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Welcome and Happy New Year, Mr. Silver! I'm behind you all the way, cheering you on! I hope you (and I) can both attain our goals for 2007.
As for me, I'm with you bikerchick - I don't worry about weight or BMI - I know what size I want to be and I feel good when I'm there. I let my clothes be my guide. (and right now I'm not there :confused: )
welcome Mr Silver! So what happens if all our dh's want to sign up? We can call them Team testosterone! The T T's. I am cracking myself up! Any way welcome and right on with trying to get yourself in better shape. you sound like you will do it. But we are always here. Hey maybe you should go to the "getting to know you" thread we send everyone else new there.
Mimi I choked on my coffee reading this. I think we have the same scale. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mimitabby
You are right, it is quite accurate for weight, unfortunately. *sigh*
I doubt that half the DH's out there are man enough or secure enough in their manhood to hang out on this forum. :eek: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandi
I'm 5'7" (barely) with a wife who's 5'8"...I had to become secure in my masculinity a long time ago... :) :)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Are you rounding up again? :p
Luv ya!
PS: you did great at dinner tonight!
Yes Dear, I'm rounding up.
For the record, I'm 5' 6 15/16" tall...not 5'7"
Mr. Silver- what are your caloric goals for each day? Are you aiming for 1200 calories? 1400 calories? Etc.?
How many times a day are you eating?
I looked at your food logs, and I strongly encourage you to start toying with different foods.
The calories you spend on eating rice, could be used elsewhere on something that is more nutritious, less calories, and fills you up more.
The key is learning what low calorie foods fill you up.
I eat around 1800 calories a day, 6-7 times a day, and I never feel hungry. It's hard to stay on a healthy eating plan, if you are hungry all the time.
I'm not an expert by any means... and maybe I just found what works for me.... but I'm not hungry and I lose weight.
PS- Go to www.calorieking.com, to get the calories for what you eat out.
You logged this meal incorrectly: 1 Wendys Chicken Caesar with only 1 dressing about 310 cal.
It was really 540 calories. Now, that's with the croutons and dressing.
200 missed calories in a day can really add up and equal not losing the weight you are expecting to lose... and discourage you.
On the upside though, you may have miscalculated the Arby's sandwhich. A regular roast beef Arby's sandwhich is only 320 calories, vs the 420 you logged.
KSH, I am hungry a lot. I don't have a weight problem, but I have noticed the last year or two that I can eat all day easily and then I could develop a weight problem. What is it that you eat that keeps you from being hungry?Quote:
Originally Posted by KSH
Let me preface this by saying... that by "not hungry" I mean that my tummy isn't growling loudly and I'm not getting mean because I need food.Quote:
Originally Posted by mimitabby
Sure, at times there is a small rumble, but nothing that I can't ignore. When it's time to eat, I am ready to eat, but I'm not starving. I also tend to go to bed with a little rumble in the tummy- and I really think this is the *key* to it all.
Well, for each person, it's different.
For example, I found out that eating a bagel with PB lasted about 1 hour, and I typically had a dip in my sugar levels after eating one. It was around 400 calories, and not sticking with me.
So, I now eat 2 packages of low sugar oatmeal, at around 320 calories. Sticks with me and fills me up. Much better choice.
That works for me, but maybe not for someone else.
I also know that fruit tastes yummy, but my calories are better spent elsewhere. For the same calories as a large bananna, that won't stay with me longer than 30 minutes... I can get a Kashi Chewy Trail Mix bar that will stay with me for close to 2 hours.
It's really a matter of trial and error and seeing what works and what doesn't. For me, the key when shopping is looking for items with low calories, high protein, and some carbs. Low carb dieting doesn't work for me at all. Just makes me really dizzy all day.
I have found a lot of yummy items that are low in calories, and fill me up.
Good luck!
Thanks KSH...Silver chastised me earlier for maintaining a starvation level of intake. So, as always, when my wife speaks, I jump...particularly when she gives me permission to eat!
As to calorie counts...The MEDIUM Arby's is 420 calories...the regular is less.
On the Wendy's salad, you're right...I think I picked up the weigh in grams (350), not the calories...ooops...how convenient.
Keep the accountability coming...keep me honest...keep me healthy
I also looked at your food logs, and saw too much rice and meal replacement bars, and too little home cooked meals. Try to up the protein AND vegetable content. Veggies are great to fill up with, low cal, and good for you. I am concerned that this is not a diet you can follow for life, which is what you need for long term success. Silver is slim so obviously she is doing something right. Why not eat the same food as her, and just moderate your portion sizes when in uber weight loss mode? Its easy to count calories in homemade food. Just add up the calories of the ingredients divided by the number of portions. Some computer programs (I use balance log) even let you enter entire recipes and then do all the calculations for you. Also, you can't react every much to daily changes in weight, its the weekly and even monthly changes that have meaning. For those of us that are slow losers daily weigh ins can be discouraging, but one good suggestion I read is to average your daily weigh ins each week, and then plot those averages as a function of time in a spreadsheet, and you should see changes over a period of months.
You ladies are wonderful!!!! He actually listens to you all when you say the same things that I've been telling him for years! Thank you! And now I don't have to worry that I'm nagging him. :)
I found a delicious hot cereal that cooks in only 10 minutes and a large serving fills me up ALL MORNING, for like 5 or 6 hours. Bob's Red Mills 7 grain cereal:
http://www.bobsredmill.com/catalog/i...&product_ID=18
They have the 12 grain variety as well, but that has more corn which I don't really want.
I just love Bob's 7 grain, and it keeps me from getting hungry again for a lONG time. It's WAY more nutricious for you than just rice...
I eat it every other day or so. Sometimes I cut up a banana on top. I think whole grains tend to keep you from getting hungry again right away, ...plus they keep your plumbing working well! :cool:
I do love steel cut oats and Irish oatmeal, etc, but they tend to take too long to cook for my liking.
are they really whole or are they ground up? if they're whole you could let them sprout for 24-48 hours and they'd be even better food to eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.
Mimi,
The red mills cereal is roughly ground.
In food labels, "whole grain" simply means that they use the whole (entire) grain in the product- the whole grains can be ground, as in this cereal. Like "100% whole wheat" bread- they do grind the whole grains in order to make the bread.
Happily, I haven't had any of this cereal sprout out my ears yet. :D
Lisa,
Red Mills has a scottish oatmeal made with whole grains that is roughly ground. It's great with dried berries thrown in and a little honey, stays with me for a long time and cooks up in 10 min like the other cereal you mentioned.
I'm sensitive to wheat (not celiacs or full on allergic) and I have no problems with this cereal.
Everyone has contributed some great food suggestions. I've really enjoyed reading this thread.
Any tips for "learning" to eat hot cereal? I know it's benefits but I simply can NOT stand the texture - oatmeal makes me gag. As does cheesecake, tapioca, rice pudding, etc. Can this be learned or do I just have to find muffin/bread recipes that I can add the oatmeal too or find cold cereals with the same types of ingredients?
spread it on bread? :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mtbdarby
I also had to learn how to eat hot cereal. It all started when I got a triathlon coach. At that time I didn't eat breakfast at all, just a latte in the morning then a mid morning snack usually. She insisted on breakfast, ie threatened to give me the boot if I didn't start to eat breakfast. When I told er that most morning foods make me nauseated she suggeted instant oatmeal with yogurt and berries or other fruit mixed. I found that the coolness of the yogurt and the chunkiness and solidness of the add-ins kept my nausea at bay. Eventually I learned more about glycemic indexes and healthier food and decided that instant oatmeal is not a good choice, so I tried the Scottish Oatmeal I mentioned above and I was fine with it. Maybe I got used to the texture, maybe I've just changed. I don't know. I still have lots of add-ins. I buy dried berries from Trader Joes - blueberries are my favorite - and sometimes I still add yogurt if I want something cooler and refreshing.
So that's my anecdote. There is absolutely no scientific basis for this method and you might end up gagging it all up just the same but I hope it gives you some ideas.
I have an unusual way of eating oatmeal. I mix dry oatmeal (not instant oatmeal) into cottage cheese (fat free) and then mix in a little sugar free strawberry jam for flavor. I don't like hot oatmeal either.
What is Scottish oatmeal? And am I reading that right - you made hot cereal and added yogurt and berries to the cooked cereal?
Silver, now that might work. I could try that one.
How does heated grapenuts fare on the healthy chart? I can eat that if I slice up some apple and add it after the cereal heats up.
I've done pretty much the same thing with plain lowfat yogurt instead of the cottage cheese. It's delicious, and not just for breakfast--a nice afternoon pick-me-up, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver
Glad to hear there are other raw oatmeal affecianados out there. I mix up oatmeal (thick cut, extra chewy is best) with walnuts, cashews, raisens and some ground flax seed to eat with my yogurt in the morning. Solid, satisfying and is good for my cholesterol levels.
But I have been known to take flack from some--e.g., "That *might* be good if you cooked it up with milk and served it with brown sugar and cream"....sigh....just steps to take something that is low fat, healthy and satisfying and up the fat content and reduce the health level.
OK, here's the rest of the story:
My commute is 120 miles one way...I live in two cities...
Home cooking? Not an option...I am willing, but have no time.
So, I need quick, easy, nutricious.
Silver and I discussed me simply stopping and buying fresh veggies on the way home each night. But, would that give me protein?
I love Kashi Bars, Oatmeal, dried fruits...but if a lot of time is required for prep...it's just not in the cards for me. I honestly detest veggies, but I'm willing to try adding more to my diet...probably steaming them in the rice cooker that no one wants me to use:)
So, what to do??:confused: :confused: ??
Mr. Silver, we are oddly similar (in a good way). For portable protein I like raw nuts - almonds, filberts, walnuts, cashews, etc. If you have an insulated cooler you could bring yogurt, cottage cheese, etc. Raw carrots are a staple for me. I can eat raw broccoli and cauliflower to. A little ff dip is good with that but hard to do whilst driving. My fav? Raw sugar snap peas!
For a special I-feel-like-a-kid treat: core an apple and fill it with a mixture of peanut butter and raisins. Yummy!
And you're just a hair taller than me but you have a cooler car.....:D
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Originally Posted by Bad JuJu
I do the same thing with vanilla soy milk (Silk is one only brand I like). Dried fruit, like cranberries or blueberries, 1/2 cup old fashioned oats, 1 packet of Splenda, cover with the soy milk and let soak in the fridge overnight. I take this to work and eat it at my desk with my cup of Morning Thunder tea. Yum :D . I never get tired of it and it really does get me through the morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver
[[Warning: I am vegetarian and sometimes a bit rabid]]
Protein, schmo-tein! :-) Seriously, eating a balanced diet that contains nuts, whole grains, legumes, and veggies will provide the average couch potato with sufficent protein--even with no meat in the picture. Hey! I warned you :-)
Now, if you work out significantly, you may need more than just a balanced diet will give you. Since I have high cholesterol (yep, even without eating meat--I got really bad genes), upping our cheese intake wasn't a real option. Instead we've done things like adding TVP to our spaghetti sauce, tossing nuts into stir fries and cereals, and added blocks of tofu to some of our soups.
But, I don't think we felt ourselves low on protein until we were riding upwards of 100 miles/week and then only after rides of 50-60miles. Of course, this is only my opinion and I don't lay claim to be anything more than an amatuer when it comes to nutrition.
Keep the ideas coming...I think I'm getting the message, but I grew up in Alabama, so I'm not real quick on the uptake...
So, what I'm hearing is:
- it's not the number of calories, it's the composition
- carb calories are bad- protein and fiber calories are best
Am I starting to understand or am I still missing something?
I need to go read the label on Pepperidge Farm Milano Cookies...that MUST be good:eek:
Grape Nuts are good (man, I miss them), but keep in mind that they have a lot of calories so you really need to watch your portions. Measure it every time.
I LOVE oatmeal, but now I can't eat it because it makes me sick. :( I have been trying to adjust to quinoa, but it is not the same texture.
I know what it's like to be on the go and dieting because I workout before work 2-3 days a week and 2 nights a week I go straight from work to another activity.
The key is planning. If you wait until you're hungry and driving home and you have nothing with you, then you're going to be far more tempted to grab some fast food. If you have prepacked and planning for this occassion, then you're set and it'll be easier to resist temptation. Try to have a super secret craving food with you, too. When you're starving and passing McDonald's, some baby carrots aren't going to do it. But peanuts or baked potato chips or a small portion of whatever food you love might.
Mint Milano's don't have any calories if they're broken:D If you get a hankerin' for something sweet, and you can have one without eating them all, try a square of dark chocolate with at least 60% cocao in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Silver
This is totally true. Only one or two little squares of that stuff will satisfy your cravings. (by squares, I don't mean BARS!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by mtbdarby
Let me clarify....Mr. doesn't commute every day. We have a condo there. He stay there during the week. And comes home on the weekends. This week he has been working from here mostly. He does that occasionally.
And now to you, Hubby! I don't agree with carbs are bad calories. You need carbs to exercise! The key is that you need balance. Always balance carbs with protein. And choose your carb calories well. Meaning, choose carbs that have some benefit (vitamins and nutrients) and a lower glycemic index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index
For instance, I often snack on frozen blueberries and strawberries for their high antioxident value. Both blueberries and rice have carbs but the blueberries have more nutrient value.
Another thing is that, you know that I study the nutrient and calorie content of all the fast food p0laces that we go to to find out what's best. It would be good for you to do that too.
Mr, I think that you might really benefit from learning more about vegetarianism (did I spell that right).
Mr. Silver please listen to Mrs. Silver. She is wise. :)
I just want to say one thing, and it's not a comment on anything anyone has said so far, just a general thought that I try to keep in mind myself-
I'm not sure it's realistic to expect a guy to suddenly start eating nuts and berries and carrot sticks and yogurt as main meals when he's spent a lifetime eating completely differently. Yes, we need to make CHANGES in what we eat and how much we eat. But if we had put on extra weight slowly over a period of several years due to bad eating choices, we can hope to make reasonable changes and thus tip the scales in the other direction, SLOWLY losing that weight we had slowly accumulated.
The idea is to make permanent changes to your eating style, not go on a "diet". The very word "diet" seems to carry a stigma with it of self-deprivation. In contrast, small changes are much easier to incorporate naturally and permanently into your lifestyle. If we find success with a few small healthy changes, then we are inspired to try more. This has worked fairly well for me. Diets are hard to stick to and can feel more like suffering. I'm sure most of us agree with this concept anyway. :)
Small choices add up over time: one less teaspoon of sugar in your coffee, less butter, less or different dressing, a salad on the side instead of french fries, yogurt with fresh fruit instead of ice cream and/or pie for dessert, a banana instead of a donut, a second helping of green beans with dinner instead of another piece of bread, a glass of water instead of a can of soda, a granola bar for a snack instead of that bag of chips, etc etc.
Keep up the good work and the enthusiasm, Mr Silver! :)
P.S. I love the title of this thread- I crack up every time I read it.
Well, I would not agree with what you have said above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Silver
I eat only by calories. Now, when I first started logging my calories, I analyzed the protein and fat, and figured out that what I eat is healthy, and I meet my requirements daily. I do not pay attention to carbs. I did try to eat lower carbs, and it just made me really dizzy and miserable all day long.
The truth of the matter is that if you aiming for low calories, healthy and filling food... you tend to get the rest of it balanced out. Now, if you eat 1600 calories a day in fast food, you probably are NOT getting a good balance of carbs/protein/fat.
The key here is that you eat food you enjoy and can eat daily. Like Lisa said... this can't be a "diet". This has to be a lifestyle... and new way of eating and looking at food.
I'm not going to tell you it will be easy. I have been eating "heathly" for about 10 years now, and it wasn't until a few months ago that it really clicked. Don't get me wrong.. I still love pizza, Mexican food, etc... I just eat it in moderation... and I enjoy eating the healthy food I eat daily. It's all about finding a balance... and really "bad for you food"... being seen as a treat... not a common occurance.
OK, take a hard look at what you are consuming... and ask yourself if you really LIKE eating it and does it FILL you UP?
If you don't like it or if it doesn't stick with you... toss it and try something else in it's place... that has the same amount of calories. You really have to enjoy what you are eating.
For example, you ate 300 calories of rice cakes. Did you love those rice cakes? Were they yummy? Did they stick with you? If not... ditch them. Go try other bars out there. I can just about bet that you will find something that is easier and healthier for the same amount or less calories.
PS- Mojo bars... YUMMY! I get a sweet treat daily with these (some have chocolate chips and peanut butter chips in them!)... and they are only 200 calories and 10 grams of protein.
If you can switch to many small meals a day, you will be A LOT happier. I eat every 2 hours. I eat before I get hungry, so I don't feel deprived or like I need to "pig out" to make the hunger go away.Quote:
made a huge mistake eating my 'breakfast' at about 5AM...made it nearly impossible to get to lunch without serious cravings and hunger. Then I waited too long and likely exceeded my target consumption because I was so hungry. Smaller, more frequent meals are what I need.
By looking at how many calories you want to consume a day, you can then space out your meals according to calories. Here is how I do around 1800-2000 calories a day (I don't nit-pick to the exact count anymore):
8:00 AM, 220 calories
10:00 AM, 320 calories
Workout from 11-12 ish
12:30 PM, 300-400 calories
2:30 PM, 200-350 calories
5:30 PM, 200 calories
May workout from 6-8 ish
8:00 PM, 300-450 calories
No that's not it at all. Again, listen to your wife. She gets it! It is about calories, but different foods make it easier to stave off hunger and be satisfied on a reduced calorie diet. For many of us, too many high glycemic carbs, not balanced with protein, make us hungry a few hours later. For example, if I eat a subway sandwich for lunch, I will get hungry again in the afternoon, but if I eat a grilled chicken salad (dressed with a little olive oil and vinegar), it will hold me until dinner. But, if I don't eat enough carbs, I'll have trouble exercising, so I target the timing of eating my carbs to support my cycling. Veggies help fill us up, and give us the nutrients we need without consuming a lot of calories. You need to listen to your body, and learn how it reacts to differernt kinds of foods, as KLH suggested in an earlier message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Silver
I've read and noted every comment posted on this and am learning alot (including an affirmation of what my lovely wife has been preaching for years!). So, let me go on the record saying something that I've not often said:
Silver Darling, you are right :p :p :D :D
OK, so why will you be proud of me?
Arriving at Home #2 tonight, I braved a severe rain storm, without umbrella, to stop at Kroger (no excuses due to the weather)to get:
-1 crown of broccoli-a handful of snap beans-a small can of chicken meat
I came home and used my new RICE cooker to steam my veggies while I exercised (20 minutes) and visited with a neighbor.
Then I sat down to a sumptuous, healthy repast! Wow! It was great! And it only cost $4.30!
:) Are you proud of me? Am I getting the message?:)
Do I get a SILVER Star!
A lovely meal! Good going! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Silver
Also, on the rice front. Since you obviously like rice, eat whole brown rice, not white. Since it's a whole grain, it has extra fiber and nutrients, and will stick with you longer than white rice. Just make sure to eat veggies and protein (like chicken or fish) along with the rice so that you're getting some protein and more vitamins, minerals, and fiber along with the rice carbs.
Lots of good advice here, and you're a great sport for listening to all us gals and for actually changing based on what you're hearing. Best of luck in your lifestyle change and weight loss goals!
Emily
A big silver STAR for Mr. Silver!!!
I totally agree with Lisa (not that any else is wrong, but this approach should *work*)
When DH and I found we had gotten depressed and packed on more weight than we thought (never get depressed in a house with no scale and no full length mirror!); we started small....change one habit, get it to stick, move on to another. Our start was carrot sticks for a morning snack. Eventually I realized the glycemic index was all wrong, but it was still a good start. Little bits at a time, get used to what you are doing, get comfortable with it, then add something new to your routine.
When we get a chance to cook, we cook a big batch of something, then freeze individual sized containers. Over the years the containers have gotten smaller for both DH and me. We aren't exactly counting calories, but we are trying to reduce our portion sizes which will definitely mean less calories.
Remember the 80/20 rule. Be absolutely as healthy as possible 80% of the time, and 20% of the time eat what you like. Eventually, as Lisa and KSH both said, you'll so enjoy your healthy food and be used to not being overfull, that even the fun foods you usually avoid will be a nice little enjoyable snack and you won't even want to overdo it!
Of course, for me, now suddenly I have to figure out what I *can* and *can't* eat. I was loving sugar snap peas every morning, but I suspect it aggravates my Crohn's, so I gave them up. A friend just recommended a naturopath who really helped him with changing his diet for a similar condition, so I'm hoping that will help figure out which foods are triggers. Once I know what I have to avoid and what I can eat, I will be all over it!!
And exercising while the veggies cooked - that is true multi-tasking! Way to go! Tonight I rode the bike on trainer for 33 minutes while I helped DH study for his test tomorrow. A perfect combination.
Keep going, man, you can do it!
~T~