Polar HRM software (SK? V?)

I do the same 9 mile hill ride over and over, and I have been trying to find a good way to measure improvement (or its opposite, but let's think positively here!: p )

Overall time on the ride is not that helpful, because the first 2 and last 2 miles are nothing but downhill, and sometimes I can really cruise, and sometimes there's traffic or construction. The middle 5 miles of the route is just a steady couple of climbs, but I always forget to hit the lap button at the beginning of the main climb and again at the end. I can mess around in the HRM software, selecting portions of the ride and looking at the pop-up selection info, to do a virtual lap measurement, but it is ultimately not very useful.

Recently I started paying attention to a summary statistic I hadn't really noticed before: Total time (and percent time) spent climbing, flat and descending. I never really got how useful this info could be on a repeated training route like this, since all the "work" for me happens on this ride in the climbing part,and that's the activity that is the best indicator of how my fitness might be improving. Also, nothing ever happens on the climb that would cause me to go slower than I could (traffic, etc.) - it's just just heat, and how pokey or strong I feel.

So what I haven't figured out yet is how Polar determines what is climbing and what is flat, because this route only has about 200 yards of actual "flat" road, so they must consider a range of grade percents as "flat".

Any other Polar users have any idea about this? Am I missing anything about how I should or shouldn't be using this data?

Here's a screen shot of one ride this week - the summary data I'm talking about is highlighted in yellow.
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I don't know how Polar decides what is climb or ascent either.

I guess the only way I would do it is perhaps what you've already mentioned. I'd insert 2 lap markers at the same point on every file and isolate the info for what would now be "Lap 2". Lap 1 and 3 being the portions that can be affected by traffic, etc. It appears that you have automatic lap markers appearing or a lot of lap markers already so I'd get rid of all those first.

I just ride without worrying about hitting the lap button any longer so when I download the file there is only one lap and I can create lap markers where I should have hit the lap button if I had the discipline and brains. On your route, I'd insert them about mile 2.75 and 6.75 on all your files.

I think you can copy this section to another file, do it again with another ride, and then create a comparison where the graphs will set atop each other.

I haven't played with the reports. What about those?

OK, now I'm going to have to go turn on the home computer and see what it does. I rarely track heart rate so the only comparison I'd have is speed, but you could compare heart rate also. Not sure that this is the time of year when I really want to be looking at these stats. Strong legs but barfo on the heat (like that medical term?).

PS - I've never really gotten serious about finding a Polar users group. Is there one?

Another thought for you the computer geek, err, goddess.:) Export the files, isolate the date for the section you want and write some comparison program.

I think a few people over on bikejournal do this. Maybe ask your question there.

SK - thanks for all your thoughts!

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Originally Posted by SadieKate

Another thought for you the computer geek, err, goddess.:) Export the files, isolate the date for the section you want and write some comparison program.

I think a few people over on bikejournal do this. Maybe ask your question there.

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I know it won't surprise you to learn that I actually thought about this :rolleyes: , but I haven't quite figured out how to get the data in raw enough form. I'll look into BJ one of these days and check it out.

We're doing 50 flat miles again today, so I won't have much chance to check out the ascent thing - maybe I'll just send an email to Polar and ask about the grade ranges for that summary info.

I can waste so much time messing around with the ride data!:o

You can open the files in Notepad but then you'd still need to get them into a CVS file or something. I bet someone on bikejournal would know how to to do this. The geeks are more openly public over there.:D

Chiming in late here (as usual) to second SadieKate's suggestion about laps. I always insert a lap marker at the base and crest of my "favorite" hills for each route. To mark improvement, I compare average mph and average heartrate for just the hill section. I usually make a little note of this in my bikejournal entry comments field. :)

I've been using the auto-lap marker at 1 mile intervals - it just gives me a little "beep" at each mile - and I find it oddly encouraging! But I guess I can turn it off and add the laps after the fact (like SK). Dianyla, I am so bad at remembering to add the laps before an after each hill!

I now have several questions to ask Polar tech support:
1. How do they calculate time spent climbing, flat and descending?
2. Do cadence and speed averages take into account time not moving?
3. Why do I get the BSOD every time I remove the USB infra-red thingy? :mad: (Even after uninstalling and reinstalling the Polar USB drivers)

Again, thanks for the great suggestions! I have a huge amount of project work, and all I want to do is mess around with this stuff! But I will send an email to Polar today, and maybe snoop around in BJ ...

BSOD?:confused:

BikerZ, don't worry about laps while you're riding. Insert them manually when you get home from the comfort of your living room. I think you can un-insert them the same way so you could go back to all your old files and isolate the hill.

I'm pretty sure the speed is calculated only when moving.

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Originally Posted by SadieKate

BSOD?:confused:

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BSOD: Blue screen of death!

Oh no! I just failed one of the tests to be a true Goddess of Geekdom! :o :p

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I've been using the auto-lap marker at 1 mile intervals - it just gives me a little "beep" at each mile - and I find it oddly encouraging! But I guess I can turn it off and add the laps after the fact (like SK). Dianyla, I am so bad at remembering to add the laps before an after each hill!

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Oh, I never add laps when I'm actually riding. That's waaaaay too complicated! :p I just trace the altitude on the graph once I've got it on my PC and add the markers using the software.

I'm fairly sure that the cadence and speed averages do not include the zeroes or null values (which is what happens when you're not pedalling or moving). But now I'm suddenly suspicious... A good way to test this would be to get one of your graphs where you have a big descent. I'm guessing that most folks are like me - when I'm descending I'm either pedaling at a very high cadence or just not pedaling at all, only two states. I'll set up lap counters on a section of a graph that's about half high-cadence pedaling and half no pedaling. Checking that average should show an entirely high average. I think. :rolleyes: