Warm, purring thoughts to you and the cats. It's so hard when they're sick and can't tell you what they need.
3+ on trying a change of food. It certainly can't hurt and could help a lot.
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Warm, purring thoughts to you and the cats. It's so hard when they're sick and can't tell you what they need.
3+ on trying a change of food. It certainly can't hurt and could help a lot.
A truer word was never said...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by bmccasland
and don't give up if she doesn't go for something...Lisa got lucky and all her cats like PN food (which is really good food) but sometimes you have to try a few...they'll often give you samples....
A friend of mine whose cats were junk food junkies (think friskies) love he Orijen, and my raw fed dogs instantly gave it a tail up..
It KILLS me that the vets hardly ever even ASK what an animal is eating...and that they push the most unwholesome foods...look at the ingredients on the cans in the waiting room. And then multiply that by 2 meals a day for years and years and years...
Yes indeed. And one of those cat foods recalled because of deadly gluten from China was one of the "special" really expensive veteranarian cat foods sold for "renal health".....imagine!- paying a fortune for special "kidney health" food you buy from your vet, that actually gives your cat kidney failure! :mad: :mad: :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by elk
This China toxin recent pet catastrophe taught us all one thing- that we need to carefully look at what is in pet food we buy, and that toxins can easily be in ANY commercial food- whether bargain or "high end" (Eukanuba was also recalled for example). Read the labels. Avoid all gluten for now (both wheat and rice), and meat "by-products", be wary of wheat, and look for organic ingredients. Ugh. :(
Since the cat food scare I've been feeding my kitties Ziwi Peak - (its from New Zealand). It only has meat and fish in it - no meat byproducts, no grains period.
My cats love it (well they love the Venison and the Venison and Fish flavors, but they aren't fond of the Lamb.......) and they look absolutely fabulous on it. They are nice and fit looking with wonderful shiny fur.
I give them a little Avoderm kibble for a treat every once in a while, but I'm hearing more and more now that they don't need kibble to keep their teeth clean. A long time ago I was told to feed my cat only kibble because he had tartar. Now I hear that an all kibble diet is more harmful to their kidneys (cats don't really like to drink and should get most of their moisture through diet!) and doesn't really keep teeth clean.
I was pretty shocked when all of the stuff about the gluten came out that so many brands of cat food all came out of the same big vat - from cheap store brands to uber expensive boutique brands - they were all the same crap.
since the cat food scare my cats are eating 50% whole ground chicken. And guess who's grinding the meat! me! their other 50% is the nutro brand catfood.
I got a catfood recipe from one of the cat ladies in town; their fur has gotten sleeker and my fat cat is no longer fat.
I'm with the others, my cat had terrible allergy problems which manifested themselves with digestive nastiness, a poor appetite, weight loss and a general desire to make everyone else miserable as well. I tried everything I could think of, medications, 'prescription' foods, acupuncture... I saw dozens of vets & the thing that finally fixed her problems was high quality wet food and no dry food *whatsoever.* She simply can't tolerate it in spite of the fact that she loves it. (We brought home a sample for my other cat and she got into it... BAD news) My cats eat a combination of Wellness (Old Mother Hubbard) and Merrick foods and we've had no problems since starting them on that routine.
Both are made entirely of human-grade ingredients & if your local store doesn't carry them they should be able to order them.
Her dry treats bothered her too, but a local pet store makes a lot of treats out of pure chicken, she loves those more than any others...
Good luck & I hope that Erin feels better!
Anne
You and me, Mimi. My 4 dogs get whole ground raw chicken and turkey...which I ground myself (for many years) but now I can buy them in convenient frozen "chubs" -and this Orijen "6 fish" kibble which makes my collie shine and keeps her color really rich. Proteins, vegetables. The only grains they get are in the occasional cookie....Quote:
Originally Posted by mimitabby
Arguably, grains of any kind are filler, and not only unnecessary--they can in fact be unhealthy, to dogs and especially cats....Cats are more pure in thier carnivorous-ness. :p
Do you give them raw wing tips? Clean their teeth like nothin else...:D
I have been obsessed with dog nutrition for 15 years....it's like my hobby...!!I tend to go on and on...
My motto is get mostly food made as close to you as possible that is as whole as possible and has passed through the least amount of hands...
BTW: Eukanuba is Iams. Like Science Diet, it used to be a decent food...but not anymore.....
Elk, no i don't give them wing tips. My cats are eating the meat ground. even if i give them hearts (supposedly the tastiest part) without grinding them; they don't eat it.
So i'm also giving them high quality dry food so that they don't ruin their teeth.
I tried buying commercial ground meat pet food and none of my cats liked it.
They prefer mom's mix (me) which is all chicken, with extra hearts and livers and egg yolks. I tried freezing the whites and well, that's another story.
ah...perhaps little mousies then?? with tiny little bones..
cats are so finicky!! no matter...they are getting great food.
although kibble doesn't do much for teeth..it's like using Grape Nuts to brush yr teeth...
Poor little baby... Hope she feels better. I can't agree enough with Elk, though! Try a great food even if you have to mail order it. Commercial foods are full of unnecessary fillers that can wreak havoc on a pet's immune system. You would be surprised at how much a good food can keep your pet out of the doc's office. Good luck!
Dear BMC,
Wish your baby a speedy recovery. It is always so hard to leave them behind when they get sick. Will you be able to check in with your vet everyday?
I agree with many of you about the so called premium food. They are not. We feed wellness after I lost my big boy Murph's (my avatar) last Dec. to the tainted food. Since then we've been looking at making our own kitty food. ground whole organic chicken.
Question? I worry about salmonella, so I was thinking of dunking the whole chicken in boiling water for like 2-3minutes to kill off any surface bacteria. Then grind it up bone and all. Freeze in serving size quantity. No liver, no heart, no gizzard is what I read. And do you add anything else to their food?
Smilingcat
I so agree with you Elk on the vets and their recommendations. Similar to human doctors they don't get a lot of training on nutrition. It's a small part of their studies and Science Diet puts enough money into vet schools to make sure they're supported as being a great food. Thanks to the recent food scare more people are paying attention to what they feed and doing their own research instead of blindly taking their veterinarian's advice.
I was so thrilled when I started researching vets here after we moved. There is a clinic here that focuses on nutrition and wellness instead of just prescribing drugs. When I took my Dane in for elbow pain we discussed his diet, exercise, supplements, and options and he never mentioned Rimidyl. He's also checking for underlying problems though we're pretty sure it's a genetic thing. I'm very happy to have found them and have more options than the "regular" vet.
Hopefully we'll end up at the same ride and can chat about dogs and nutrition someday Elk. I'd really enjoy that!
Lora
Smiling Cat
If you can find a clean source for chicken I wouldn't worry too much about salmonella....When you buy ground meat, you can be getting the parts of 100 different animals, but if you grind your own, you know the source and handle it carefully, you should be fine....and YES, you need to add things. ( my friends and I who feed raw were wondering about the tainted gluten the chickens got fed....)
When a cat kills a bird or a mouse and really eats it, it will eat the whole thing..including the stomache which contains...green matter etc.
But I know a lot more about feeding dogs. I can get you some links you can trust where you can find the answers.
http://www.blakkatz.com/natural.html
http://www.fatpet.com/elvessa/natural.html ( have had long conversations with this woman...and she's got alot of knowledge and experience.)
The only good thing to come out of that tragedy is that people are re thinking what they are feeding...and the next generations of pets will be healthier.
So sorry about Murphy...:( and :mad:
gotta go walk the beasties....I'll be back..
NIcely put, IBC! I'm so glad you found a vet who will look at your dog's pain from more than one view point. I hope you will be successful!Quote:
Originally Posted by ibcycling
Where do you live? Are you here in Oregon?
Here is a book that is highly recommended by people I trust. Seems the author has a website too..
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0312358016?...6RWZC19Z194P2&