Emergency ID

I've pit tagged fish, and they didn't seem to have issues. But fishies generally don't live to be 80. Same tags are used in pets - which helped bring down the cost for us fisheries biologists, we were down to one company that made the chips and scanners. Got to love the laws of supply and demand.

That said, I don't want to be micro-chipped. I think that tracking ability is too George Wellian for me.

Edit - we did put a chip in someone's butt tho - involved being bored in camp, bottom of the Grand Canyon, many moons ago. I believe alcohol was also involved. I think if you ran the tag he'd come up as a Humpbacked Chub (native fish of Arizona).

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Originally Posted by Veronica

He also said that they never check cell phones for ICE because they could be bombs and you don't really know who is getting called.

I don't really like to wear either necklaces or bracelets, but I guess I'll have to suck it up.

V.

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I have the wrist one and b/c my writs and ankles are small, it'll fit either way.

Good point on the cellhones being bomb detonators and not use the ICE#'s. I always consider that w/ terrorist activity in foreign countries. jenn

strikes me that I've heard something about chipping a person's credit info into their wrist/arm area so that a person could just wave their arm over a scanner to pay for things.......

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Originally Posted by Eden

strikes me that I've heard something about chipping a person's credit info into their wrist/arm area so that a person could just wave their arm over a scanner to pay for things.......

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Yeah, well, that sounds a bit more handy than having a chip in your butt... :D :D (sorry, couldn't resist)

I'll be the first to line up to be "chipped" once we can ensure that the data is encoded to be universally read and in the same format, and that the RFID won't set off the security alarms at the mall!!!

As for the cell phone: what baloney! I have worked in seven different hospital emergency rooms and we look for ID and cell phone on ALL trauma or unconscious people. And we use ICE. "It's a bomb" rationale is ridiculous and just a scary story. It costs nothing for you to do, YES emergency workers use it and look for it, so why not? Can't hurt, might help.

More and more ERs are getting savvy to the Road IDs, but they still look for traditional ID before they inspect "jewelry" that they may or may not need to take off when they check you out. If you have a trauma team that has never seen it before, you may get it passed over (sounds dumb but it's true, your vital signs are way more important than what your anklet says).

If you can carry traditional ID *on your person,* do it. If not, Road ID is the next best thing! (I like the tattoo idea too!!!)

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Originally Posted by bmccasland

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That said, I don't want to be micro-chipped. I think that tracking ability is too George Wellian for me.
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I've been somewhat hesitant to say this because its tad too politcal and too sensitive but... against my better judgement here goes.

The thought of being tagged does not sit will with me.
The benefits are quite obvious so needs no explanation.

Detriment is not so obvious. The RFID can store not only your medical record, it can hold your religous affilation: Islam, Christian, Jew...
political affilation: democrat, republican, libertarian, socialist, communist...
sexual orientation: hetro, lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, other...
criminal record and much much more.

The problem is not so much about the information but HOW CAN IT BE USED? AND WILL IT BE MIS-USED. You realize, Hitler used punch cards to sort and catogorize people when they were rounding up the Jews, not to mention homosexuals, and those who were considered potentially harmful to the Third Reich. They were all rounded up wih the help of the punch cards. Many young women were forcefully sterilized because the Third Reich considered them mentally unfit or too emotional.

Today it would be implanted RFID. No need for "Sir (Madam), may see your papers/document!"

So with that in mind, I would much prefer to decide when I get incinerated than when government decide its convenient to do so. Genocide will happen again. Its still going on strong in other parts of the world.

if its too offensive I will remove my post.
Smilingcat

Not offensive, but I think there's a difference between voluntary storing of one's own medical information and a government-mandated individually-inaccessible/unchangeable tagging system.

No one, I think, is advocating the latter.

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Yeah, well, that sounds a bit more handy than having a chip in your butt... :D :D (sorry, couldn't resist)

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I feel like I have that butt chip every time I walk into our office area. The doors have locks activated with prox cards that all employees carry. Sensor box is mounted at butt level, card is in wallet, wallet is in rear pants pocket, backing up to door/sensor opens lock. I once had a friend try to feel me up to figure out how I opened the door. Good thing she was a friend and she was feeling too high. :eek: :D

In terms of carrying ID on the bike, if your wallet fits in your pants pocket, it's very easy to transfer your wallet from your pants pocket to your jersey pocket when you ride. Then you've got all the ID, insurance cards, credit cards, cash, etc with you.

Just a little note about RFID. The medical records are not stored in the chip. Only the identifying information that gives access to the medical records located somewhere else is stored there.

That said, whoever said they would never want to be chipped because of all that scary "show me your papers" stuff....I guess we'll be disappearing off into the woods together! I started getting worried about that kind of stuff when they started being able to track your purchases at the grocery store through your shopper card, and connect it through your debit card to your bank account. (It's indirect but it's there.) When I REALLY got worried was when computers got powerful enough to manage all that data on everyone in the country just from one itty bitty laptop.

Kroger used to know when I last bought tampons. (Think China and forced birth control.) I don't use shoppers cards.

Karen, not usually conspiratorial, but why take chances?

I have the Ankle road ID and I like it. Like Smilingcat I put it on my handlebars everytime I finish a ride so its there and I don't have to look for it.
I never even notice it when its on. I've also used it in a pinch to secure my wheel from spinning on the car bike rack :D