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Originally Posted by ny biker
Actually, I'm proud of Landis. I believe him when he says that he has to get it off his conscience. He's lately been working with underprivledged at risk kids, and it's my belief that he knows he can do no good with them unless he quits lying. And, trust me, he's about to be crucified publicly. Much like Greg LeMond who spoke out against blood doping and has lost most of his business and been dragged into ruinously expensive lawsuits. I'm proud of LeMond too.
In the AMGEN Tour, Dave Zabriskie is wearing the yellow jersey and Levi Leipheimer is right at his heels. Two of the individuals Landis named. Folks are NOT going to be happy.
This month's copy of Bicycling magazine has Armstrong mentioned 60 times.
There is enormous money behind the scenes: Trek, Oakley, fi'zik, Radioshack...so many others.
Then we get to Lance's work with cancer research and his foundation. And we have to ask ourselves if the good that comes out of blood doping outweighs the bad. Incredibly tough moral/ethical landscape to navigate. But I also believe we MUST examine these issues; you and me, the ordinary people. And I insist that we must inform ourselves dispassionately: read, read, read; examine sources, and think, reason our way through.
On Sunday I stood with crowds in my small sweet town of Auburn as we watched the AMGEN tour race through. I whistled for Fabian Cancellara and team SaxoBank. I had tears in my eyes as I took in all the little children wearing jerseys and helmuts, dressed like their heroes to cheer the race, waving American flags.
Blood doping is the destruction of this sport and will ultimtley turn it into no more than pro wrestling.
BICYCLING MAGAZINE this month has an article about amateurs injecting steroids to win over a pair of socks. (Yeah, I know it's not the socks, it's the ego, but it's a compelling read.)
What gets me about blood doping is that a rider still has to train just as hard, and actually, can train harder and recover faster.
Should r-EPO be legalized? What will it take to level the playing field? Should there be two standards? One for riders who train naturally and one for those who use steroids and r-EPO?
Two months ago when I started to get back into cycling, I started reading and what I found sickened me. Try googling "blood doping, cycling." For once in my life I didn't shy away from what I didn't want to know, didn't want to hear. And this was one of those times I went from being a girl to being a woman. There is doping and it is terrible.
Getting back to Landis who "drank the kool aid," got caught, tried to bluster and lie, and utimately told the truth. Now watch the show as he gets his skin flayed off. Whoosh.
I'm such a coward I'm debating whether I can post this.
As Bob Newhart said, "I make a motion that we face reality."
NOOOOOO I believed him too!!!!! I really really did :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekTheKaty
I checked it out of the library, BUT I still believed him. I am so sad!!!
AMP of course you can post !
Lance could have been a hero without the dope. Maybe he wouldn't have won so many times.
Excellent point. So maybe Landis shouldn't have been stripped of the TDF win. He beat all the other dopers fair and square. He just got caught because he was the winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMP
I do realize that the whole sport is corrupt. I think the public was naive to think they could clean it up all in one year. I believe Lance is innocent, too. I was hoping he came back to prove he could race against all the "newer, cleaner" riders. But maybe it's all a joke on us.
I also experienced a local bike race, where there was a kids race during the intermission. Little boys and girls in their (at the time) Discovery "kits" throwing elbows just to get to the start line. How do we explain that to the kids? I don't know.
I'd go back to Nascar, but they just threw out Jeremy Mayfield. Apparently, there's more than moonshine and "black gold in them-there-hills".
I am just posting again because I am still so upset! :mad::mad::mad:
Another article here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/...BvcnRsYW5kaXM-
"These guys coming out now with things like this from the past is only damaging the sport," McQuaid told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Thursday. "If they've any love for the sport they wouldn't do it."
"What's his agenda?" McQuaid said. "The guys is seeking revenge. It's sad, it's sad for cycling. It's obvious he does hold a grudge."
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Originally Posted by TrekTheKaty
Same way you explain the baseball players. "They cheated because they were greedy and it's bad to cheat."
I worry more about the older kids who play sports and might be coerced by coaches to use steroids or otherwise conned into thinking they should use drugs.
Just got off the phone with my DH who was listening to the Jim Rome show on the radio (I love his show; he can translate ballsport talk so I don't sound like an idiot at any male/female social gathering. Excellent resource when no one lets you talk about horses or bikes. It's a sports call in show.)
Rome said that the wrath has already begun. He's felt it himself just by bringing doping up, not accusing anyone.
I really think that Landis knows everyone dopes, and initally felt that he shouldn't get picked on if everyone does it. Then I think he thought that because he saw how Armstrong has handled all the accusations, he could just keep denying.
His suspension is over. He could have kept his mouth shut, but like David Millar, he had to 'fess. No, he's not the class act that Millar was and he's in for a trouncing big time.
I think he thinks he deserves it. His father-in-law committed suicide during all the hoopla in '06.
There are getting to be many, many suicides and attempts in procycling. I think that these boys start out with the highest of aspirations and then succumb to "everybody's doing it." They can't take the mental pressure.
Be careful about vindicating him for "fessing up". He's had PLENTY of opportunity for that before now - in the middle of a very publicized Tour in the US. In the supposed email (posted on DrunkCyclist), there is a line to the effect that he is trying to write down in a story, everything that has happened. To me, that screams book deal.
Don't get me wrong - I was a Tyler believer for over two years, and legitimately believed Floyd too. I just don't think that he should be let off the hook now - he lied to a lot of people, including his Mennonite parents. The timing and motives are, as McQuaid said, rather suspect.
SheFly
Absolutely. When it becomes more profitable to confess than to continue to deny, confession becomes a business decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
You one-upped me in the cynic department...although I don't at all disagree with your assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenyonchris
But, as long as there is money to be made, someone, somewhere will find a way to cheat.
Lance gives his side of things:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arms...news_headlines
I wonder which reality show he's heading for?
Jonathan Vaughters also commented:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...t-clean_117464
And bikesnob nyc has a nice overview of the whole Landis affair:
http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010...n-all-you.html