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This is a very interesting thread and it seems to fit in a little with the book Im reading at the moment - Affluenza. It talks about lots of different areas in our lives and mentions the fact that Americans earn more than before but are not as happy because they have less free time. Pick up a copy if you get a chance its a very interesting read.:)
That is how I feel! I've worked and/or (sometimes both) gone to school non-stop since 18. Now at age 44 I think I'm just burned out on work. I want a chance to play before it's too late or I'm too old to play hard. (It's funny that you used the word play because that's a word I always use). I want to ride my bike, play racquetball, go backpacking, skiing, etc. I have all the gear already so most of the expense is already covered. I just feel guilty talking about taking a significant cut in pay to have a no-stress 9-5 job. (A part-time job would be even better.) :D Especially since I have a DH who has worked so hard his whole life. He is 56, was a pilot for 23 years, retired, went into mortgage banking, then insurance claims and is now one of the top supervisors in the state in his field. He is now at the point where he is about ready to retire. He doesn't understand. I guess I'm just glad to know I'm not the only one fed up with the rat race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robyn Maislin
Wow, what a great topic. I was ready to quit my job a few years ago. I moved to a town I didn't care for to take my job, worked too many hours and too many holidays with no social life, and could see no redeeming value in my life whatsoever. I ended up taking a personal leave (4 wks) instead, did a volunteer vacation and spent some time traveling by myself. When I came back I had a better attitude. Now I work about 3/4 of the schedule I had previously (luckily I have that option at this point in time, which I didn't have before). I try to set aside money when I can so that if I ever decide to quit, I'll at least have something. My husband doesn't always understand, but I pay my half of the mortgage and the bills, so I tell him to button it. I'm glad I didn't quit, but I couldn't have continued on the path I was on without a break and without backing off the schedule. My life still isn't utopia, but it's better than a lot of peoples', and I am thankful I have it.
I don't think it is wrong to use the word play! When all of my friends who didn't work had their kids in preschool with mine, they did a lot of "playing" when their kids were at various programs. Perhaps, if I had taken time off when I was younger, I wouldn't feel this way but like you said, I don't want to wait until I am too old. And, I am almost 10 years older than you. I feel that I have had a very nice, "socially responsible" career, but I am taking a deep breath before starting the "treadmill" in 2 weeks.
Please don't think I'm beating up on your thoughts here, but I have to hop in.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtbdarby
Before starting Team Estrogen, I was a vice president and commercial lender at a community bank. I specialized in small business lending - SBA lending in particular. Your reasons for wanting to start your own business (ie. be your own boss, more control, less stress, spend more time with family...) are the same as many of the clients I worked with at the bank.
Did you know that 4 of 5 small businesses fail in the 1st 5 years?
I think it's because many people start businesses wanting just those things, without realizing that you RARELY get those things when you start a business. What you actually get is long hours, more stress (no one else to fall back on), less time off (who else is gonna do it if you aren't there?), less money (because nascent businesses need capital to grow and rarely produce any good cash flow when just getting started), no mental break (since small businesses are usually started in your home and you tend to find yourself drifting in there at all hours of the day and night when work needs to be done), etc.
Team Estrogen is now more than 8 years old. I have a 7 person staff, a rented warehouse that is busting at the seams, and a 12,500 square foot commercial building under construction. At the end of 2004, Jeff & I took our first vacation in 4+ years. I work far longer hours than I ever worked at the bank, and 12 hour days are typical. And usually one weekend day to boot. I have no children, no pets and no house plants. I couldn't possibly find the time to keep any of them alive.
I often receive emails from folks, especially women, asking me about how we've succeeded in growing our business, and looking for advice on how to grow their own. And I've mentored several small local businesses, especially in their first year or two. But I always make sure they truly understand what they are getting themselves into, and ask them to take a long hard look at what exactly they think they will get out of it.
Sure, you can own your own business and put in far fewer hours than I do. But most people can't work those kinds of hours and still make enough money to support all the things they want to do with their free time and all the stuff they think they want to buy for themselves and their loved ones. So they work more hours and discover that they've just traded one rat race for another.
When you work for someone else, you get your allotted vacation days, your health insurance, your 401K plan, your sick days, and your paycheck just like clockwork. When you work for yourself, you get none of those things unless you buy 'em for yourself, and you find enough clients/customers to pay the bills.
So, would I change the choices I made for myself? Heck no. I love this business we've built & I'm proud of it. I love my customers and I'm happy I can provide jobs for my fabulous staff, without whom this business would be nothing. But boy oh boy, I would sure love to take a few weeks off and ride my bike somewhere, without having to think about servers and inventory and taxes and payroll, etc, etc. I'm far less free to just take off than I ever was when I worked for the bank.
So, explore the idea of owning your own business. Please, just be sure you truly go into it with your eyes wide open, understanding that it comes with it's own set of sacrifices.
Best,
Susan
I had to leave the rat race...
Wasn't my choice, I loved what I did. I had a stroke that affected the motor function portion of my brain. I have difficulty using my left side, and both my legs are in braces. I also have a non-specific seizure disorder. Will I ever work again??? I don't know, but I do miss it. I cared very deeply for my patients and spent long hours at the office making sure they got everything they needed in a timely manner.
There is an upside to my story. I now appreciate each day that comes to me.
I have enjoyed spending this summer with my children, and watched my oldest prepare for college. I have a different prespective on the world and how it views those of us who are considered "handicapped". Because of my braces and crutches many treat me like a moron...I have a masters degree in nursing science and was preparing for a Phd program when I got sick. I am much more spiritual than I have ever been in my life. Little hiccups don't bother me anymore and riding my bike is something that makes me do a happy dance...especially if I don't fall!!!:) Driving a car is a treat and I miss it very much. In the old days I was a workaholic...I wish this me could go back and talk to the old me, I would tell the old me to slow down, smell the roses and cherish each moment. I wish the old me had a little bit of the new me inside...maybe I would have appreciated the "rat race" more!!!
karen
hoping this makes sense:o
I haven't quit the rat race, but try to simplify it, if possible. dh wants to quit in 5 yrs or so after the house is paid off. But recently, I changed jobs and pared down my life some. I left a retail job I've been at 8 yrs(it was a decent job-burned out ) and I gave up some hard earned vacation time, But I've gained alot of peace-of-mind. I actually have more time w/ my 10 yr old dd, I can finish my college degree and get better grades(I worked f/t and college p/t) keeping my head above water grade wise. I can go to church and work won't interfere, and join some community things I've been wanting to do. I know everyone can't do what I've done financially b/c everyone is different, but find ways to simplify-Its worth it.
"I am spending less money on things that are unimportant now because largly, spending was a way to cope".
At my old job, I would go shop after work, just to get away for awhile, even if I didn't buy anything. the clearance racks were fun though :). But I find myself not going to the store unless I need to now.
For those that have opted out of the rat race did you spend time putting a nest egg together first or just take the plunge and work out the budget as you went? Due to my DHs health and not having children of my own I have to be concerned about being able to take care of myself when I'm old. So I don't feel I can dip into what we've managed to save so far. I've even thought if I could just take a year off from work...but then trying to re-enter the workforce could be difficult.
I was out of work for 3 months last winter and it nearly killed me. Between always having to be 'home' in a hostile environment (DGF's exBF still lived there) and not being able to leave because of the cost of gas, not biking because I didn't know the area AT ALL and my asthma was bad to the point of exhaustion after 3 miles, and the guilt of having DGF support me while I was turned down for job after job, having quit my cushy software job to move in with her (the silly things we do for love!) I was at the end of my rope.
I hate to say it, but without 'something to do' I sink into nasty bouts of depression. Surely if I had company while I had 'nothing to do' I'd be fine, but... I dunno. Any time I've been unemployed, I've been stuck alone or worse.
I WORRY about DGF though. 48-52 hr weeks since college, one day off/week and she wanders about on her free time, bored because she ordinarily doesn't HAVE time off- she has no idea what to do with herself. I'm going to pick up those books... it's not that we have oodles and tons of money as it is, but seriously, she works more hours than she has awake at home, and both of us need to get away from the rat race at least a little. =( What's life if you're not living it?
Hi there... with 5 kids can I assure you it does get easier - a different kind've 'hard' but certainly easier in terms of demands...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bikingmomof3
Example, my two oldest are 18 and 17...
I, my partner and the 15 1/2 year old went racing today, leaving the 12 and 10 year olds in the older kid's care.
All went well, the dinner is cvooked, the clean washing folded and half of the dishes done.
As well - the three boys went out the back for a while making huts and building bear traps while my 18yr old got on with her homework.
Re the RAT RACE topic of this thread -
Cycling is my escape from the rat-race - I am very much interested in quitting my job - I'm sick and tired of the proverbial 'rat-race'
But I am stuck racing with the other rats til my youngest finishes school - my job helps pay for the petrol costs of running the kids in to High School.
This is such an interesting topic I don't even know where to begin....
I am 34, and am in the tech (computer) industry. I went to college with the intent of becoming a wildlife biologist. The most fun I've ever had in a job was as an assistant to a biologist. I got to drive around in a Bronco, and interact with wild animals (a little more complex than that but that's what it felt like). That was the best!
To make a long story short, after school I needed a pay the bills job and I'd worked in the university's computer labs as part of my aid package. This was at the time when the public was just catching on that this thing called the Internet might be really interesting and change how we live and communicate. So, I went to work for a small local ISP, an have been in tech ever since. There have been several times along the way I have wondered why I was doing what I was doing, what my life purpose is, most importantly how I could get outside more and do something I love to be doing. Earlier on I told myself I would save up money and position myself to be able to do something more personally satisfying, most likely an outdoors or environment related job. A few years ago I started formulating a plan after getting so stressed out that I had to go to the ER for an irregular heart beat (turns out to be a very manageable situation and not a problem, just very disconcerting when it happens). And I had been getting migraines from stress too.
It will take maybe 5 or 6 years to be able to make the true shift, and I'm in year 2 now. But in the meanwhile, I was not sure how I could deal with being in the large company environment which was driving me nearly insane.
So... I have just left the huge company (10,000+) for a small company (100). It cuts down my commute from 45 minutes one way (which was at non-rush hour times to avoid traffic... if I had to go at rush hour that could easily be 1hr 15) to 15 mins. I take regular roads, not jammed up highways. I can go to work at the same hours others do. I can even bike if I get up the nerve to because it's only 10 miles (no showers at work tho and so far I am still too chicken too because of traffic volume :(). And I am trying *VERY* hard to make sure my new job does not sprawl into unreasonable hours and homework, things I did not do well previously.
I joined a gym about 2 mins away from the work by car, so I can work out on inclement weather days which we get plenty of or at least will. The office park has lots of paths and an area with a basketball court (too bad I am not interested in basketball). A fair number of people use the paths to run or walk. I've even seen some lunchtime cyclists but I don't know how to reach them (not in my building) to join. I have been trying to be good about running or biking, outside or indoors @ gym, at least 3 times during the work week, and taking a walk on the paths on non exercise days. I have met up with the local cycling club for after work rides a few times too. Side note, I am curious to know if the paths get shoveled in the winter - if they don't, I'll be snowshoeing at lunch - woohoo! I have also been drinking more water, eating better food, and trying to sleep more (actually my biggest weakness, not sleeping enough). And I try to do fun things on the weekend.
Bottom line to all this is most of my stress comes from the work environment, so I realized that as long as I was going to be working for a corporation, which I need to be for the time being, I better find ways to keep my perspective and not get wrapped around the axle. Hopefully, these things will work in the short term.
Long term, there are still a few wildcards in the plan of course... my husband and I still have to figure out some big questions like: kids & when, as well as where we will plunk ourselves down when it's all said and done. He DID go to school to be in the tech industry, and wants to stay in it... so that puts some constraints on things. I'd love to live in the middle of nowhere otherwise... :) And plans are always just that - this year has taught us that just when you think everything is rolling along, something happens that you did not expect. We know other things may require plan modification along the way. But at least we have something to work toward.
anyway I write all this because it always helps me see these goals in real words, so maybe in a few months I can use it to remind myself if I'm going off course. Also because maybe there are some ways some of you can find to bring down the stress levels in your own lives. The commute change alone has been TREMENDOUS. And being at a small company also is a completely different dynamic.
Last year sometime my family (me, DH ,and 3 kids) visited some friends of ours who had just moved into a half-mil house with all the extras. When we got home the kids envied everything - everything. I told the kids we could have all of those things too and their eyes got huge at just the thought of it. I said I would go out the next day and get a 50 hour a week job, they could go to daycare until I got home everyday, and that when my job transfers me across the country we would move three times in high school just like our friends did. :eek: THAT changed their perspective.
I have been a SAHM and a working mom. When I am working I miss fieldtrips and concerts, when I am not working we can't order out for dinner or go to the mall. There's a sacrifice either way. I do know my family is much happier when we are making our own choices, not comparing to ourselves to others.
First, I want to echo a lot of what Susan said -- I work more hours than I ever did; rarely take a day off; work nights, weekends, and holidays; make much less money; have no benefits or retirement; my office is in my home so work is always there -- but I LOVE WHAT I DO!!!
My career change was pretty serendipitous. I have a BFA in theatre management and I managed professional theatres for 13 years. I also have an MBA. I made the transition to corporate America and worked for a start-up (laid off in 4 months) and then a large investment banking firm (laid off in less than 2 years). I had planned to spend the rest of my career with the investment banking firm, so I was in a bit of a tizzy. As part of my severance (which was very, very generous) I received funding to go back to school for two years.
I was pretty lost without a job/purpose. This was in 2001 in Silicon Valley when the bottom fell out. No one was hiring. I couldn't even get an interview. I was a project manager and since there was no funding for projects there was no need for project managers. I fell into a deep, dark depression. And, to make matters worse, I'm single and I don't live with anyone. Not only don't I have someone else to depend on for finances, but I didn't have anyone to be socially responsible to -- if I didn't feel like getting out of bed on a given day, I didn't.
Long story short, I went back to school only because I got to go free, I had nothing else to do, and I realized if I didn't do something I'd probably have a nervous breakdown. I studied exercise physiology and decided I wanted to focus on cycling and helping women achieve success through their accomplishments on the bike.
Without savings, without a retirement fund, without a car (I sold it to pay the mortgage), I founded Velo Girls in 2002, hung out my shingle as a cycling coach, and also did some part-time work at a local college in the adaptive fitness program. To make ends meet, I taught 14 spinning classes a week (crazy).
I later decided working part-time at my local bike shop made more sense than teaching classes at four different gyms (and included health insurance). For a while I did both (spinning and lbs), but found it difficult to focus on my coaching (my new career) while I was working so many hours. That's one of the ironies of starting your own company. It takes time to make money. But, you need money, so you work other jobs, which takes away your time.
It was seriously tough for a year -- I almost lost my house. It was still tough during year two. During years three and four I could finally pay all my bills and quit worrying so much about money. Now, in year five, I'm finally thinking about paying down some debt I incurred to start-up my business and potentially paying into a retirement fund (but maybe not -- more on that below).
I don't have a lot of the expenses I had when I worked in the "real world." My commute is non-existent and I don't have parking expenses. My wardrobe is much simpler now (but sometimes I think cycling clothes are just as expensive as business suits). Because I don't work in San Francisco anymore, my social life has changed significantly (saving me lots of money). I have to think about major purchases before making them. But I splurge for fresh flowers every week (another story).
I survived on a wing and a prayer. I don't recommend anyone try what I did. It was totally crazy, but I've always done crazy stuff. Somehow, my business has succeeded even though there were lots of folks in the cycling community that thought it was a stupid idea (men, of course). I have a bit more free time to focus on creating new programs. And I'm finally not worried about money anymore.
There are lots of things to consider if you start your own business, especially one in your home. From the expense pov, you've got a computer, office supplies, software, computer support (I sure do miss the IT department), and other office type expenses. You might also contract folks to complete parts of the business for you (ie accountant, web developer, computer folks, graphic artist, etc). I didn't have a very good infrastructure set up before I started -- my "office" consisted of a laptop on the kitchen counter. I highly recommend getting your office (computer, desk, filing, storage, etc) set up before you begin.
Regarding retirement, I have a different opinion than most of you, I assume. Both of my parents died relatively young. I've survived some serious health issues of my own. I don't assume I'll have a long life. I would rather live my life now than save money and hope I'm still alive at 60. I figure I've always gotten by somehow, and if I make it to 60 I'll figure it out then too!
Velogirl,
Amazing story. Thanks for sharing it!