Alabama bans Cycles Gladiator wine

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Originally Posted by Crankin

Thread drift: Shootingstar, your comment about questioning why you were part of a literature program that used a lot of religious/biblical allusions brought back a memory of a course I took in the 80s. After I got my master's in special ed, I took some summer courses to get certified in English. One was in American lit before 1850. I swear, I didn't get half the stuff the professor was discussing because it was all New Testament allusion. Although I wasn't an English major, I did have a minor in the subject, and I felt prepared when I started. One day, during a break I was feeling miserable and struck up a conversation with another student, and I discovered she also was not Christian and felt the same way.

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Wish I had taken the time to seek out a fellow classmate in same boat of shared misery, but our English lit. classes were sufficiently large and overwhelmed with reading assignments, etc., I just didn't bother making the effort. I even tried to consider treating the bible what one of the English lit. profs. Northrop Frye lectured on and did write as a scholarly work, "Bible as Literature" . To read and analyze the Bible purely as a series of interconnected stories. I gave up somewhere after Genesis. :o After all, so many other required texts to conquer for courses.

Hence, Milton's "Paradise Lost" didn't pack the same powerful impact on me as I'm sure for others who knew their Bible well. Had I not gone to Sunday school classes for 4 years as a child, I would have been truly lost.

If discussion on the Bible seems so esoteric...just look at all the great English language literary works pre-Victorian and all the Western art (which I love looking at), great music prior to Romanticism, how much biblical allusions there are. To appreciate some of the stuff, one needs to understand abit of cultural background.

Ok. There is a connection to cycling. :o If there were times I felt I was one of the rare cyclists at work, that is absolutely pale in terms of feeling marginalized, compared to other life situations. :D

I get it....

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Originally Posted by PamNY

I agree with Mr. Silver about the Confederate stuff.

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A memorial to honor dead soldiers? What's wrong with that? They were people. They were someones brother or son. Just because you don't agree with a "small and contrary viewpoint" as MS puts it, doesn't mean there should be no memorial.
It's part of this country's history.

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Originally Posted by uforgot

Thanks Zen. Way to drag Missouri into it.

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Honestly, I wondered is there no statue of Lady Justice. Ashcroft is an aside.

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Originally Posted by Zen

A memorial to honor dead soldiers? What's wrong with that? They were people. They were someones brother or son. Just because you don't agree with a "small and contrary viewpoint" as MS puts it, doesn't mean there should be no memorial.
It's part of this country's history.

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No, this one isn't a memorial to honor dead soldiers - it's a defiant, pistol raised general on a horse in honor of the confederacy. Initially, it also had a billboard stating that "The South will Rise Again"

But decide for yourself if you think that Nathan Bedford Forrest, surrounded by a ring of confederate flags is a memorial to him...and if the fact that it's made out of low cost fiberglass, rather than stone like HIS other monuments, is intended to make a low cost point...or memorialize him is not for me to know(the accompanying billboard is not pictured here...)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/10053751.jpg

It's not a historic item...it's been there just a few years.

Sorry for the hijack!

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Originally Posted by Mr. Silver

No, this one isn't a memorial to honor dead soldiers - it's a defiant, pistol raised general on a horse in honor of the confederacy.

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We have a whole street of those. But I must say, it's a beautiful street.

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Originally Posted by skinimini

I remember the Jolly Ox restaurant--I had my first adult beverage there (actually several). When were you there?

I was raised in Birmingham until I left for college. I graduated from Berry High School in 1975. No family there at all now. I have quite a few stories as well (and fond memories). I'm so proud of being a southerner now, but in the '70s I wanted nothing more than to rid myself of the southern accent.

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I'm proud to be from the NEW Alabama too! But I never did, nor do I now, have an accent.

I went to John Carroll, Silver went to Homewood, SilverSister went to Berry and would have overlapped you there. I worked at Jolly Ox in '79ish and then at the Eckerd Drug store right across the parking lot for a couple years as well.

Y'all do realize That Nathan Bedford Forrest was also instrumental in another organization? and he's not on Monument Ave in Richmond, but Arthur Ashe is...
it does seem like a lot of civil war history has been hijacked for "other uses":(