I'm all for commuting by bike, however the pomposity of those interviewed in the article is just beyond me. Bunch of sheep-le.
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I'm all for commuting by bike, however the pomposity of those interviewed in the article is just beyond me. Bunch of sheep-le.
I just read the article, just skimmed it first time round. And I was thinking that - sure, I'd prefer if these people wore a helmet, or at least demonstrated a minimum of traffic sense (which they could have I guess, but it certainly drowned in the "looky-me I can cycle too and look chic"-message) But at the speed and distances they're probably logging it's doubtful that they're going to be a big part of the accident statistics. Toodling around for short distances in the inner city where traffic is slow isn't really that dangerous compared to long-distance commuting on heavily trafficked roads.
And we can't expect people to just "become cyclists" and adopt cyclist culture as we see it overnight. If cycling is to become more popular, well then, the popular crowd is going to cycle their way. That includes chic clothing, viewing hip bikes as accessories, and baskets, dogs and whatnot as fashion statements. And maybe not helmets. The best we can do as a cycling community is send the message that yes, cycling for transport is for everybody, and no, you don't have to look like a spandex-wearing superhero, BUT you have to remember that you are in traffic and behave responsibly. It's not cool to behave like a super-fast and unpredictable pedestrian, urban cycling chic is about being civilized, predictable and on top of things.
I stopped by one of the chic stores today (Adeline Adeline in Tribeca). Really, they were very nice and I'm not knocking the place at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they make some customers more comfortable than the traditional bike stores featuring monosyllabic male employees. I hoped to come away with an amusing anecdote, but was disappointed.
The whole neighborhood is Extremely Chic, with $800 handbags and such, so they fit in.
They were babysitting a customer's dog while she took a test-ride, which speaks well of them IMO (beautiful greyhound who sniffed me all over because I smell like bulldog).
The bikes I saw were Linus and Pashley. Most were on the heavy side -- no way I'd get one up the subway stairs.
The place was really, really, really chic, though. I need chain lube but didn't even ask. Theirs is probably organic and imported from the Andes.
I will be curious to see if they survive.
Aaaahahahahaha that's hilarious!!! And probably true :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PamNY
When I first started cycling, I could never picture myself in all that spandex and wondered if it was necessary. Then after trying a pair of bike shorts, the answer was 'yes, this is more comfortable than rolled up jeans'. Then I tried a jersey, and 'yes - it wicks moisture and has pockets in the back'. Then other cyclists started telling me that it was much easier to cycle with a hard sole on your shoe instead of tennis shoes, and 'yes, even with toe clips, bike shoes are an improvement'. The other comment when I showed up in a black windbreaker was 'do you want to die? - so my colors got bright'. The helmet I got at the time I bought the bike because I do value my head. So, now I look like a proper cyclist.
The whole fashion thing is really just as nuts as riding on the sidewalk in the wrong direction. I would stay far away from those folks.
Featuretile, my bike clothing experience was a bit like yours. DBF said "Yeah, you need shorts" and dragged my butt to Performance for a cheap pair (all I was willing to buy at the time.) The helmet was not an issue--I'm not dumb enough to ride without one, and even if I was, my BF would never let me near a bike without one.
A couple miles, I could do without all the spandex and a jersey. Never dressed up like that, though. I can't walk around and look like that. I like the idea of a "casual bike wardrobe" for jaunts to the coffee shop or to class and the like. I need the wicking fabric-- I could sweat for England.:rolleyes:
Meanwhile ..maybe dearie and I might go to the Momentum bike fashion show 1 km. away tomorrow.. But it's more of a social event for us if we go to chat up with other folks we know there. :rolleyes: I went to their very first one a few years ago, where I met my first TE forumite, Mimi.
If some people choose to dress up in fashionable street clothing while cycling, etc. that's their thing. I wouldn't necessarily judge them less. If they want to ride heavier bikes, that's their thing. But for certain, they shouldn't presume that it's a good thing for newbies to ride a heavy bike. I wouldn't make that type of recommendation at all.
I just wonder how they keep their skirts, tops, etc. from oil stains, etc. and prevent scratches on beautiful leather dress boots or dress shoes. :confused: I honestly would need a new wardrobe to dress fashionably and cycle.
But when I was in Copenhagen, it was obvious that to have a truly cycling intensive city, regular cyclists (meaning us) have to embrace, all cyclists who may not wear comfortable cycling clothing, etc. More of my comments here and pics. (In case others didn't see my Copenagen blog post earlier.)
Clearly Copenhagen Chic is an effective marketing spin but in fact, when you are there, lots of people look pretty ordinary.
Lph wonder if you are one of the rarer Europeans who believes in wearing bike helmet. The blogger for Copenhagenize and Copenhagen Chic, practically is foaming at the mouth in anger, whenever he looks to North America's bike helmet laws.
No, helmets are not mandatory but pretty much the norm here for regular cyclists and especially for kids, but I do regularly see "cycling non-cyclists" ie. students in jeans and backpacks, young urban hipsters in street clothes, the odd elderly gentleman or two... not wearing helmets. I figure that as long as they're not biking too far and are behaving predictably they'll probably be fine. Unfortunately these, especially the students and young hipsters are most often the ones behaving like kamikaze pilots and running red lights.Quote:
Originally Posted by shootingstar
Copenhagen really does have a cycling culture all of their own. And I do think they may have a point in that mandatory helmet use works against encouraging "cyclism".
That sounds like a great shop to me, and I am sure they will do well if they are able to communicate and put people at their ease. Certainly I would (and now do) go out of my way for a LBS that is helpful and friendly. There's a shop in London called Bobbin Bicycles (I think) which I would love to see and visit, they do sell some racers though.Quote:
Originally Posted by PamNY
Pashleys do look heavy, no doubt about that. Here in Britain though they are often cherished in the same way as old Minis. I suppose the weight becomes an issue if you are taking it up metro stairs or a steep hill (why I am hesitating over one), but on the flat gentle towpaths and the country lanes for which they were designed I can imagine they must be great fun and as good for beginners as anything else. They look very practical in terms of carrying capacity too, which makes them popular as commuting bikes. I think women and men here appreciate the chain and skirt/coat guards on them which should allow stain-free riding.Quote:
Originally Posted by shootingstar
I wear a helmet, as does my husband (who bought one in order to ride my bike home the 1 mile journey from the bike shop). It just seems the sensible thing to do. I have to admit to wondering what it would feel like to cycle with the wind in my hair as I've never experienced that. Maybe one day. Other than that my cycling kit consists of 1 pair padded boxers and various Lidl socks/gloves/jacket (Lidl is a European discount chain). I will get better stuff as I get to know what I need, but I would honestly not win any fashion competitions on my bike, nor do I look like a cyclist.
Very interesting thread, thank you.
They are shoes for catty chicks! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by channlluv
Each to her own. I'm not into being stylish on or off the bike, but if it makes someone happy to buy this stuff, more power to them. As for the no-helmet thing, that's just poor judgement but I see a lot of non-fashionistas riding around w/out helmets. I'm with Pam--these pieces are hilarious. I love the NYT.
There seems to be a "triathlon" trend here in DC.....can't wait until it dies because these people (mostly posers) make it more crowded at the pool and on the MUTs (most don't take the time to learn proper etiquette for either cycling or swimming---so they are a safety hazard and annoying--which is my beef w/them).
Kitten heels are low (maybe .5-1 inch) heels that are shaped so they are little on the bottom, like regular high heels, but get wider as they approach the bottom of the shoe. Not a good description, but they are basically low heeled dress shoes, with a somewhat different shape. They first were popular in the forties. I love them, because as a short person, I don't look very good in flats with dress clothes, but these heels are low enough to be comfortable.
I am really surprised at the level of animosity toward "fashion." While I wouldn't ride in the clothes described in the article, so what if someone does? I love fashion, clothes, etc. It doesn't mean I don't also like working hard on my bike and getting sweaty and dirty.
Crankin -- You definitely can carry off a look and have good taste (from your pictures). I enjoy fashion, particularly something well crafted & designed. I'm more of a spectator than participant, though. I have a few nice pieces for briefings, meetings, etc., but the bulk of my work wardrobe is more along the lines of Patagonia dresses & skirts.
I would wear Patagonia dresses all of the time, if they made them for short people!!! Seriously, I have started buying Athleta's dresses because they are moe "sporty" and they have my size. The down side is that I have to judge by looking at pic on the Internet or catalog and sometimes it just doesn't work out.
Got the Title 9 catalog yesterday. They *never* show people on bikes wearing a helmet. Plus, they had tons of nice stuff I could wear to work, but, nope they also have very few petites.
This woman was mentioned months ago in TE.
But here is this 85 yr. U.S. woman who cycles regularily..in a skirt and heels.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theskep...ol-709497@N21/
I saw someone attempting this in Seattle a few days ago... very cute skirt, totally cute jacket, heels (not kitten heels.... but short boots with spiky heels), old 60's style Raleigh - that she had to walk up the hill because it was too steep for her on the old heavy 3 speed.... then she proceeded to ride on the wrong side of the street into oncoming traffic! to get to a crosswalk wherein she crossed against the light.... perhaps she had fashion sense, but no common sense..