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Something to keep an eye out for especially if hiking or biking in our priceless national parks. Shared the Reddit thread as it has contact info for the parks investigator.
http://www.modernhiker.com/2014/10/2...ational-parks/
Sad.
I guess I have mixed feelings about it. What about the petroglyphs that are thousands of years old? What about, even, the carvings from the late 1800s and early 1900s? I get the outrage, I really do. I feel it myself. But I also know that coming across the ancient or even old graffiti is very cool.
I am not a lawyer either but think there are separate laws that protect antiquities like the petroglyphs. She's going to have quite a different 15 minutes of fame then plannedQuote:
Originally Posted by Muirenn
I love learning about and photographing urban graffiti and street art. For me it’s just a part of my urban visual art experience whether its art provocation, stencil or pasted work, mindless graffiti…etc. etc.
I’ve also seen some chalk work on hard stone in Glacier NP that was both creative and executed very well. That it would disappear in a couple of rains made it even better for me. Some don’t want even that in our National Parks and I’m okay with that. Due process will happen so there may be a price to pay for an artist doing it.
I don’t know anything about Norcket except what’s in the two links. That she used acrylics may mean she didn’t think it through very well or perhaps she just didn’t care. Referring to Banksy seemed a little absurd….but again I don’t know anything about her.
I do like ‘creepytings’ as a tag name though :)
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For me this is just another sad example of the "me" generation…. a 20 something that has no concept of how her actions affect other people. Someone who only ever thinks of things in terms of themselves and what they want with no thought whatsoever to the wider implications. I think it's really quite sad and I'm glad that she's been identified and basically caught. Had it been chalk or something temporary I could see it, but that she was using acrylics and she seemed to be totally aware that she was doing something that would offend others, yet still did it, makes me disgusted and sad more than anything. Selfish little child, me, me, me, me, me me…...
As long as we remember that the term "me generation" was coined 40 years ago to describe people who are now in their 60s. Coined by a man who helped lead a cultural movement that was derided as wastrels by the generation before him. And though we don't know how old the people were when they carved their initials and dates into the sandstone 120 years ago, it's a pretty safe guess that they were young adults or adolescents at the time, too.
I hate graffiti anywhere. There was so much of it in Portugal, it obscured some really nice sites, both in the city and rural areas.
I know it's considered an art form, but it just seems like litter to me.
OK the current me generation… the one that's been so coddled and told they are wonderful, that everyone is a winner all their lives, that they haven't learned that their personal desires aren't the end all and be all to life. I can call it the "Everyone get's a trophy" generation if you'd like.
And I get equally annoyed at seeing people's initials carved into rocks/structures. I was no less ticked off at the quite large inscription proudly proclaiming that some midwest boy scout troop had stayed in the CCC shelter on the Wonderland trail in 1940 something…..
Uh, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eden
I love art, even street art and tats, but when I'm out in nature I want to see nature, not graffiti. To me this is very sad.
Thx for this reminder, Murienn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muirenn
I actually dislike graffiti in cities and out in the parks, rural area. Sorry. And I do my own art at home, so it's not as if I lack art appreciation. I photograph and my personal blog contains highlights of what I see for planned public outdoor public art, when I bike around.
I give no blog highlights to graffiti "artists". To me, it's defacement of someone else' property ...and even public property that has been paid by taxpayers. We have to spend dollars to clean it off. Worse, planned outdoor public art installations are defaced sometimes.
Some of the "style" for planned art, adopts a graffiti style.. no problems with that if the artists got permission to paint an abandoned house...which actually there was series of homes, slated for demolition. So the whole neighbourhood was turned into a funky public artsy area for a few months.
An artist for any medium, should respect the environment and property where they practice their art..
This goes on in every generation.
We all suck!
Every generation has their share of rotten apples. Leaving a mark any kind in national park stinks. Be it pile of trash, illegal fire pits/camp fire cutting of trees for fire and even graffiti art. I don't care if it was done by Dali, Picasso, Rembrant, Peter Bruelgel or even Van Gogh, painting on landscape is not acceptable.
As for graffiti of petroglyph in Southwest, they are of historical importance to archeology and to anthropologist. They have different implications than the graffiti of today. And to me, it is this difference that is the difference between acceptable and not acceptable. Same goes to ancient Greek graffiti and those in Middle East.
Now that the woman has been identified, she will find it not so fun or "art" anymore. A case I remember was from Newspaper rock in Southern Utah. Idiot carved their name, address and phone number. This was about 40 years ago and the perpetrator ended up paying a fine and clean up cost. Back then he had to cough up tens of thousands of dollars. Newspaper rock now has a chain link fence around the front so you wont be tempted to carve anything into the sandstone. Carvings in newspaper rock I believe comprises of petroglyphs dating to pre-Spaniard days so no horses. Then later petroglyphs have Indians on horses (post Spanish)
I hope she gets to spend years cleaning her stuff off in the 100+ heat, 5% humidity with UV index of 100.
grrrr!!!!
Exactly - there's problems in every generation - it's just that each time we try to solve them we simply seem to make things bad in a whole new way…. and we probably notice the ones younger than us the most. It's not that I think *every* child of the current generation has gotten sucked into believing all the rot that's fed to them about being terrific just for existing, but the ones who have… ugh the feelings of entitlement and the narcissism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muirenn
Maybe it's also the accessibility of it all too…. this is the first generation who could do something like the systematic defacement of national parks and then nearly iinstananeously proudly proclaim it to the world via a medium that millions of people can easily see…