Okay - I have a question about the Shebeest S-Pro shorts: how low do they sit in front? I have 2 pair of SSS, and they are as low as I'd go - I have a long torso, and some of my jerseys just barely meet the shorts. I hate that! Nobody needs to see my 45 year old midriff. From a review I read about the S-Pro, they sound even lower. On the other hand, I just got a pair of Shebeest Pro Splice shorts, and I really like them. They're actually a tad higher in front than the SSS. And I LOVE the lack of grippers (they stay put, no problem) - I ordered them online, so it felt like a risk in many ways, but the price was right. Anyway, the problem with the Pro Splice is the color of the splice panel - a nice blue, but will clash with some jerseys (although it matches one almost perfectly). If the S-Pro fit is similar to the Pro Splice, I'd consider them in the future, for an all-black version.