I was careless in my " don't count the urban miles" comment. They certainly do add distance to the ride, but since the only access out I have has a stop sign every block for the first 4 miles (lots of opportunities to unclip) and several stop lights in the next three miles, I use those portions of the ride as a separate laps and consider it a warm up and cool down. Its the long stretches once I get out that I count as speed or cadence miles and use it in logging my personal aatats and goals.
Urban riding is a whole different animal than out in the country fields and texas prairie riding.

