January/February weight management challenge

I do measure the countable things, too. I don't make pasta at home anymore; it's a treat for a good Italian restaurant.
Yes, given the fact I've lost 3.5 lbs in this amount of time, it's told me that I really just need to tweak what I eat to maintain a slightly lower weight and that if I didn't exercise I would be fat. That's what keeps me from going too far into the danger zone But, the thing is, I already felt that my eating was somewhat restrictive before this challenge. I had quinoa with my dinner tonight, which, because it's protein and not technically a grain, I allowed myself. Now I feel very full. Just 7.5 more days of very low carb. Then I will start to add in some brown rice and occasional whole wheat bread. But, I still need to up the protein and watch the portion sizes.

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Originally Posted by Susan Otcenas

I read an article that says that in cultures where people generally are NOT fat despite rich foods (like in France) is because they are taught to stop in a different manner than we are.

In the US and many other cultures, we stop eating when we are full.
In France, they are taught to stop eating when they are no longer hungry.

It's a subtle difference, yet intriguing. I've tried to retrain my thinking in this manner. I don't want to feel full. I just want to be "no longer hungry".

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I was taught to stop eating when the plate was empty, which worked well enough when I was growing up. But once I was out on my own, it was a long process to learn the right amount to put on the plate. And in restaurants I would keep eating even if I felt sick from too much food, until finally one day I realized I needed to stop doing that, even if it meant that some of the food got thrown away.

I'm in still/again for this challenge.

Frustrated because even though I'm staying active, I've gotten a too complacent, and am at least 6 pounds above my goal weight. I've forgotten my exact weight from Friday of last week (118 or 119?) so I'll start with this Friday. It jumped up to 120 after the 200k ride, but that is to be expected.

Thanks Posse Gal for continuing to do this.

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Originally Posted by ny biker

I was taught to stop eating when the plate was empty, which worked well enough when I was growing up. But once I was out on my own, it was a long process to learn the right amount to put on the plate. And in restaurants I would keep eating even if I felt sick from too much food, until finally one day I realized I needed to stop doing that, even if it meant that some of the food got thrown away.

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Doggie box! I try to take home half of my entree if I'm at a restaurant that gives large portions, as so many of them do. I am not one who minds leftovers at all; in fact, sometimes the food tastes even better the next day. :D

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Originally Posted by Susan Otcenas

I read an article that says that in cultures where people generally are NOT fat despite rich foods (like in France) is because they are taught to stop in a different manner than we are.

In the US and many other cultures, we stop eating when we are full.
In France, they are taught to stop eating when they are no longer hungry.

It's a subtle difference, yet intriguing. I've tried to retrain my thinking in this manner. I don't want to feel full. I just want to be "no longer hungry".

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Interesting difference, and it makes sense. I do not eat large portions - though I do fall into that trap when I go out to eat. I know I need to eat more vegetables and have started to incorporate more nutrient rich dark colored veggies into my usual dishes. I've pretty much ruled everything else out so there has to be something going on with my portions.

I am just frustrated with myself, in August 2010 I was 2 pounds below my target weight of 130, and now I am almost 7 pounds higher than my target weight. That might not sound like much, but with my propensity for diabetes 2, my age, and my athletic goals those 7 pounds just aren't good for me. Nor can I delude myself into thinking that I've gained 7 pounds of muscle. My body would look quite different if that were the case :o

I don't measure when I cook - I am one of those "bit of this and a dab of that" cooks, but I start with healthy ingredients and limit my use of oil as much as I can. I am actively drawing back from bread, though I do need whole grains so am staying with my steel-cut oats with breakfast and brown rice a couple of times a week. I think the rest of my carbs should come from veggies/fruit. It isn't like I am going out on long endurance rides this time of the year!

I will be out of town for a long weekend with some girlfriends (read: much red wine consumption), so I weighed this morning. 128. I tried to go low-er carb this week and ended up totally bonking during running by Wednesday (and just going up the stairs!). I need a few more calories and a few more carbs if I am going to continue to train at 30-40 mpw, I think.

Finding that right balance of carbs and keeping your weight where you want it, is hard!

A few weeks ago I started making Friday nights a carb fest. At first it was an accidental thing, we were both off and bought a bunch of evil stuff at Trader Joes. :D But I noticed that I wasn't completely exhausted by my long Saturday run, the way I ALWAYS had been. So, the next week I carb loaded on purpose on Friday night and again I had a great long run and felt great after.

I'm not losing the pounds I'd like to get to 12% body fat, but I'm not gaining either and the extra energy on Saturday afternoon is nice!

I'm sure you'll find what works for you. :)

Veronica

V, how long is your long run? Just curious.

I was talking about carb loading for what I thought was a long ride and DH poo-pooed it, saying, "You don't need to carb load for 20 miles."

I'm kicking myself here because I'm falling back into old eating habits - no self control. I even recognize it while I'm doing it and I can't stop myself, or I've been unable to stop myself or unwilling or whatever. Damn Trader Joe's and their "healthy" snacks. Baked cheese puffs, my big Aunty Fanny.

I know I'm the only one who can control this. I don't know why I can't.

Roxy

(((((Roxy))))) It's hard. I still struggle with it. The exercise piece is, I think, coming together for me. Now to work on my eating habits (while potentially changing careers, selling a house, moving stuff into storage and an apartment, and....that's just the next few months).

For 20 miles on the bike, I wouldn't carb load. But I would require a small snack on the bike (a fig newton pack - 200 calories - or something of that size). I'm slow, so 20 miles (with stoplights) can be 2 hours.

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Originally Posted by Veronica

I'm sure you'll find what works for you. :)

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I know what works for me and just thought I'd try something a little different (hubby is trying to lose about 10 so we are trying to do this together). When the bonks happen on short runs, that's a problem. I haven't even gotten to my long run for the week (which, thankfully, is pretty short by my long run standards)! At this point I'm concerned with getting my weight down because I don't need to carry an extra 5 lbs up the mountain when I am running. I have no idea what my BF is, and for the purposes for moving mass through space (at the moment), I'm not too focused on it. I seem to be able to lose weight if I count calories. I don't really eat a lot of crap, anyway, so I think that helps. My problem is portion control. If I measure out my food, regardless of what it is, then I can usually lose what I need to lose.

Friggin' almonds. I can eat them by the handful.

Roxy, I eat regularly while I run long distances, but in very small amounts. For anything longer than about an hour or an hour and a half, I need some calories. If it's close to an hour and a half, I drink my calories (I prefer HEED). If it's 2+ hours, then I always have some food. What I eat depends on how long I plan to be out.

Edit: the low carb is definitely working for hubby. So we'll keep that focus but I will need to add in some!

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Originally Posted by Muirenn

I've started this thing where I eat veggies with every meal. Even breakfast. It more than triples my daily intake, and reduces my appetite.

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This is part of my strategy too. An egg for breakfast would never satisfy me. So, I put a little water in the bottom of a saute pan (no oil), toss in a cup of mushrooms, some diced red peppers, some onions, some garlic, a couple of handfuls of spinach, maybe some asparagus is I have it on hand, etc. I steam saute all of that until tender, then toss an egg (and usually a 2nd egg white) on top of the whole thing and toss it all together into a scramble. I end up with a nice pile on my plate, that takes a long time to eat, all for 2 WW points. I sometimes add some habanero peppers to the saute, or some salsa at the end. Last weekend I wrapped it all up into a high fiber tortilla (3 pts) with salsa.

At lunch I always have a big spinach salad - spinach, 'shrooms, peppers, perhaps some jicama, maybe some tomato, etc. Topped with a balsamic/olive oil dressing (ration of vinegar to oil is about 20:1). These are huge salads, so even though nothing is a trackable point with WW (veggies are free), I still charge myself 3 points for it. 1 for the olive oil (even though I don't think I'm even using a teaspoon's worth) and 2 for the veggies. Then, I charge myself for all the "toppings". 2 oz of chicken, perhaps, or 1/4 of an avocado. Add a piece of fruit on the side and it's a pretty big meal.

Dinner always involves large quantities of (usually) steamed veggies. Last night I steamed a pile broccoli & cauliflower. A tablespoon of sriracha makes a great dipping sauce. A few ounces of protein on the side and I'm good to go!

I've learned that I make BAD choices when I'm hungry, especially at night. So, if huge piles of veggies are what it takes to fill the empty space in my stomach, then that's what it takes.

Of course, I'm super busy, so the only way I can make all these meals is by doing prep work for multiple meals at once. I chop enough veggies for multiple meals and store them all in containers in the fridge. I buy pre-washed organic spinach and lettuce. I don't peel things like carrots and potatoes (I eat the skins). I make my lunchtime salads the night before, when I'm making my dinner salad. Etc.

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Originally Posted by channlluv

V, how long is your long run? Just curious.

I was talking about carb loading for what I thought was a long ride and DH poo-pooed it, saying, "You don't need to carb load for 20 miles."

I'm kicking myself here because I'm falling back into old eating habits - no self control. I even recognize it while I'm doing it and I can't stop myself, or I've been unable to stop myself or unwilling or whatever. Damn Trader Joe's and their "healthy" snacks. Baked cheese puffs, my big Aunty Fanny.

I know I'm the only one who can control this. I don't know why I can't.

Roxy

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Just don't buy the stuff. Keep it out of he house. Don't even walk down the aisle in the grocery store if you can avoid it. If you have to walk down that aisle to buy something in a different category, avert your eyes from the bad stuff.

Sometimes when I'm shopping I'll see the Ruffles potato chips and think they would be really good right now so maybe I should treat myself. Then I close my eyes and picture my a$$ in swim suit. And I keep walking.

I gained half a lb. last night so it's either the quinoa, the soy marinade, or having (my normal) 2 thin pork chops. DH gained also. Back to the drawing board.

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Originally Posted by Crankin

I gained half a lb. last night so it's either the quinoa, the soy marinade, or having (my normal) 2 thin pork chops. DH gained also. Back to the drawing board.

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Or water. If you cut way back on carbs, you lost water weight. And possibly the soy marinade was a bit high in sodium?

And then there's just normal fluctuations. I weighed 143 on Monday and Tuesday, was down to 142.4 yesterday and 141 today. It was all water, mostly hormone-related.

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Originally Posted by Crankin

I gained half a lb. last night so it's either the quinoa, the soy marinade, or having (my normal) 2 thin pork chops. DH gained also. Back to the drawing board.

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Crankin', these sound like normal day-to-day water fluctuations. Just one cup of water weighs a half pound. Body weight swings wildly throughout the day. It doesn't mean you're gaining or losing any FAT.