On the bus? No way. Gross.Quote:
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On the bus? No way. Gross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
Lise "On the bus? No way. Gross"
ewww, I may never ride Muni again.
Lise, following Ironman live now, I heard the comentator say something about a competitor being on his or her 20th Ironman :eek:
I am watching it via live feed on the computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trek420
BMO3 - I got the first season of Blackadder. I'll probably pick up the others. And they did have Red Dwarf - it is was in the BBC sci-fi along w/ Dr Who (yes, I'm a geek:rolleyes: ) just didn't want $70 for it right now.
8:11:56 Stadler wins!
And that Faris is a doll. What a classy young man.
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Originally Posted by Fredwina
Well then I am a geek as well. :p
Oh watch Black Adder for me. Luckily my library carries all the DVDs.
Black Adder, Black Adder. He rides a pitch black steed.
Black Adder, Black Adder. He's very bad indeed.
I also love Red Dwarf and Dr. Who. Thank goodness for PBS. :D
That was my favorite season of Black Adder. He was SUCH a sh*t!!! (kinda like House.) (BTW Hugh Laurie was in Black Adder)
and I like Red Dwarf, but didn't get to see enough of it.
Aaah! Alcohol abuse! I just dropped a whole glass of red wine on my cream colored carpet a few minutes ago. Spot Shot got it right out. Whew! I love that stuff. Works everytime. Otherwise, I'd have a very unique arrangement of the furniture in here. I'm kinda clutsy, even sober. :o
*gasp!*
PARTY FOUL!
Red wine + carpet = bad.
The carpet looks pretty good for all it's been through. I've got a nice steamer/shampooer from when I still had my dog, Cheyenne. **sniffle** Now it's me who drags stuff in on the bottom of my paws. Everytime I come in from the hot tub, I always manage to have at least 3 leaves stuck to the bottom of my feet. Of course, they aren't clean leaves so... When I get new carpet and I pull up this stuff, I can only imagine what the padding is gonna look like. :eek:
Unfortunately it's not triathletes peeing on the Muni.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Trek420
Sticking my nose in here this evening with a frog/toad question, of all things, for Nanci. I am now the proud momma of a little tree frog, and a big toad. I have had a 10 gallon terrarium that is nice and wet and growing well all fall. The other day, a little boy in my class gave me the toad and he wants me to keep it in the terrarium. I know we can find/buy crickets etc to feed him (her?) and there is definitely water in the terrarium. It would be kept in the classroom which is a coolish room temp. Would it be fair / safe to keep the critter in my room? What do they do in winter? I read a little online and want to make sure we do the right thing but my kiddos are so enthusiastic about having something more exciting than snails in the terrarium. So - have you cared for frogs/toads Nanci?
Here's a picture of him. He's partly hidden and it's a closeup but you can see the kind of environment he's in.
trying again with picture :)
http://www.ame.sd23.bc.ca/~bmarchin/frog.jpg
That's one of of the reasons I like House. It's amazing to see the amount of range Hugh can do, since, as far as I know , he was always playing a ninny in Blackadder.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnottedYet
Have you watched the new Dr who on sci-fi. It took awhile to get used to the non low budget sets. And the actor playing the doctor. Maybe I'm getting old.
Until next time:
I want to lie,
Shipwrecked and comatose,
Drinking fresh,
Mango juice,
Goldfish shoals,
Nibbling at my toes,
Fun, fun, fun,
In the sun, sun, sun,
Fun, fun, fun,
In the sun, sun, sun.
your pal ,
Debbie Lister
Before I met Mr. Salsa, I spent seven years with a guy who turned out to be your basic liar, cheater, etc. I ended that relationship just before I met Mr. Salsa, fall of ‘85. Was looking forward to a year or so of being totally alone before even thinking about any guy seriously, when I met Mr. Salsa and the sparks flew, much against our wills. On Christmas Eve the seven-year guy stopped by and gave me a present (he never could let his exes go—liked to hang on to everyone). Three hours later, Mr. Salsa stopped by and gave me a present. After he left, I cried out of sheer confusion, and then I got mad and said, “OK. I don’t know what either of YOU guys are doing, but I AM GOING TO GO TO JAPAN THIS SUMMER, SO HAHA.” ---a place I’d always wanted to go. I did, too. Went by myself, traveled around for five weeks, climbed Mt. Fuji alone, had many adventures. The day after I came down the mountain I went back to Kyoto and spent the day buying friends and relatives presents at the Kyoto Handicraft Center. That’s where I saw the wedding kimono. Didn’t have much money in those days, so I obsessed over the kimono for several hours before I finally gave in and bought it. It’s lived on the wall of wherever I’ve lived ever since.
I did use the wedding kimono for some professionally done, "sensuous" photos I sent to Mr. Salsa the following summer (he was tugboating in Alaska for six months at a time). We both fondly remember those pictures. But the wedding kimono is so huge and heavy, it never seemed like a fun wedding dress idea. When we did get married in ’91, I had had to quit ballet (fibromyalgia) and had gained a lot of weight (medication for said fibromyalgia). I knew I would either have to get very brave and buy something very colorful, or I would revert to the urge to cut a hole in a dark-colored sheet and just stick my head through it. So I bought a tropical print, sequined and beaded sort of thing from Nordstroms to get married in.
After I became a weaver and took some color classes in the late 90s, I got brave enough to mess with wall colors. We painted one wall in the living room the dark blue that you saw in the pic, and that’s where the kimono lived until this house remodel started. It will once again get a blue wall in the ochre living room, when everything’s done, as long as they’ll let me out of debtor’s prison long enough to hang it up, of course.
That photo of Rousillon—we are actually thinking of painting the entryway that green color of the shutters, with ochre trim; then you would walk from there into the ochre living room with the blue wall.
Nanci, Addy sounds as entertaining as I expected. But poor hungry girl. And good for Choco to have done his shed and eaten.
What is the #1 snake you want?
I really really want that female Nelsons Milksnake aberrant pattern. I check every few days to see if she's there. I had saved $33 toward her, but now I apparently am going to have to finance the IM Florida trip, somehow- don't ask me how, so. But she _is_ expensive, so maybe no one else can afford her either.
I call Addy "Puff Adder" sometimes. She's just contantly quietly hissing. Bad Choco was out running around last night even after his meal of _two_ the night before! But I stuck to the 48 hour rule and didn't take him out, because I had Addy to play with. Even Maize came out.
The toads are funny- I put a dish of water in the desert tort viv. They go into their "burrows" at 6PM and don't come out till late morning. The toads came out as soon as it got dark, and took turns sitting in the water like X in her hot tub! They were so cute!
KG- the toad viv looks great. Is the tiny tree frog in there too? I would worry about the toad eating him. I think that is a very suitable setup, and the toad will probably stay awake for the winter if you keep him warm and fed. If it's too cool in your room, he'll just hibernate, and you'll see him in the spring. Toads are very hardy/durable for gentle handling.
I haven't figured out who won Kona of the women.
Today I serve lunch for the OTHER Century, Horse Farm Hundred. Should be fun!
Salsa--wonderful story! Thanks for sharing it.
Nanci--Michellie Jones won Kona. She was a "short-distance" specialist--internationals and sprints. She won the silver in the first Olympic triathlon in Sydney. Then she took up IMs. She's won most of the IMs she's entered! Last year she took second in Kona, this year she won IMAZ, and now Kona. Her husband and twin sister were at the race for her--appearantly the husband cries not only at the end, but at the beginning of her races, too! :o Well, so would I.
I wrote back to ex-BF. My email was brief, friendly, and included the words, "I'm dating a wonderful guy". Ended with "take care". Punto, fin. (period. it's over.)
Off to go cheer at the marathon! I wish I had any idea what Limewave looked like, although I'm sure she'll be long past my cheering posts when I get there. Darryn's planning to finish in 6-6.5 hours. It's a long time to be out there in the chilly rain. I'm glad I did it last year.
Lise - How do you do it when the mom should NOT be having a kid?? My co-worker is set to have her 3rd child, she smoked and used "recreational pharmaceuticals" throughout the pregnancy, the sperm donor is in prison for beating her BUT they're going to work it out and he's really a good man, and people just don't understand that she loves him...:mad: Sorry for the rant but when I think of all the fine people who would do anything to have a child and just can't, and then look at this lump of human misery it just ticks me off!
I'll add to Queen's rant. How can all these politicians (like the governor of Massachusetts) go around extolling the virtues of heterosexual parenting and claiming that gay marriage is bad for kids? Don't they realize that only straight people have unintended pregnancies under bad circumstances? When gay couples go to the trouble and expense of having children, it's because they want them and love them. Sorry to go off on this topic, but I have two wonderful newphews with two mothers who are some of the best parents I have ever seen. And I got to see the 2 1/2 month old smile on Friday evening and help give them both their baths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Queen
Wow, that's a great point!Quote:
Originally Posted by DebW
It's almost 7am and it's still dark here.
I guess I'll go eat breakfast, been up since 530 and i'm hungry. I am going to manage to fit in a little bike ride i think. o darn. Hubby has my helmet in his car!!
I am going to the bike shop to pick something up for another secret friend.
Queen, aren't you in the social services folks who should know better industry? And this scum works there too? Who let her in? this must drive you batty.
Reminds me somewhat of my ex's sister, her nogoodnic husband was in jail more than out, only getting out long enough to father another kid....then right back in jail on drug charges. And ..... she would take her kids out of school to go visit him. Excuse me? Kids should not miss school unless this is considered part of their education ("kids stay in school and graduate or you'll end up like Dad here").
Postscript though not in touch with my ex I know that at least the oldest two did just that, graduated high school and now at least getting some college. Heh, maybe it worked.
And in the best interest of the children our team (How'd I forgot to have kids?:confused: ) can't have children?
DebW is right, pretty much no unplanned pregnancy on our team, these kids are planned and wanted.
The other thing that bugs me no end is every time I see some new fertility technology in the news. Just because you're infertile you still would make fine parents I'm sure.
If you just can't have kids ..... please adopt!!!
There are so many kids in foster care need a good home. Hats off to any adoptive parents out there.
I've been involved in the corporate grand pooh bah employee charitable giving campaigns a few years running and last year we were going around doing presentations in some of the offices. We had a speaker from the Black Adoption Agency (which kept their orriginal name but doesn't just do adoption and not just Black kids, they advocate for all kids in foster care system).
So we're at this garage of AT&T techs, these big tough guys (and a couple of gals) with their tool belts looking bored while the speaker's talking about the need for adoption. Till one of the techs says:
"sure, give me two"
"huh?"
"give me two kids, any two"
He wasn't kidding, there wasn't a dry eye in the house :o Other techs there decided on the spot to volunteer to take kids to games, do the big brother/big sister thing.
If I do nothing else at work .... ever, I've done that. Helped to put those two kids together with a good Mom & Dad. Though kind of laughing imagining the conversation when he got home "you're getting us WHAT?!! Couldn't you just increase your pre-tax charitable deduction?". But I hear it went well.
Queen, how're the other two kids doing? How old are they? Are the grandparents involved?
Ladies, you don't know how many times we have had this same rant at work. I have a wonderful coworker who is a lesbian and her partner would love for them to have children. They are an amazing couple, when I met them they were raising her (my co-worker) god children. The mother was a drug user, in fact she used while pregnant. :mad: They had the girls since birth and took on ones expensive medical issues without a second thought. The biological mom got mad when my co-worker turned her in and her grandparents took the kids away. I am not sure what the legal background was, but the kids are gone.
We also had a colorful debate about a co-worker who suggested he was going to marry his friend for football tickets. How insensitive when our other co-worker wants just to be viewed as a married woman like everyone else. Not to mention I put a lot of thought into the commitment of marriage and "we'll just get it annulled" didn't sit well with me.
My father was adopted at 7. Now days he would probably be a lost cause, doomed to a life of foster care. Instead he grew up middle class, loved and well taken care of. :) I bawled like a baby when I found out my best friend's mom decided to adopt a little boy that was 7. Two years later she adopted a little girl that was 5.
Aggie_Ama "We also had a colorful debate about a co-worker who suggested he was going to marry his friend for football tickets."
must_resist_the_wisecrack, at risk of closing TE TD ahh, we must protect the value of marriage.
Of course all depends on which football team and for which seats? :D
It is unbelievable what people will permit themslves to say about other people who "should not be allowed to be having kids"
My personal experience of this is around racism and "keeping the race pure". The stuff we have been told ( both from people who consider themselves liberal and educated as well as people who consider themselves upholders of family values and tradition) makes my blood boil. Especially since over the years so many these so-called normal, healthy,worthy people have split up and/or messed up their kids to the point where it is actually *us* who are the actual (de facto) upholders of "family values" like a stable loving relationship, shared family meals and education in "moral values" (basic ones like honesty and helping others).
Struck a nerve there Queen and the rest of you.
Going away for a little sniffle over past hurts....
Well he wanted to get married to his female friend in Vegas to get student tickets to UT football. He then declared "we would just get it annulled and say we were drunk." I just thought it was childish and no one should enter any marriage, contract, relationship so recklessly. My co-worker agreed. And of course I have no desire to see longhorn football, so it seemed even worse of a reason. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trek420
I'm probably going to have an odd bunch of thoughts to throw in here, but I'm good at 'odd' and maybe playing devil's advocate a little. One of my friends and her partner have a son who's about 2 and a half, the friend is a pretty well-known drug dealer and will say in the most awkward places "I can get about anything for anyone." and does business in her living room. The son was an 'accident' from the last evening her partner was with her ex (astounding how those things happen). I'm unsure of how that's going to work out.
They also have friends, lesbians, partners, who have a 7 year old son. Here is my concern. He has no real male rolemodel and he's *so sure* that men are 2nd class citizens, and that women are "perfect cuz they can do everything" that he's starting to have huge problems with his male-ness. I'm not sure if that's a stage or not, and I know gender confusion happens at an early age for a lot of kids (that's why we have transgender folks...) but I can't help but wonder.
Then there's also my ex. Dad was a great male rolemodel. He (ex) was practically raised by Mom and his lesbian "aunts" while Dad worked his butt off at work and school. Ex came out very sensitive, very knowledgeable about 'women things' and very well-centered as a guy, too.
I think homosexual folks can be great parents as long as there's consideration given toward a child's mental development. Male children, I think, need a positive male rolemodel to show them that men can be strong and sensitive- they can do everything women can do (well, almost). and I think girl children need a male influence too, just because there are studies that say a girl's relationship to her father will speak volumes about her future relationships with men. Try as we might, ladies, we might just end up having straight children! :p :rolleyes:
It's because of this degree of difficulty, the amount of effort and coordination, (and the fact that no, most people won't want to put that much work into it) that it's generally accepted as a 'bad idea' for two people of the same gender to have a child, at least in such early developmental stages.
That said, I've told DGF "Hey, if we can adopt once they're out of diapers, I'm good." ;)
She says no. :P
Hence my effort to be on better terms with my ex, also... he's a very intelligent guy, and would probably be a great role model (some day...)
I'm staying out of this.
TD is kind of our little private playground, but there are others who read this too. I'd hate to see TD shut down over trouble like my signature line caused.
la la la la la....food, wine, turtles, snakes, chocolate, Lises dates .....
Knotted, weren't you headed out to church?
I just stubbed my toe on the table. :mad:
put some ice on it.
(the toe, not the table;) )
I'm planning my first ride in 5 weeks for next weekend. I've been sick for the past month. Cold, flu, sinus infection...:(
winndance, hope you feel better soon.
what does "matchy matchy" mean? is that because your socks, match the bike, matches the valve caps, matches....
knot, too late, ice is on the table. ;)
There are good and bad parents in both camps - let's not polarize TD with this discussion and get it shut down - m'kay? ;)
Chloe and I took a 1.5 mile walk today. She is truly an insane dog. Walking across a wooden foot bridge scares her. So, we come to a part of the sidewalk, where an iron fence is making shadows on the cement. She doesn't want to walk there. Then I realize, she thinks the shadow lines are wooden slats, like on the bridge. :rolleyes: She's pretty, but kinda dumb in some ways.
Scary shadows!!
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../IMG_0484A.jpg
Scary bridge!!
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../IMG_0486A.jpg
kelownagirl -cool terrarium.
Fredwina- As much as I enjoyed Hugh Laurie in the Black Adder series, I preferred him as Bertie Wooster.
Salsa- The wedding Kimono has such a brilliant history. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Lise- How was dinner? I think your email was very well written. Do let us know how the Chicago marathon was.
Knot-you men I missed a controversial sig line. Drat!
Trek-I am sorry about your toe, I hope the ice is helping the table feel better. ;)
Winddance-feel better soon.
I am going to cuddle up under a quilt and nap with my cat, then go for a run. I feel a cold coming on and hope the extra sleep will help.
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Originally Posted by snapdragen
I am a lot like Chloe. :o I am not fond of any bridges, let alone those I can see through. I am terrified of heights! :eek:
snap, Chloe is a brave dog! Watch her conquer fear of scary shadows and bridge. :D
Bikingmomof3, thanks for the detailed wrap of of TE TD. Yes you missed TE TD controvery, I'm sure Kit knows what page it was, the sig line is gone. The table feels much better now.
Kit, add this to the TE TD TOC
kelownagirl-cool terrarium. so far there are no toads in my toad house, maybe they want something more elaborate.
Salsa- Love the wedding Kimono story "both of you, figure it out I'm off to Japan"
Winddance & BMO3 both-feel better soon. If not extra sleep the cat nap will help you and maybe the cat.
I have a problem with people who say, "If you can't have kids you should adopt, there are so many children available in foster care."
First, children in foster care are not the sole responsiblity of those who cannot conceive the good old fashioned way. Anybody can choose to adopt one of these children. I remember having this conversation with somebody no longer in my life. She learned we were pursuing treatment to conceive and she told me we should adopt. I asked her why she and herr dh were not adopting and her response was, "well we can have our own". Like that somehow exempted them from responsiblity.
Second, the foster care system in the United States has as its stated mission that the ideal resolution for a child in foster care is reunification with a parent or member of the his/her biological family. That is directly at odds with my goals - a child, a family, a permenant relationship. I have seen many, many situations where the biological mother is given chance after chance to prove that she has cleaned up her act, often dragging on for years and through second, third and forth chances. The foster parents hang in their, loving and providing for the child and praying for the day that parental rights are terminated and they can legalize the family that they have built, but then the bio mother manages to convince a judge and a social worker that this time she really is clean for good and the child gets "returned" (in quotes, since the child often has never spent significant time with the bio parent) to the "rightful" "parent" - As opposed to the people who have loved, supported, educated and card for the child.
Third, infertility is the only medical condition that people seem to judge others for pursuing. Insurance rarely covers it, which most fertile people seem to think is good as they worry about the effect on inurance rates. Family members will remark upon the waste of money and the small chance of success. Fertility patients are told, "it is just meant to be" or "perhaps God did not intend you to have children." Could you imagine if similar criteria were applied to other illnesses or disabilities? My sil had stage 4 metatastic breast cancer and continued to pursue treatment after treatment even though the chance of a cure was <2%. Insurance covered it all and nobody complained about the effect on their insurance rates. Nobody told her, "it is just meant to be," or "perhaps God just wants you to die." Nobody would dare to say to the scientists who research spinal cord injuries that they should pursue more "worthy" illnesses and that some people were just no meant to walk. Just as those suffering from other illnesses should not be condemned for seeking medical treatment, the infertile have a right to adress their disability.
Brina "I remember having this conversation with somebody no longer in my life. She learned we were pursuing treatment to conceive and she told me we should adopt. I asked her why she and herr dh were not adopting and her response was, "well we can have our own" Like that somehow exempted them from responsiblity."
owwwww, besides being insensitive I agree it also smacks of somehow that adopted kids are "not your own"
".....I have seen many, many situations where the biological mother is given chance after chance to prove that she has cleaned up her act.....then the bio mother manages to convince a judge and a social worker that this time she really is clean for good and the child gets "returned""
I agree again, I think more would adopt if it was easier here and if they did not fear that the adoption could be reversed, delayed...a good friend adopted and orphan from China and no, I don't know if fertility conditions had anything to do with it.
Their daughter is the light of their life. Part of his decision was that they could do so easier than one from here with less of a wait.
My concern is more just getting kids out of foster care system.
After a tour of this good organisation I learned it's a huge problem.
http://www.lincolncc.org
Many foster care parents do a great job, some of these kids do get adopted but then at 18 ... when foster care no longer pays these kids are basicly turned loose.
By this point they may have been in the system for years, the situation that got them there has not been resolved, they may have been passed from house to house.
I had great parents, loving supportive educated family and how hard was being 18??:confused:
Imagine how it is for those kids? what happens to them? Well, many end up in jail for one thing.
I don't think we each have to take a kid or even each have to adopt a dog from the pound ;) I hope you are able to have your child the way you want and/or find a way to use and express the nurturing energy you have in other ways.
But as a society we have to care and think about what is the solution?
Ultimately these are all our kids.
I don't think Knot's "controversial" sig had anything to do with TD. I don't remember thinking it was particularly offensive or controversial, either.
My hand smells weird. I wonder if it has somehting to do with the lunch stop...Only my left hand.
I just went grocery shopping for snakes, at Snakes.
The toads love the water dish/soaking pool. They are funny.
Working the lunch stop was fun. I cut up tons of fruit, made a bunch of pimento cheese sandwiches (we also had PBJ and hummus) and then made gallons of Gatorade.
Now I'm ready for a nap.
Oh, Snap, I used to have a horse who would jump over those white chalk lines on baseball fields. I think you can even fence in cattle with painted cattle grates- you don't even need the real thing. So Chloe is not alone in her thinking.
Hey, wait- gardening experts- I have a mini rose. Am I supposed to remove the deadheads, or leave them alone? And, does anyone know of a reason I should _not_ allow the bitter orange rootstock from my frozen tangelo to turn into a tree in its own right?
Duckin' in for some drift....
Lise: This is a memorable line worthy of a novel. I missed him a bit...but I missed him while we were dating! So no big loss. People are funny. I shake my head all the time in bewilderment.
Snap: One very cute dog. Mitzi, an English Bulldog I once had, would absolutely FREAK when we drove over bridges or got on ferries. She was such a neurotic little thug.
Trek 420: They are occasionally showing parts of Aidscycle #4 on the LOGO channel. Was that you I caught a glimpse of once or twice?!?
Salsabike: I agree with the Kimono story being especially fine. Kudos for climbing Fuji--alone :eek:
Nanci: Deadheading encourages more blooming. If it's a miniture miniture, just use care to snip and not fingernail-prune it like I do to standard teas. Rootstocks are often sturdy healthy roots from a not necessarily ornamental plant.
I love animal rescue work. I volunteered one spring north of us to care for the wildlife section. Just in time for lots of baby birds, squirrels and Opossums. I wish there was a rescue in Seattle.
Quillfred