. My week day rides are between 25-30 miles. And my weekends rides are about 50-60, or insted I may just do hill repeats. Sometimes with a group or with my husband, or just alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eden
Another point. I am not trying or even thinking about putting anybody down. The only person who can do that is yourself. I don't mean You, but it is what people chose to do to themselves. What I am saying is there are way to improve if you want, it is all possible. I want to improve, and I am the only person who can choose to do that or not. So, please, understand that if you are in your comfort zone, then why even worrying about what I say. Do, whatever you wish to do. I am not putting anybody down by sharing that I tend to ride a bit faster and that there are other riders who ride way faster than I do. I hope that Tour de France cyclist do not put anybody down by having an average speed of 35 mph after a 100 mile ride.
Lenusik
your statements about how fast YOU ride are not the problem. It's the ignorant comments about what constitutes a "normal" bike ride or "normal" bike speed that I find galling.
You apparently do not understand what average means.
I understand it very well. I think that this discussion should be over because verybody will keep thier own opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mimitabby
I am glad though that everybody here likes cycling.
to coin a "phrase" from bikeforums: +1Quote:
Originally Posted by mimitabby
and the "attitude" that comes across in the posts...
Well put Mimitabby, yes Lenusik - its not that you've shared your speed - its your attitude that anyone who is not doing your speed is somehow below par and not trying hard enough. I'll say it again - your average speed means little to nothing in comparison to others, unless you are riding the same course under the same conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by mimitabby
Common, we are all in the same sport, getting out and doing it for ourselves! Why do we need to argue about something so not important. Who cares who is faster, rides longer, has more endurance, etc? The most important thing is that you get out and ride, no matter how long, fast, uphill , downhill, mountain, road, cross, hybrid, tricycle, unicycle...... If you want to improve- then just doing, otherwise sitting on the board and compare youself to others is POINTLESS. Remember, the time you spent here on this thread could be used outside doing riding!
:D
I am pretty sure that online discussion forums are not the best place to judge anyone's attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by caligurl
Again, I am glad that all of us made cycling a part of our lives.
Well said, I wish I didn't have to be at work now.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNewbie
I think you've captured the moment beautifully! But I have to add this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandy
Enough already! 18-20 is NOT average for most people!!! Especially when we are on normal rides and not riding a race. How many times do we have to say that weather, road conditions, terrain, fitness level, bike, reason for the ride, etc. play into how fast people ride??? Averages are generally useless. Lenusik - you are insulting many of us by telling us we are slow. Don't you get that? Or don't you care???
I have had it - I'm done with this thread!
You seem to be pulling these numbers out of thin air. Just out of curiosity, I checked the Tour de France web site to look at the average speed of the winner on each of the stages so far this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenusik
The prologue was the fastest stage (from a speed kph/mph standpoint), but it was also very short at 7.1 km (4.6 miles). The speed? 51.4 kph or 31.9 mph.
Of the other stages completed so far, stage 2 was the slowest with a speed of 40.775 kph / 25.33 mph over 228.5 km / 142 miles, and stage 6 was the fastest at 45.308 kph / 28.153 mph over 225 km / 139.8 miles. Let's see, fast professional racers riding in a pack and drafting off each other. Yes, they are moving very fast - and while there are some hills, these are the sprint stages, no mountains here. Most of us couldn't come close to their speed given the same conditions.
Your statement that the TDF riders are averaging 35 mph makes me really question your numbers - especially given that they didn't come close to this speed even during the short prologue.
--- Denise
Oh, sorry for using the word "average" refering to the riders of the Tour. They certainly produce that speed at a certain point of the stage. But you just prooved with your numbers that they ride faster than any one of us after several days of very long miles. So, does this put anybody down?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeniseGoldberg
Sorry, I am done here. i was tryign to do this a little while ago. My apologies for disterbing peace.
no.... true... when you ONLY say how fast you are... you aren't putting anyone down... it's when you make the comments:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenusik
or when you say the top 25 on a list of over 150 people is some sort of average? (the MAJORITY of people on that list didn't ride the speeds of the top 25... and MORE rode more like 8 to 10 mph! the TOP of ANY list is NOT the AVERAGE!Quote:
Sorry girls, but 13-15 mph sounds really slow to me. I was riding faster on the first days of my ride.
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Please check the average speed of the first 24 riders. This is a pretty standandard goal that an average rider may want to consider.
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All I give is averages for anyone in any situation.
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That's what I was talking about - the average ANYWHERE for an average cyclist is 18-20 mph.
lol... actually... no... not in my case... i'm stuck at work... what better way to spend time than on cycling (or fitness) forums!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNewbie
i NEVER give up my ride time for forum time!
http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/84.gif
that bears repeating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishdr
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ATTITUDE
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Originally Posted by tprevost
OH OH OH! and i'll be riding a very slow century! i'll be sure to take lots of pics along the way to share with anyone who cares to open the thread and see them once i post them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if i'm lucky... hubby will slug along with me! i love when he rides slow with me! http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/156.gif
:D Caligurl, I meant that particular thread, unfortunatelly i am also stuck at work, but i am going to a real fun party tonight, lot's of martinis and god knows what else. So, i am all excited sitting at work and counting hours till i get home and start staring at my outfits for about an hour trying to choose what to wear