Sky king; I see what you mean by using a shop that knows what it's doing with sizing. Touring bikes fit differently than road bikes or race bikes. I did a lot of research before buying my LHT frame and talked to a guy who toured to figure out what I needed before I purchased my frame. Built it up myself and as far as I can tell only made one "sort of" mistake. I should have used shorter cranks. I was using parts I already had lying around though and used what I had. I rode 2000 miles this summer on them and they are OK just think on a longer tour shorter cranks would be more comfortable.