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Do you live far or near from cycling infrastructure? Survey here. It's short. You'll see.. :)
Yellow survey button on right -hand side after you scroll down from linked pg. Yes, of course, survey results will be on blog.
People have their specific beefs and praise. :rolleyes:
Hope more from these forums will respond..we're getting more male respondents ..only because link is posted on another but more male-dominant forum.
Didn't notice it ask me for my gender, maybe a missed a bubble to push?Quote:
Originally Posted by shootingstar
I didn't see that button either. But I did take the survey... since last Summer there is a bike lane at the end of my block.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsPoet
No we didn't ask for gender.
I just made a general comment...not totally scientific. :p But plausible because I know the dynamics and have been on the other forum for a few years.
I'm finding the questionnaire to be a bit challenging. Maybe they could define "cycling infrastructure." I have a feeling that what the City of Edmonton considers to be cycling infrastructure is quite different from my own definition.
Not meant to be a totally academic exercise. As soon as stick in definitions, it maybe alot of reading for folks. :o
But results would be interesting if international in scope.
Hint- what comprises of cycling infrastructure is given in the multiple choice options for anyone to choose. If they wish.
Then indicate in comments box any other comments....
NWBY, your hubby could do Edmonton, and you Seattle. Split tasks. :p
I'm not totally sure what a biking infrastructure is, but I suspect that might mean I don't live near one. ;)
From the survey page: "It can be bike paths, signed bike routes, buses with bike racks, etc."Quote:
Originally Posted by BleeckerSt_Girl
Such infrastructure may or may not connect to other such infrastructure, and may or may not be usable by cyclists with a wide variety of skill levels and comfort levels using such infrastructure. ;)
NbyNW: You're too smart for your own good. :rolleyes: :D
Some cyclists....really think that any cycling infrastructure, is some form of unwarranted special treatment.
In doing this survey, some feedback:
From me: "But then, if we let things be as they are, some of us wouldn't have at least bike lockers in our work buildings or apartment buildings, "
Male cyclist responding to my above remark:Me: (I'm abit wordy):Quote:
two questions: 1) What's happening that's threatening them? and 2) Why 'should' you have those things?
Here's what I mean by question two; I'm not sure if you think it's necessary to have those things, "nice" to have those things, or maybe they should be legally required.
For the private facilities, I will speak here, since I've lived in 3 highrise buildings:
Some buildings forbid residents to bring in their bikes into building. Then if they ask for this, then there should be secure bike lock-up facilities for residents. The cars get a parking spot, so why not the bikes also?
lst home: No bikes in condo building. There was lock-up bike locker rm. Solved the problem.
2nd home: Underground shared locked bike areas. also includes lock-up area for kayaks.
3rd home: I have to bring bike and store it in storage rm. I'm tired of tracking dirt through my place.
4th home: Upcoming will be in my own storage locker in midrise building. There is a bike storage rm. that is shared, but WAY too tiny. What was the developer thinking? We live 2 min. away from a 30-km. bike path.
Bike lockers at office, commercial buildings is helpful for cyclists who commute regularily. Again the rule for alot of workplaces, no bikes in buildings. So provide secure facilities for the employees who bike.
I have taken the risk of locking up my bike against a rack in a public, open area, no cage for several years in downtown Toronto for the full work days, 4-5 days per wk. But it was an older hybrid, which is not as attractive to steal.
For the above 2 scenarios, it would be a benefit to the residents or employees. Again we automatically give this benefit to the car drivers, without thinking much about this.
Some people, truly truly don't want any public funds spent on public cycling infrastructure.
That includes cyclists. Meanwhile their tax dollars gets wasted on other things, at times.
The roe hwy bike path is 300 or so metres from our house. I can ride from my house to the kwinana bike path n beyond without encountering a vechicle on that path. Heaps of bike paths in Perth..
Shootingstar...hate to tell you this but not everyone bikes..please understand..I know YOU don't have a car but some people do. Don't expect everyone just to give up thier car or assume their $$ needs to go to cycling infrastructure. In an ideal world, sure. Just remember you're not the only citizen in the city you live in.
We discussed something similar to this the other day in our planning tute. If we want people to come to our side of the table, show them both sides of an arguement. There'll always be about 15-20% of people that won't agree with us or want X or Y or blah blah. That's just a part of society and live with it.
We need ours to go play on the dirt..:D take doggie to the doggie beach and wander round Australia.
I don't think I ever said to people to give up their cars completely for everyone.
But what I do tend to say is that our choices should not be restricted to only car. To accommodate every stage of our life. By the time we're much older an frailer,we will be unable to drive a car. So, do all of us have young people/children driving us around, or we be closer to local transit? However I agree with a line of thinking, that if a neighbourhood doesn't want transit, then don't place bus routes out there if another neighbourhood has been requesting for it. Cruel, eh? We have to set budget spending priorities. Sorry for the transit digression.
In another forum for some anti-bike lane cyclists --cyclists who don't feel a need for road bike lanes, MUPs..some realized after all, it's a cheap amenity for a building developer (commercial office or high rise residential) to provide locked communal bike storage space within the building. :)
1 car parking space probably could easily hold 6 bikes comfortably or more. It's a wonderful, cheap way to "sell" or lease a occupacy space for tenants or residents.
Hope this all doesn't detract from responding to the survey.