Cleanses

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Originally Posted by Mr. Silver

Silver are you reading this? (She's been in denial...I'm convinced her bone density issues are related to Diet Coke...)

Karen, I'm like you were...there's no caffeine like cold caffeine - morning, noon, and night...probably 8/day. Unfortunately, I detest coffee and am allergic to tea. Diet Coke replaced an 8 Real Cokes/day habit (that's right - 960 calories of high fructose corn syrup each day for years)

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Mr. Silver,
I don't want to sound like I'm lecturing, but if you and Silver are each drinking 8 cans of Diet Coke a day then you are certainly at risk of depleting nutrients and also increasing bone loss rate- for BOTH of you. Not to mention all the nasty chemicals as opposed to healthy beverages or just water. Do a bit of google research about aspartame/Nutrasweet, for one thing. Things to think about, for sure.
The other factor for bone loss is to make sure you are getting some weight bearing exercise- biking does not prevent bone loss, neither does swimming. Running, brisk walking, weight lifting, aerobics, jump rope, stair climbing....does. Google the latest news articles about how many men Pro cyclists are experiencing bad bone density losses due to not getting any weight bearing exercise. It's an eye opener.

A couple of possible alternatives....try some carbonated water flavored with natural flavors....they have some very tasty ones out now, like natural peach or white grape essence seltzers. These are almost no calories but have little or none of the bad things in them. Another thing is to mix seltzer with a little bit of fruit juice to make a healthy low calorie spritzer to guzzle.
You say you are allergic to tea- I assume you mean regular black tea. Well that still leaves a whole world of other interesting "teas" to try out- health/herb teas, mint, chai, perhaps green teas, fruit or flower teas, spice teas, many dozens of different flavored "teas" that are not black tea at all. You can't be allergic to all those- that would be like saying you're allergic to "plants". Experiment and find some healthy tisane that appeals to you, and starts drinking it, either hot, or iced by the half gallon pitcher. Perhaps buy a variety box of herbal teas to try. They have some wonderful gourmet variety boxes of themn at health food stores. Don't expect or seek to find anything that tastes like Diet Coke. You'd have to think new, different.
And remember that one must cut down on caffeine gradually or else get major painful headaches.
...Just some stuff to consider if you ever want to get away from the Diet Coke....
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Silvers - I agree with Lisa here. I was a diet coke drinker for years - but not to the extent you are/were. I also drank coffee in the morning, then usually only one diet coke in the afternoon. Even that had a negative effect on me, though.

I do like carbonation so I switched to seltzer - even plain is good as far as I'm concerned. Also drink green tea - make my own iced and hot. It's wonderful - give it a try and good luck!

When I'm in a situation where I could (have to) choose Diet Coke or a "real" soft drink, I usually choose the real one now. I began eliminating HFCS from my diet about a year ago, but I figure it's better than chemicals in a can. I really savor Jones Sodas and Coke bottled in Mexico when I get one (about once every 6 months). I just don't have the calorie budget for sodas so I don't drink them.

I stopped drinking iced tea at restaurants recently because I'm such a cheapskate--it went up to like $2.50, and water is free.

One reason I started giving up DC years ago is an article I read about someone who was testing out the Atkins diet. She said how she wasn't concerned about not being able to eliminate carbs, but how pathetic is it that she felt she couldn't give up Diet Coke? I didn't want to be pathetic. lol.

Karen

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Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.

You say you are allergic to tea- I assume you mean regular black tea. Well that still leaves a whole world of other interesting "teas" to try out- health/herb teas, mint, chai, perhaps green teas, fruit or flower teas, spice teas, many dozens of different flavored "teas" that are not black tea at all. You can't be allergic to all those- that would be like saying you're allergic to "plants". Experiment and find some healthy tisane that appeals to you, and starts drinking it, either hot, or iced by the half gallon pitcher. Perhaps buy a variety box of herbal teas to try. They have some wonderful gourmet variety boxes of themn at health food stores. Don't expect or seek to find anything that tastes like Diet Coke. You'd have to think new, different.
And remember that one must cut down on caffeine gradually or else get major painful headaches.
...Just some stuff to consider if you ever want to get away from the Diet Coke....
:)

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Most herbal teas don't have caffeine, so that would make them a no go for me.

Also for me, if a change isn't convenient and simple to do, I just won't do it. The alternative has to have no baggage or inconvenience associated with it. I started replacing DC with iced tea by ordering it with my fast food meals (now I don't eat fast food meals anymore, either). Then I started buying cases of bottled water instead of cases of Diet Coke (now I use a Brita pitcher instead of bottles). I can't go all or nothing--it has to go in increments.

Silvers, next time you're replenishing DC, buy water instead. Or one of the many options that Lisa mentioned. Go for "integrity at the point of decision'

Karen

Karen

Most people do "cleansing" because it sounds great! Wow, a way to "take a load" off kidneys or liver (our natural processors and filters), a way to "clean out" our colons, or a way to mark a change in our attitude, religious calendar, or life.

Guess what? Your kidneys work just as hard no matter what you eat. Your kidneys still filter the same amount of blood per minute and the solutes they remove for urine isn't metabolically different. Your liver is still processing fats -- ingested and already present -- into smaller and different macromolecules. Everything your gut absorbs gets dumped into the hepatic system for first pass metabolism, whether it's organic unpasteurized wonder fruit green algae superdrink or your usual lunch sandwich, and it takes the same amount of energy.

People say they feel different or better after cleansing. People feel better after a period of dedicated prayer, new athletic achievements, and an awful lot of different things. And sure you'll feel less constipated if you ingest a lot more fiber and fluids for a few days -- cleansing-style or not.

You're a cleansing machine EACH AND EVERY DAY. You don't need anything special to waste your money and time on, but if you truly feel better and it is not destructive, go ahead. (I would warn against "high colonic" anal irrigations, however, for a variety of medical reasons.) But re-evaluate WHY you want to do it and whether it is solely accomplished by doing a crazy diet alteration for a few days, and why you can't make sensible sustainable diet changes instead.

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Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.

Mr. Silver,
I don't want to sound like I'm lecturing, but if you and Silver are each drinking 8 cans of Diet Coke a day then you are certainly at risk of depleting nutrients and also increasing bone loss rate- for BOTH of you. :)

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The problem is "I KNOW you're right!" and I still do it!

Here's a promise to you:

For one week I will limit myself to 2/day and I'll drink plenty of water instead!

In one week, I'll reevaluate:(

Silver, you in????

If you do that you might want to temporarily take some caffeine pills or other caffeine to ease the abrupt drop off a bit- going from 8 cans to 2 is likely to give you some caffeine withdrawal headaches- and those can be splitting (i know).
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

8 cans of diet coke a day :eek:

I hate to be rude, but isn't that why the US has one of the most obese populations in the world?

Frightening..

Um, diet coke doesn't contain sugar or calories. That's why it's diet.:p

Though I think I've read somewhere that the chemicals in diet drinks exacerbate the feeling of hunger. I think . . . .where did I read that?:confused:

The studies that tie diet soda with obesity are pretty wild. Some folks say the nutrasweet/aspartame is an appetite stimulant. That's a bummer.

There's also the behavioural aspect, like one study that had folks who ordered giant diet sodas also ordering giant burgers and fries (thinking it was ok, cuz after all they are cutting out calories from the soda, so some extra fries can't hurt, right?)

Artificial sweetners make me and SKnot very sick, and Nutrasweet in particular causes my mom to get ill. She's a diabetic and has a lot of trouble with dry mouth, so now she sips plain tea all day.

doesn't diet coke contain aspertaine/aspertane (sp)...I thought diet coke was bad for you..:confused:

CC, yes, diet coke does have nasty things in it but sugar isn't one of them.

Nutrasweet/Aspartame is possibly linked to MS-like symptoms. Another one of those wild controversial reports where you don't know who to believe.

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Originally Posted by SadieKate

Nutrasweet/Aspartame is possibly linked to MS-like symptoms. Another one of those wild controversial reports where you don't know who to believe.

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Yup, that's what the docs thought was going on with my mom, until she went to a diabetes specialist who asked the all important question: how much diet soda do you drink?

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Originally Posted by KnottedYet

There's also the behavioural aspect, like one study that had folks who ordered giant diet sodas also ordering giant burgers and fries (thinking it was ok, cuz after all they are cutting out calories from the soda, so some extra fries can't hurt, right?)

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I can attest to that. Back in the day I was a cook (that was waaaaay back) the number of orders of "I'll have the quiche, cheesecake, side order of onion rings, giant fudge and brownie sundae ... oh, and a diet coke" :rolleyes:

I just look at the ingredients and "oh, that can't be good for me" :rolleyes:

Well, I can't I'm pure even though I dislike soft drinks of any sort...am a coffee (at work because it's free) and tea(because it's cheaper) drinker at home.

Back to the cleansing and constipation bit...always good to have a balanced diet of healthy fibre and liquid from the food groups, fat-free, sugar-free.

If I haven't had veggies or whole fruit for a few days, I feel quite "off".

And there is a rule of thumb...to eat approx. feeling 80% full. Unfortunately, many of us, including myself broke that rule for past few weeks.

The human body is an incredible complex machine. It's incredible there are multiple different processes go on inside us right now --for thinking, feeling, breathing, food processing,.... and alot of those microprocesses work on a particular internal clocks/frequencies that we can't begin to replicate all of these processes in an artificial body.

Mindboggling.