OC July 30th ride

[Brandy]

Are we on for sure on the 30th? I'm trying to get all of my babysitting dates lined up so I can present them to Grandma all at once. :D

[Tiffanie]

My family and I are going to be in the local mountains that weekend, but I think I'll plan to come down the night before to meet everyone for a ride in the morning. :)

[Brandy]

My family and I are going to be in the local mountains that weekend, but I think I'll plan to come down the night before to meet everyone for a ride in the morning. :)

You're going to drive down from Big Bear to ride??? Wow...that sounds like dedication in preparation for Cool Breeze...I guess you've made your decision. http://www.tinklebelle.com/Smilies/images/laughinghard.gif

[Tiffanie]

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Actually we'd be coming home on Sunday anyway, from Lake Gregory, so me leaving the night before won't be a big deal.

Aaaaaannnnddddd, even if I don't decide on Cool Breeze, I can still have dedication for other rides. Call it training in progress for a century I'm not signed up for yet. :p

[Brandy]

[img]Aaaaaannnnddddd, even if I don't decide on Cool Breeze, I can still have dedication for other rides. Call it training in progress for a century I'm not signed up for yet. :p

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[tprevost]

I'm going to do my best to line up a sitter (DH golfs on Sundays) so I'll let you know! I'm hoping though....

Trac'

[redhot3368]

I would like to join you on the 30th!!
Thanks Karen

[Brandy]

Cool! Were we planning on riding a metric that day? I can't recall what we had decided on.

[Brandy]

I'd love to do this sometime with the group. http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=2356 It's not quite a metric, but it has some climbing :) The first half is basically the route that Tiffanie and I did on Thursday and I altered it at the end to include the Shady Canyon path with that short but steep hill (though you can't see bike paths on there), Newport Coast and Spyglass, then looping back through Back Bay. It has a nice mix of trails and road riding and I'm sure that Pam could somehow tweak it so that we could take the Mt. to Sea Trail all the way up to Jamboree instead of cutting over in Irvine, but again, bike paths aren't shown on routeslip! That actually might cut a few miles off of the ride. I started the route in Newport only because it was nice to have a few miles on our legs before we hit the climbing on Jamboree and Santiago Canyon Road. Just a suggestion :)

[bcipam]

A couple of suggestions...

We could do Brandy's ride although what I would like to do instead is start down at the sports park at Harvard and Walnut in order to get some warmup before hitting Jamboree/Santiago Canyon. If you all are in for hills, what we could do is add the Lemon Heights climbs (Tracy and Nina can fill you in) and then do Santiago Canyon and Newport Coast etc. This route would probably be a good 60+ miles with 4000'+ of climbing. ie very hilly. Also we could did this somewhat in reverse... leave from Tustin/Irvine, go down to Newport and then come back up the Aliso Creek trail to El Toro to Santiago Canyon, finish the Canyon and have the Jamboree downhill to end the ride.

Lastly, consider doing Santiago Canyon both ways...

Another option is do a ride from Irvine to Belmont Shores. It's about 65 miles.

I have another route that Jess did for me that starts with a Skyline climb (from the other side) does NC and then goes up to Huntington Beach and back.

I'm open to other options as well. Just let me know.

[Brandy]

Pam, I thought about starting the ride closer to where you start your rides, but honestly after doing it on Thursday, Tiff and I needed that whole ride from Eastbluff up to our first hill at Jamboree to warm up. We both agreed that we wouldn't have been able to tackle that climbing had we started in Irvine...that's why I made the starting point at University/Jamboree (at the park with the bathroom so I can pee legally :D ) and not inland.

ETA: I loved the downhill taking Santiago from the direction that we did. It was nice to not have to be stopping at lights and it was so pretty!

If we don't do this on July 30th, I'm fine with it though. I just wanted to throw it out there as a suggestion.

[bcipam]

I have no problem starting the ride down at the park by Eastbluff. My only concern is travel for everyone else. For us OC gals, the drive or ride is not bad but for Tracy, and the LA gals, much farther for them to come.

Tracy (and LA gals) the Park is located at Jamboree and University (actually just off) to get there best route would be take the 261 toll rd to Jamboree and continue down to University, turn left then immediately right (I can do directions later). This would give us a good warm up before the ride if we are tackling Jamboree/Santiago Canyon first.

Brandy the other option is to do the route backwards. Start at Cedar Grove, go South to Alton or Muirlands then here's a suggestion - look it up and see what you think... my Club usually does Bake Parkway, to Portola to Glenn Ranch and then left onto El Toro or the Aliso Creek bike trail. Do Santiago Canyon from East to West and then finish down Jamboree. The only icky problem I see with this option is if the ride runs late we do the Canyon in the heat but at least we are done after.

Otherwise if everyone's OK with Brandy's ride, let's do it. Brandy you lead! I'll probably be way in
the back once we hit Jamboree.

[tprevost]

any starting point is fine w/me. I won't know until last minute whether I can get childcare though :(

I totally want to do this ride so I'm going to start begging the neighbors! What time are we starting? IF I can get childcare, I will probably be able to leave no later than 6:45am from here....

T~

[bcipam]

It's up to Brandy and everyone but would 8 work for you? I guess we can start as soon as everyone is there and ready.

[tprevost]

I have a tentative "yes" on the childcare so I could be there by 8... I think I know pretty much where it is... I had to take 261/Jamboree down to the airport area for a course last month, so I'm thinking its similar to the starting point. I would plan on leaving at 6:45 so I'm sure I'll be on time :p

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the childcare will "hold" if ya know what I mean!!!

Trac'

[bcipam]

Tracy and all - I'll try and get the name of the park I'm thinking of and the exact street location for all and get it posted before July 30. The parking area is around the back of the park. There are nice restrooms and it's just an easy ride to University and the bike trail. I'm assuming we have all decided to do Brandy's ride? Sounds good to me.

[tprevost]

any route is great for me. My babysitter just confirmed so unless something happens and she has to cancel, I'll be there! YEAH!!!!!

T~

[redhot3368]

Hi!
I will have to let you all know closer to the date.

With the drive there and back and the ride, It will be a full day for me.
Not sure if I can be gone ALL DAY especially on a Sunday.
But I will confirm for sure before the 30th!
Thanks!
Karen

[bcipam]

Karen:

Hope you can make it but to be honest it will be a long day. Our rides have been on the slower side. If we do about 60+ miles I figure it may be a 6 - 8 hour ride. Count in car travel time, sag stops etc. probably closer to 10 hours for you.

Hoe long did it take you to do your metric?

But then again if committed to Cool Breeze - just needs to be done.

[redhot3368]

Karen:

Hope you can make it but to be honest it will be a long day. Our rides have been on the slower side. If we do about 60+ miles I figure it may be a 6 - 8 hour ride. Count in car travel time, sag stops etc. probably closer to 10 hours for you.

Hoe long did it take you to do your metric?

But then again if committed to Cool Breeze - just needs to be done.

Hi Pam!
I can do a metric in 5 hours. It is just the travel time and all, I don't mind a slower pace. Sundays are normally not good for me, especially for an out of town ride. Guess i wasn't really thinking about that before...:)
Most likely I will have to pass on this one...
Hopefully next time! If I don't meet you before then, I am looking forward to meeting you at Cool Breeze!!!!
Thanks!
K :)

[ACG]

I am going to block off this date, I am probably available to join you.

[tprevost]

Hi!
I will have to let you all know closer to the date.

With the drive there and back and the ride, It will be a full day for me.
Not sure if I can be gone ALL DAY especially on a Sunday.
But I will confirm for sure before the 30th!
Thanks!
Karen


Hey Karen,

You know Tony is more than welcome too right??? You could make a day's outing of it ;)

Trac'

[tprevost]

I am going to block off this date, I am probably available to join you.


Cool!!! Hope to see you there ACG!!

Trac'

[redhot3368]

Hey Karen,

You know Tony is more than welcome too right??? You could make a day's outing of it ;)

Trac'

Hi!
I know, but unfortunatly Tony and I don't ride together very often at all :(
He is like WAY faster then me (as you can tell from his time on the Century!)
He doesn't have the patience to go at my pace!
Must be the testosterone!! MEN! Whatever :)

[Brandy]

Hi!
I know, but unfortunatly Tony and I don't ride together very often at all :(
He is like WAY faster then me (as you can tell from his time on the Century!)
He doesn't have the patience to go at my pace!
Must be the testosterone!! MEN! Whatever :)

Which is a GREAT reason for you to come enjoy a day with the girls! Don't make me use my jedi mind tricks on you to talk you into this one. :p

[Brandy]

I'm working on a route similar to the one that I posted, possibly including a portion of Laguna Canyon Rd (from El Toro Rd.) and PCH up to Newport Coast (so Tracy can do it the other way :p) which would take us up to approximately 56 miles. I think that an optional loop of Back Bay will finish the day for those who want to do a metric.

Tiffanie and I will preview the ride on the 20th, since that's the day we're scheduled to do a metric anyway and I'll scout out someplace to stop and eat in Mission Viejo. It's looking like this ride will have 4000+ feet of climbing, just FYI.

ETA: Tiff just sent me the Back Bay map and it adds about 9 miles, so it will be an option at the end of the ride for those who want to continue on.

[bcipam]

Brandy... just me 2 cents... I wouldn't not consider Laguna Canyon Rd especially during Festival time. The road is very narrow, very busy and under construction (I for one avoid it at all cost in the summer)... Although from El Toro Rd. down from laguna Coast Wild. Park it's probably better but you still have to go by the Festival grounds and all that traffic. If you still decide to do that route, use Cliff Dr. - I can probably find a route slip (since my Club does that route alot) and send it along.

Personally I may not be up to a ride with Jamboree/Santiago Canyon/Moulton/El Toro/NPC from PCH etc. Way too much climbing in one day for me but I can always (cause thankfully I do know all the routes around OC) modify my route to prevent all of that climbing. Does your route maker show elevation gain?

[caligurl]

Hi!
I know, but unfortunatly Tony and I don't ride together very often at all :(
He is like WAY faster then me (as you can tell from his time on the Century!)
He doesn't have the patience to go at my pace!
Must be the testosterone!! MEN! Whatever :)

i can relate with that, karen! sometimes i can convince hubby he needs to ride with me on organzed rides (or local rides) but he always has to slow down for me! he NEVER rides with me on the "important" ones! lol!

like he knows he has to start out with me at cool breeze cuz it's early... and there aren't that many riders on that deserted, creepy slasher movie part of the bike path... but then he takes off cuz i'm on the road and other riders from my route and the other routes by then!

i've already warned him he has to ride the grand tour lite with me... cuz it was a bit lonely last year! lol! again.... i think cuz not too many do that route... so i end up behind!

[Brandy]

Pam,

Good point about Laguna Canyon this time of year, I didn't even think about the Sawdust Festival. Can you tell how often I get down that way? :p

We can do something like the original route that I posted in here http://www.routeslip.com/map.php?map=2356 that includes Newport Coast, but could easily be skipped by those who would rather cut the ride short. Both routes were roughly 56-57 miles and included 4400 feet of climbing. With the addition of Back Bay on the tail end, those who want to do a metric can do so.

[bcipam]

Brandy - if you guys still want to do the original route but add NC from PCH I can probably help with that.

Input this: From Cook's Corner/Aliso Creek trail take Glenn Ranch Rd to Portola to Bake. Bake to Muirlands, Muirlands to Alton to San Diego Creek trail to Eastbluff. Eastbluff across to Ford, Ford to San Miguel, San Miguel down to Poppy/5th St to PCH, PCH left to Newport Coast. NC to san Joaquin, back to Back bay, loop around to Dover and back to the start.
Sounds complicated and lord knows way more climbing than I'm capable of but this is doable, less traffic, good views and plenty of places to stop and snack also lots of bail outs if one (say me) just can't handle any more climbing.

[Brandy]

That sounds great Pam! Isn't there a sizable shopping center on Portola and Bake? That might make a good stopping point for refueling.

[bcipam]

Lots of stops along Portola and Bake. Nicer roads. More bike friendly. WOuld give you and Tiff another way to go since you already did the ride.

[Brandy]

Cool. We'll preview it in a couple of weeks then and I'll look for a cycling friendly (lots of outdoor seating) coffee/sandwich place to stop at...unless you already know of a good place?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[bcipam]

Darn I don't know the name but once you turn from Portola onto Bake, the next light (Auto Center Way), turn right then left and there's a food court with a nice coffee shop. I'll try and get the name this weekend. There are also Starbucks and all sorts of fast food around on Portola. I do know there is also a Starbucks at Bake and Trabuco but wrong side of street and if we go down to Murilands (or Jeronimo) then is a Starbucks on the corner.

Also since you are mapping this route - look for this - on Santiago Canyon before you drop down to Cook's Corner there is this road - I think it's called Ridgeline or Ridge Route, turn right, it's a very short but steep climb, turn right again at the summit and then you drop over and down on Glenn Ranch.

[Brandy]

Okay...we didn't get to scout the first half (santiago canyon portion) of the ride, but since we've already done it, we have an idea of what to expect. Pam...I do have a question about where the SD Creek Trail meets Mt. to Sea and goes north toward Tustin. I was unsure of where that splits off and the trail isn't signed going that way, maybe you could help us out on that part.

We did do the second half of the ride and found some bail out points for those who want to avoid Newport Coast altogether and then another bailout point for those who don't want to do the final 9 miles, which will be a loop of Back Bay. I still need to route it to get the total mileage and elevation gains, but this ride will be all about hills!!! :D

[bcipam]

Brandy - so I know this is your ride... but I just had a thought while I was riding around the other day. From the park near Back Bay...

Take Eastbluff to Ford (x Jamboree) to San Miguel, to L at San Joaquin, R on Marguerite, L at 5th, R at Poppy, L at PCH. Take PCH to Newport Coast, up and over to Bonita Canyon turn R at Shady Hill to the Shady Hill Bike Trail up and over to R at Quail Hill, round about to Laguna Canyon North (away from the festival towards the hills). OK I have to confirm this in my Thompson Guide but either to Barranca or Jeronimo to Bake, up Bake to Bake Parkway, R at Portola, L at Glenn Ranch. Note at Glenn Ranch and Portola is a Starbucks and several delis. Good time and place to stop.

Up Glenn Ranch to El Toro, L at El Toro past Cook's Corner to Santiago Canyon Blvd. Take the Canyon to Jamboree. Turn L at Jamboree up and down to Portola, turn L. R onto the Peter's Canyon Bike Trail. Take that to it ends at Harvard (just before Irvine Center Drive). Take Harvard to Barranca get on the San Diego Creek Trail, go South back to Eastbluff/University and the PArk. Those that feel up to it can tour Back Bay to add mileage (although frankly - this is a long tough ride as is).

NOTE: If we go the other way, then a good stopping point is still at the bottom of Glenn Ranch at Portola. We would ride right across the street to the Starbuck's.

Note to all: Either route is very hilly. I'm not certain how I will do but there are lots of bail outs along the way. For me best to get Newport Coast out of the way early cause later in the day I could see me going around it instead. Regardless, I will definitely be sweeping the rear of the group!

[bcipam]

Pam...I do have a question about where the SD Creek Trail meets Mt. to Sea and goes north toward Tustin. I was unsure of where that splits off and the trail isn't signed going that way, maybe you could help us out on that part.

:D

Take San Diego Creek to Harvard, exit Harvard go North to the Peter's Canyon Bike Trail. Take Peter's Canyon Bike trail to Portola, exit turn L. Take Portola to Jamboree, turn R and begin grinding up the hill.

[Ninabike]

Hi Girls,

I won't be able to make it on the 30th (I would just hold you guys back anyway). The real reason is that on Sundays I can't get loose until about 10:00 A.M. I am in charge of music at my church on Sunday mornings at 8:00 A.M. (play guitar, arrange the music, etc.). I can usually "escape' a couple of Sunday's a year, by planning well in advance, but I can't do it that weekend.

Still waiting to get my triple. There is a lot involved with making the change on my bike (different bottom bracket, crank arms, shifter lever, etc., not to menton the $$$'s). I still plan on the Cool Breeze Metric and will try to get in some hills around here. I just bought one of the Sharper Image cooler thingies they advertise on TV that you put around your neck like a collar. They work with water and a little cooler fan of some sort. I haven't even taken it out of the box yet but I'll try it tomorrow and let you all know how it works. The heat really kills me.

Nina

[Brandy]

Thanks for the info on the Peter's Canyon Trail Pam...Tiff and I are planning to ride Santiago Canyon one more time before the 30th, so we'll take that route.

As far as the ride on the 30th, I'd like to continue with what I've planned. Tiff and I worked on scouting it out this morning, including driving around Newport to some areas we missed by taking Newport Coast all the way down to PCH, and I think we have a really good ride shaping up.

As far as Newport Coast being at the end of the ride, I did that intentionally so that those who want to skip extra climbing can bail out and take SD Creek Trail back to the park. I think that we have several options to make everyone happy!

Oh...and we climbed N.C. from the Bonita side today and in my opinion the Jamboree/Santiago Canyon climbing was more challenging and that's why I'd like to get that out of the way earlier in the day before it heats up too much and while we still have energy!

[tprevost]

Hey Brandy!

That route sounds PERFECT! I am totally looking forward to it; I'm dyin' to check out this whole Santiago Canyon thing..... be prepared to do lots of waiting! ;)

Trac'

[Tiffanie]

Santiago Canyon is really pretty. Although we experienced it about 6ish a.m. - can't say how much I'll like it at 9 or 10 with this heat!

We will see!! :D

[Brandy]

Santiago Canyon is really pretty. Although we experienced it about 6ish a.m. - can't say how much I'll like it at 9 or 10 with this heat!

We will see!! :D

Shhhhhhhhhh! Don't scare her! :p

[bcipam]

Oh...and we climbed N.C. from the Bonita side today and in my opinion the Jamboree/Santiago Canyon climbing was more challenging and that's why I'd like to get that out of the way earlier in the day before it heats up too much and while we still have energy!

NC from Bonita is very doable. I thought you wanted to do NC from PCH. That's more of a climb and personally I would want to do that first thing.

OK your route, can't wait! Just be kind. Even with my triple I'll be lagging behind!

[Brandy]

NC from Bonita is very doable. I thought you wanted to do NC from PCH. That's more of a climb and personally I would want to do that first thing.

OK your route, can't wait! Just be kind. Even with my triple I'll be lagging behind!

Originally I wanted to come down Laguna Canyon Road and then climb from PCH, but as you said...all of the festival traffic would be a nightmare. We had to tweak the route a little bit, but it should be good!

[Brandy]

Who is planning to come for sure? I'm thinking that this will be just a few miles shy of a metric century if you choose to loop Back Bay at the end of the ride.

[tprevost]

I'm coming! I'm coming!!!! I have a feeling I'm gonna be in pain ;) cause I haven't ridden much ... but I'm game!

Brandy, I need to get directions to the start. I can't leave here until 6:45am so the further west, the more likely I'll be a tad late :rolleyes:

Trac'

ps. with the whole train thing, it turns out it was a good thing I didn't go yesterday! Who was the other woman riding besides Ms. Pico???

[Brandy]

ps. with the whole train thing, it turns out it was a good thing I didn't go yesterday! Who was the other woman riding besides Ms. Pico???

Her name was Missy and voltman brought invited her and her dh. They are MS150 team leaders and she also teaches indoor cycling. I'm pretty sure that they'll be joining us on our ride next Sunday!

Oh...and I totally thought of how disastrous it would have been for you to be stuck in San Diego that late!

[tprevost]

OMG! I am SO gonna hold everyone up on Sunday! Oh well, I suppose that's how to get better huh?

Trac`

[greenmachine]

This sounds like such a great ride!!

I'm thinking positive that I'll be able to join all of you on the 30th. Work could get in the way, so keep good thoughts for me that it won't!

While we're doing positive thinking, can we also manifest some cooler weather ;) ?

Cheers,
Judy

[tprevost]

YEAH Judy!!!!!

It will be so great to see you again!!!

Tracy

[bcipam]

OMG! I am SO gonna hold everyone up on Sunday! Oh well, I suppose that's how to get better huh?

Trac`

Tracy:

I don't think you will be the last... pretty much with all the hills and the heat, that will be me. My only hope is I can catch you all on the downhills.

I haven't been doing all the long rides you guys have. This will be my longest ride all year. Yesterday I planned on doing my Club's 58 miler but I've had a cold all week, didn't feel all that well and well the humidity was already affecting me so I opted for the short ride - 40 miles going to Huntington Beach. I thought good a short, flat ride, I'll be fine but problem with flat - the speed picks up. I rode with 2 friends and our average speed to Golden West (down PCH) was 23.5 mph! I felt good until we hit GW then all of a sudden, I cracked! Big time. Made it to the coffee shop and sat and waited out some thunder and rain and took off back home. At this point, I was toast and it was a struggle to get back to my car. I haven't felt this bad I think ever on a ride. The humidity, heat and my cold did me in. I laid on the grass for 2 hours, drinking Gatorade and trying to get rid of my headache. I was very dyhrated. All I wanted to do was go home, take a shower and lay down in the air conditioning but nooooo.... the lightning struck a transformer and I had no electricity. It wasn't a good day for me.

Anyway, Sunday I plan on riding easy - just want to get through the mileage and stay on the bike. If it's hot, need to take it easy. Wish me luck!

[Brandy]

This was a tough weekend to ride Pam. For now the forecast for next weekend is calling for cooler temps, so I'm crossing my fingers that it sticks!

[tprevost]

Heya Pam!

I haven't ridden a lot of long rides either so we can hold everyone up together! I did the metric in Ventura (55 miles - a bit short) but since then, my longest ride has been 35 so you are definately not alone. I'm starting to think the really long stuff is just not my thing... I love the metrics but anything longer than that just doesn't sound fun. I think that the only way I'll want to go longer is at an organized ride (as opposed to me just trying to get in a training ride).

Brandy and Caligurl know this, but I've been sorta job hunting so my training time is more limited than it was. I do plan on doing a 25 miler either tomorrow or Wednesday (our A/C has crashed so I am NOT missing the technician - I'll be at their mercy) and maybe a few short hill repeats one day... its been 112 so there is a very small window for me... don't have childcare until 9am... so maybe an hour or two in the morning OR if DH is home, maybe an hour or so after the sun goes down a bit... I will just keep plugging away and get as much in as I can! ;)

How 'bout this Pam... we'll hook bungies to each other and flip-flop our way up and down the hills! hee hee hee, sorry, that sounds pretty comical if you think about it ;)

No worries, they'll wait for us :p

Trac'

[caligurl]

I'm starting to think the really long stuff is just not my thing... I love the metrics but anything longer than that just doesn't sound fun. I think that the only way I'll want to go longer is at an organized ride (as opposed to me just trying to get in a training ride).



tracy.... i've never done a non-organized century... cuz i just don't have the.... willpower? or whatever the word is.... i use the sag stops as my movitation and it makes it easier (easier?) for me... at least mentally! cool breeze is good cuz there are a lot of rest stops... so a lot of little interim motivators!

heck.... i set out on a ride around here and say i'm going to do 40.... and i'm bores and "done" after 20-25.... it really IS different doing it on your own rather than at an organized ride (and yes... even if you ride that organized ride "by yourself"... cuz you still have the little minit goals of the sag stops!

however... that said... if YOU don't want to do a century... then don't... cuz riding one is a LOT mental... and if you aren't prepared mentally... then you probably won't do it... (for me... i have NO desire to do a double century... even though i've had people badgering me to do them... i don't doubt i could.. just like i have NO doubt whatsoever that you could complete a century... but i don't WANT to do one... so that means i most likely wouldn't finish... MENTAL!)

but please don't write off the century yet.. you have almost a month to change your mind and ride.. you's all are worrying way too early about cool breeze!
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p.s. brandy has permanently banished me from all future TE rides! shes a big ole MEANIE!

[Brandy]

p.s. brandy has permanently banished me from all future TE rides! shes a big ole MEANIE!
That's me! :D

[tprevost]

tracy.... i've never done a non-organized century... cuz i just don't have the.... willpower? or whatever the word is.... i use the sag stops as my movitation and it makes it easier (easier?) for me... at least mentally! cool breeze is good cuz there are a lot of rest stops... so a lot of little interim motivators!

heck.... i set out on a ride around here and say i'm going to do 40.... and i'm bores and "done" after 20-25.... it really IS different doing it on your own rather than at an organized ride (and yes... even if you ride that organized ride "by yourself"... cuz you still have the little minit goals of the sag stops!

however... that said... if YOU don't want to do a century... then don't... cuz riding one is a LOT mental... and if you aren't prepared mentally... then you probably won't do it... (for me... i have NO desire to do a double century... even though i've had people badgering me to do them... i don't doubt i could.. just like i have NO doubt whatsoever that you could complete a century... but i don't WANT to do one... so that means i most likely wouldn't finish... MENTAL!)

but please don't write off the century yet.. you have almost a month to change your mind and ride.. you's all are worrying way too early about cool breeze!
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p.s. brandy has permanently banished me from all future TE rides! shes a big ole MEANIE!



That's why you're da bomb CG! You are so good at 'getting' what I mean! I am not writing off the century at all; I've got to do at least one and it would probably be really good to do it when we all have each other as support! I am pretty sure I could do one even now under good circumstances. But, I'm exactly like you... those longer training rides are really tough for me. I do like that one w/the hills that I talk about though because once you get to the turn around point there isn't really a choice about finishing it up ;)

I'll be doing the ride on Sunday then if the weather cools off or I can bribe DH into watching the wild things so I can leave early one time I'll probably hit that 40 miler again too; other than that, its gonna be 10-35 milers.

Trac'

ps. I'm over-riding you Brandy; Caligurl can never be banished! ;)

[tprevost]

That's me! :D


troublemaker.... :p

[caligurl]

ps. I'm over-riding you Brandy; Caligurl can never be banished! ;)


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neener... neener... NEENER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brandy]

troublemaker.... :p

I'm not really a mean girl. I just play one on the internet. :cool:

[tprevost]

I'm not really a mean girl. I just play one on the internet. :cool:


.... that's not what Tiffanie said.... :rolleyes:

hee hee hee

[Brandy]

.... that's not what Tiffanie said.... :rolleyes:

hee hee hee

Please don't take the word of someone who abandoned our Cool Breeze Century in favor of Tim McGraw's butt!

[bcipam]

Somehow I feel I've missed out on something... you guys are too weird!

Trac... I have to say before each of my centuries I rode no farther than 50 miles, OK maybe a metric here and there, but generally 40 miles or less and I have never had any trouble finishing a century. OK some I was more tired than others but I did it. Mental is the key. But I have an advantage over you - I have done centuries so I know what it's all about. First time is tough. I almost like the way I did mine - I had only planned on doing 75 but forgot to turn off to cut the ride short and accidently did the full century. OK about 80 miles in I was in tears for a short period and when I hit 100 on my odometer I stopped and looked for the sag wagon but since one did not come, I kept riding and the last 8 miles (the ride distance was 108 miles) was not all that bad. After I finish I felt really good.

I have no idea how I'm going to physically do on this ride but I'm just going to ride. If I get out there half way and don't feel good, oh well, I sag or turn around. No worries. This heat is really cutting into my riding time but hopefully Cool Breeze will come through and will have that wonderful, cool, usually overcast weather to ride in. That's a motivator as well.

I'm hoping Brandy will have a route slip for this Sunday and scheduled stops and we each ride to her own ability and regroup at the stops. I can hang on downhills and flats but am very slow on hills, especially with heat.

[Tiffanie]

.... that's not what Tiffanie said.... :rolleyes:

hee hee hee

Hey now don't be bringing me in to this cat fight! :p


Please don't take the word of someone who abandoned our Cool Breeze Century in favor of Tim McGraw's butt!

http://purplepixelations.com/march42006/excuseme.gif

[tprevost]

Hey Tiff...

you ridin' Sunday?

T~

[tprevost]

Somehow I feel I've missed out on something... you guys are too weird!

Trac... I have to say before each of my centuries I rode no farther than 50 miles, OK maybe a metric here and there, but generally 40 miles or less and I have never had any trouble finishing a century. OK some I was more tired than others but I did it. Mental is the key. But I have an advantage over you - I have done centuries so I know what it's all about. First time is tough. I almost like the way I did mine - I had only planned on doing 75 but forgot to turn off to cut the ride short and accidently did the full century. OK about 80 miles in I was in tears for a short period and when I hit 100 on my odometer I stopped and looked for the sag wagon but since one did not come, I kept riding and the last 8 miles (the ride distance was 108 miles) was not all that bad. After I finish I felt really good.

I have no idea how I'm going to physically do on this ride but I'm just going to ride. If I get out there half way and don't feel good, oh well, I sag or turn around. No worries. This heat is really cutting into my riding time but hopefully Cool Breeze will come through and will have that wonderful, cool, usually overcast weather to ride in. That's a motivator as well.

I'm hoping Brandy will have a route slip for this Sunday and scheduled stops and we each ride to her own ability and regroup at the stops. I can hang on downhills and flats but am very slow on hills, especially with heat.

Pam.... I am having a really hard time envisioning you broken down in tears :p .... somehow I have an easier time 'hearing' you say "suck it up and get going" ;) Really, the only reason I will do anything other than the 100 is if there are other issues (heat/injury etc.).

Brandy???? Are ya gonna have a route slip????

T~

[Tiffanie]

Hey Tiff...

you ridin' Sunday?

T~

Yes I'll be there. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone!

[bcipam]

Trac:

I don't usually resort to hysterics but on that ride 1) I did it all alone cause my "friends" were doing the century and took off and left me (btw I was never alone really - some 15,000 riders did this century so I met up with lots of folks along the way), 2) at 15 miles there is a large dirt river crossing (this was the Tour de Tucson) that you have to walk your bike across - I got sand in my SPeedplay cleats and couldn't ever engage the pedal the rest of the ride and it wasn't helped by the second dirt crossing at 50 miles. After 50 miles my feet were burning and at 80 the pain made me cry (plus the fact I was riding alone and didn't know the heck where i was - I just know it was in literally the middle of nowhere!). I got off my bike, took off my shoes and just pondered my fate for awhile. This family of riders came by, offered me some encouragement and rode with me for a spell. That help lift my spirit, 3) I never intended to ride a century, at 100 I figured there was no reason to keep riding but darn there are no sag wagons at Tour de Tucson (something to remember).

I'm sortof with you - my plan is to do the century but if its hot or I don't feel well the metrics a nice ride as well. I've got nothing to prove although if Wayne comes along he won't let me quit - he'd push me forward. Although the last time he was on a road bike was the ride we did in May. He might easily be talked into the metric!.

[Brandy]

Brandy???? Are ya gonna have a route slip????

T~

One better...we'll have routeslips and maps :D Should make it easier for people to bail out if need be :)

[bcipam]

That sounds good but unfortunately no way to bail out of Santiago Canyon once you enter - just gotta keep going (or I guess you can turn arondnd). Once I get through the Canyon the rest is going to be a piece of cake (or at least I hope!).

Brandy when you have time could you post the start location. I need to send an email off to Connie and Wayne and some others to see if they are interested in joining.

[Brandy]

That sounds good but unfortunately no way to bail out of Santiago Canyon once you enter - just gotta keep going (or I guess you can turn arondnd). Once I get through the Canyon the rest is going to be a piece of cake (or at least I hope!).

Brandy when you have time could you post the start location. I need to send an email off to Connie and Wayne and some others to see if they are interested in joining.

I realize that there's no way to bail out of Santiago Canyon and that's why I put it earlier in the ride. I figured that it people wanted to skip the hilly bike path and the Newport Coast climb after going through Santiago Canyon, that they could simply take the San Diego Creek Trail back to Bonita Creek Park.

We will be starting at the park you suggested...Bonita Creek Park.

Pam...please don't worry about being left behind. I'm not in a hurry on this ride, and I'm not a fast climber.

[ACG]

Call me a whimp, but does anyone know what the weather will be like. I don't do well in the humidty. thanks ladies

[Tiffanie]

ACG, I just checked weather.com for Trabuco Cyn and it shows a high of 89 with 62% humidity for Sunday. Still hot but definitely not as hot as this last week or so!

[Brandy]

Okay...Tiff and I are working on the routeslip right now...I've never made one before, so you'll have to be kind. We're doing our best!

After coming through Santiago Canyon Road we'll be stopping for food at the corner of Glenn Ranch and Portola Parkway in Foothill Ranch and there are several options, hopefully something for everyone...

Wahoo's
Red Brick Pizza
Memphis BBQ
Blvd. Deli
Starbucks

[tprevost]

... just curious... what is the approximate mileage at the point where we come out of Santiago Canyon?

T~

[Brandy]

... just curious... what is the approximate mileage at the point where we come out of Santiago Canyon?

T~

It's at the 28-29 mile mark, IIRC.

[bcipam]

Just a note on the mileage to stops and such... I know everyone is different but I can't emphasize enough especially since this is training for a century to fuel on a regular basis. This will be especially important in the heat. Going 30 miles without taking in substance and then planning on another 30 without a stop can cause a real bonk situation especially if out in the saddle for while (like 3, 4,5 6 hours). Hopefully during the century everyone plans on stopping at each sag to fuel. The sags are usually every 15 - 20 miles. Once you hit 75 - 80 miles and your system still has reserves your body will thank you. I plan on taking GU/Beans/Balance Bars and after the first hour will most likely try to GU or Bean every 30 - 45 minutes through-out the ride. I'm hoping to treat this ride just as I would the century and want to finish feeling good (if its not Africa hot out and I get dehydrated).

Just another thing to consider, if the weather doesn't break - be flexible with the ride. No sense riding inland, doing hills, when it's incredibly hot. Don't want a bunch of sick, dehydrated folks on your hands.

The nice thing is Cool Breeze generally is well cool when elsewhere it's hot. Heat does not have to be part of your training.

[Brandy]

I plan on a stop at the top of Jamboree and Chapman/Santiago to regroup, refuel and refill water bottles at the mini-mart at the Chevron station before we begin the climbing on Santiago Canyon Road. It won't be a problem to stop before or after that planned stopped either...it all depends on what the group needs. I just wanted to make sure that there was an opportunity to stop and to get water before we head in.

After lunch if stops need to be made, that's not a problem either. On the BF ride we did last week, if anyone needed to stop at anytime, we all stopped. It was never an issue or problem with the group and everyone welcomed the short breaks.

BTW Pam...I see that BCI is doing Santiago Canyon Road on Sunday as well...looks like we'll be trailing them!

Please send me your email address if you would like a route slip. Just a warning, the beginning is a little bit confusing with regards to crossing Jamboree and entering the San Diego Creek Trail. I'm sure that we'll all be together at that point though and we can just make sure that there is a person leading who knows where they're going. :D Same goes for exiting the SD Creek Trail and then entering the Shady Canyon Path. I'm sure it will all be fine though!

[bcipam]

Interesting that BCI is doing the Canyon on Sunday as well. Lately Sunday rides have been very sparse. Most folks don't like to get up and ride at 8other tahn July and August rides start at 9). And alot of folks have been opting for the Beach rides which are also offered when its hot. I would predict the group will be heading South not North.

Are you bringing slips to the ride on Sunday? If so, that's cool otherwise I'll have you email me one beforehand. I'm still waiting to see what the weather is like. I rode this evening and it was actually pleasant but there's a big difference in climbing hills at 7 pm when the sun is setting and the breeze comes up and 9:30 - 10am when the sun is getting high and there is no breeze.

Will be interesting to see who all shows up. Riding through the Canyon sometimes, more is better - more visible.

[caligurl]

i rode (climbed) today after work... it was 112 and humid when i left.... i think sunday's temps will be a pleasant surprise!

brandy and tiff... you've put a LOT of work into planning this ride! i know we're all gonna have a BLAST!

[Brandy]

Looks like they're going the same way that we are...

July 30 (Route Slip – SUN09)
Food stop: Diedrich’s - Mission Viejo, La Paz & Chrisanta
Medium: 32 miles, rolly - Portola, Irvine Bl, El Toro, Marguerite, Muirlands
Long: 40 miles, 2200’ Climb - Jamboree, Sanitago Cyn, Marguerite, Muirlands

Interestingly, I found this out when I googled the term "Starbucks Portola Glenn Ranch" because they had stopped there on one of their other rides...lol.

[Brandy]

i rode (climbed) today after work... it was 112 and humid when i left.... i think sunday's temps will be a pleasant surprise!

brandy and tiff... you've put a LOT of work into planning this ride! i know we're all gonna have a BLAST!

I'm so glad that you decided to come! :)

[bcipam]

Looks like they're going the same way that we are...

July 30 (Route Slip – SUN09)
Food stop: Diedrich’s - Mission Viejo, La Paz & Chrisanta
Medium: 32 miles, rolly - Portola, Irvine Bl, El Toro, Marguerite, Muirlands
Long: 40 miles, 2200’ Climb - Jamboree, Sanitago Cyn, Marguerite, Muirlands

Interestingly, I found this out when I googled the term "Starbucks Portola Glenn Ranch" because they had stopped there on one of their other rides...lol.

The BCI ride is scheduled to head off over to Mission Viejo. Once they hit Portola, they keep going East where Portola turns into Marguerite - gosh I hope we aren't heading at that way???? And yep I know of the Starbucks stop becuase I've been there with BCI. just 2 weeks ago as a matter of fact. There's alot of space out back, perfect for bikes and cyclists.

After the Starbucks stop which direction does your ride go - towards El Toro or Bake?

[Brandy]

After the food stop we head towards Bake. :D

Bonita Creek Park , Newport Beach
La Vida and University, just off Jamboree near the 73 Toll Road
• Turn Left on University
• Cross Jamboree
• Turn Right onto San Diego Creek Trail
Entrance on sidewalk
• Exit San Diego Creek Trail @ Harvard
• North on Harvard
• Turn Left on Walnut
• Turn Right on Jamboree
Please regroup @
shopping center on
SW corner of Jamboree/
Santiago Canyon
• Turn right on Santiago Canyon
Becomes El Toro
• Turn Right on Glenn Ranch
• Cross Portola and regroup for
lunch at Starbucks/Wahoo’s
• Turn Left on Portola
• Turn Left on Bake
• Turn Right on Muirlands
Becomes Barranca
• Turn Left on Laguna Canyon
• Turn Right on Quail Hill
• Turn Left at Shady Canyon
roundabout
• Enter bikepath on right
• Take fork on the left at
the end of the path
• Turn Left on Shady Canyon
• Turn Left on Bonita Canyon
• Turn Left on Newport Coast
• Turn Right on San Joaquin Hills
• Turn Right on MacArthur
• Turn Left on Ford
Becomes Eastbluff

Back Bay Loop Option
• Turn Left on Back Bay Drive
• Follow Tiff!

Back to Bonita Creek Park Option
• Take Eastbluff (becomes University)
across Jamboree
• Right on La Vida

[Brandy]

And yep I know of the Starbucks stop becuase I've been there with BCI. just 2 weeks ago as a matter of fact. There's alot of space out back, perfect for bikes and cyclists.
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I thought it was perfect because there are so many options for food, all within that one small strip. Should be something there to make everyone happy.

[Tiffanie]

That "Follow Tiff" part at the start of Back Bay cracks me up!!! :D I really don't think I want the group following me down that BB short/fast hill at the very beginning. I mean, what if I fall?!?!?! :eek: :p

Caligirl, I'm so glad you're coming. I didn't know when I would be getting the chance to meet you since I backed out of Cool Breeze.

I CANNOT wait for this ride!

[caligurl]

brandy and tiff... i want to say that i appreciate all the work you've put into making the ride route for this weekend....

i know we all hope that the weather will be nice... but just like with an organized ride... we can change our minds and go or not go....we most certainly can't just ring up the ride organizers and say "can you change your route cuz of the weather!"

can you EVEN imagine calling debbie at planet ultra an telling her "it's too hot or too cold... so let's go a different way" (you have to know debbie and planet ultra to understand that!

what i'm getting at... is some riders know the route... and can decide to do it or not... others don't (like me) and will treat it the same way they treat ANY organized ride they do... take it as it comes... and go with the flow of the day!

i just want to give you gals an ATTABOY cuz i know that negativity can wear on someone when they are trying so hard to do something nice for everyone!

my heartfelt THANX! and sending only positive vibes!!!!!! http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/157.gif

[caligurl]

That "Follow Tiff" part at the start of Back Bay cracks me up!!! :D I really don't think I want the group following me down that BB short/fast hill at the very beginning. I mean, what if I fall?!?!?! :eek: :p

Caligirl, I'm so glad you're coming. I didn't know when I would be getting the chance to meet you since I backed out of Cool Breeze.

I CANNOT wait for this ride!

well..... if you weren't going to go see tim's behind.....

and *note to self*: do NOT follow tiff at the beginning... stay VERY far away!

[Brandy]

That "Follow Tiff" part at the start of Back Bay cracks me up!!! :D I really don't think I want the group following me down that BB short/fast hill at the very beginning. I mean, what if I fall?!?!?! :eek: :p


:D :D :D :D :D

Hey...that part was confusing up past Dover, there's no way I could have written that route out! :p

[caligurl]

ok.... i'm sure it's in the 100 pages somewhere.. but how long is this ride?

and what time is it starting, again? ya ya ya... too lazy to go look!

[Brandy]

Meeting at 8:00 and it's just under 60 with the Back Bay Loop at the end.

[Tiffanie]

well..... if you weren't going to go see tim's behind.....

and *note to self*: do NOT follow tiff at the beginning... stay VERY far away!

Well, I guess if I'm going to miss a fun century ride, at least I have a good reason, right?!?! :p

That's a good note to self. Make sure you "sticky" it! lol!

[caligurl]

Meeting at 8:00 and it's just under 60 with the Back Bay Loop at the end.

uhmmmmm.... errr... LEAVING at 8? or MEETING at 8???????

i know i know... too many questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bcipam]

Brandy - great route - but one issue. Down San Joaquin and then right on MacArthur to Ford. MacArthur is a gosh awful incredibly busy street, cars going 70 mph etc. My suggestion - down San Joaquin and just before MacArthur turn turn on San Miguel and take San Miguel to Ford (which a couple of little zig zags at end the before Ford - it's obvious). Nice quiet street with nice wide bike lanes and through beautiful Newport Coast neighborhoods. Once on Ford, continue past MacArthur and Ford becomes Eastbluff. The other option is to take San Joaquin all the was down to Back Bay and then turn left (or right) , take the bike path to to Bayview, Bayview to PCH, turn right to Dover, and then down around the West side of Back bay park to the Park.

[caligurl]

GEEZ! did ya write to cool breeeze and tell them that the stretch in santa barbara along highway 1 is HORRIBLE crowded with traffic and congestion... and could they please change it????????????

i mean... i HATE that portion of the ride... to many stop lights... WAY too many cars and pedestrians... OY VEY!!!!! but i don't think if i wrote them... they's change it! so i have to deal with it!!!!!!

[redhot3368]

Wow! Brandy and Tiff!
Looks like you two put in some work on this ride!!
Thats great!! I don't know that I could put together a route like that.
I am soooo sorry to have to miss it.
Unfortunatly my father in law is still in ICU, and the hosptial is my second home these days.
I WILL be at Cool Breeze and look forward to seeing everyone there!
Except Tiff...I hope to meet you another time!
Have a great ride girls!!!
Can't wait to hear about it!
AND I can't wait to ride with you all at Cool Breeze!!

Karen :)

[Tiffanie]

Pam, I appreciate your concern about the MacArthur portion of the ride. BUT, Brandy and I actually rode it and felt ok there. Yes, it's busy and fast-paced, but the turn off at Ford is before the freeway interchanges.

It gets a bit discouraging when EVERY SINGLE POST from you has some type of negativity in it. I honestly can't say that I've seen anything positive you've had to say about this ride!

***sigh*** :(

[caligurl]

karen... sorry about your FIL..... i hope he gets better soon.... hugz to you and your hubby!!!!!!

[Tiffanie]

Sorry to hear about your FIL, Karen. :( I hope he's on the mend very soon! <hugs>

[bcipam]

Pam, I appreciate your concern about the MacArthur portion of the ride. BUT, Brandy and I actually rode it and felt ok there. Yes, it's busy and fast-paced, but the turn off at Ford is before the freeway interchanges.

It gets a bit discouraging when EVERY SINGLE POST from you has some type of negativity in it. I honestly can't say that I've seen anything positive you've had to say about this ride!

***sigh*** :(

Tiffanie - WOW! Sorry you feel that way. I didn't mean to sound or come off negative - I thought I was offering positive advice to help make the ride great for everyone. No problems. From now on my "mouth" is shut. Just consider next time you do the ride, try the San Miguel turn off - I think you will find it a nice alternative. It's just I know all these routes like the back of my hand cause I've been riding them for so many years but I'm always amazed to find out there are still alternatives and nicer routes to take. When I had my friend Jess do some routes for me, he came up with some streets and bike trails I've never heard of or used. I really appreciated his knowledge and insight. Plus it's always fun to go ride new roads.

[bcipam]

GEEZ! did ya write to cool breeeze and tell them that the stretch in santa barbara along highway 1 is HORRIBLE crowded with traffic and congestion... and could they please change it????????????

i mean... i HATE that portion of the ride... to many stop lights... WAY too many cars and pedestrians... OY VEY!!!!! but i don't think if i wrote them... they's change it! so i have to deal with it!!!!!!

Cali:

I've ridden the 101 stretch many times as well and also the stretch of the 5 near the Marine base before Carlsbad and the 1 near Big Sur. I don't complaint because there is no alternative. What other way could one go up the 101 except on the freeway?

BTW, I'm not complaining about Tiff and Brandy's, I just offered an alternative to which there are many - not just MacArthur. Like you said, you hate the 101 - why ride it if there is an alternative?

Geez, OK you guys, made me feel bad and I was only trying to help. I understand your route... sorry. Pam posting off!

[Brandy]

Pam,

I realize that since this area is your home territory, so to speak, that there may be lots of alternatives to the ones that Tiff and I have chosen for this ride. The fact is that we have worked very hard on planning this ride, scouting things out, riding different sections and when our plans to preview the whole ride fell through due to my dh being called in for mandatory overtime, I got up at 3:30 a.m. yesterday so I could go and drive a portion and stake out the food stop.

I know that you are trying to be helpful, but honestly...when all of your posts contain either complaints or "helpful suggestions" it starts to wear on a person. One thing that I've learned through planning this whole thing is that I will keep my mouth shut the next time that I want to plan a ride and when I've finalized my route, I will post it on BF and TE telling people when and where to meet. This whole process has been rather discouraging. :(

[Tiffanie]

Pam, it's not that I don't appreciate your input for safer road alternatives. I do, honestly.

I just couldn't not say anything anymore regarding all of the other posts you've made about this ride. Really, if you look back at all of your posts (here and BF), there's something in all of them that has a negative sentiment.

[greenmachine]

brandy and tiff... i want to say that i appreciate all the work you've put into making the ride route for this weekend....

what i'm getting at... is some riders know the route... and can decide to do it or not... others don't (like me) and will treat it the same way they treat ANY organized ride they do... take it as it comes... and go with the flow of the day!

my heartfelt THANX! and sending only positive vibes!!!!!! http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/157.gif

Caligurl = I echo your sentiments...

Brandy and Tiff,

Thank You for organizing a terrific ride for us! The two of you have done a great job!

So, no word yet from my boss about working this weekend, so I'm going to optimistically RSVP for this ride and if something changes, I'll let everyone know! My friend Sylvia wants to join us too.

See you all soon!
Judy

[icengineer]

Tiffanie, Brandy, please reconsider the Walnut to Jamboree section of your route:


• Turn Left on Walnut
• Turn Right on Jamboree

The area between Walnut and Bryan has heavy traffic, and immediately after turning north on Jamboree you have to cross two lanes of traffic that turns into the northbound toll road to take the left-side exit that becomes the right lane of Jamboree.

Instead, stay on Walnut to Tustin Ranch, and follow Tustin Ranch until it runs into Jamboree. Tustin Ranch has much less traffic, especially on Sunday mornings, and fewer traffic lights as well.

[Brandy]

Okay...I had to edit because I was irked. I worked hard on this ride and I have been open to several suggestions from Pam and changed my original route several times based upon her suggestions. It was just when it became a complaint or a suggestion to change the whole thing in every single post when I started getting very frustrated. Earlier Pam PM'ed me saying that one of my responses above was more appropriate for a PM vs. here on the board and I say the same thing to anyone who has a problem or issue with the route that we've planned. Do you think maybe that instead of picking apart the entire thing here on the board, that maybe, just maybe...your suggestions would be taken into consideration if you had the courtesy to approach me privately???? Just food for thought.

Also finding it odd that icengineer showed up today and his/her first post is on this thread.

[caligurl]

brandy.... hubby and i are coming to do YOUR ride....

as i'm sure.. tiff.... tracy... and the others from BF are.... icengineer is obviously a troll (1st post and all!)

[caligurl]

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RIDE SHE HAS PLANNED.. THEN JUST DON'T COME...

*flame suit on*

[icengineer]

brandy.... hubby and i are coming to do YOUR ride....

as i'm sure.. tiff.... tracy... and the others from BF are.... icengineer is obviously a troll (1st post and all!)

Trolling on a cycling group? Caligurl, I assure you, the thought never occurred to me.

My name is Mike, and I normally ride with the OC Rebel Riders - a perfectly nice, relaxed group that rides along Harvard, Walnut, and Tustin Ranch on a regular basis. I worked at the corner of Walnut and Myford for many years, and am very well acquainted with that particular area, including the original route and the alternate route that I suggested.

My concern was only for the safety of your group, and that's all. Crossing two lanes of toll road, two freeway onramps, and fighting with the traffic trying to get in and out of the Tustin Marketplace is a pain - following Walnut down to Tustin Ranch and taking Tustin Ranch up to Jamboree avoids all that.

Please, Brandy, don't give up. The route you have planned encompasses much of what makes riding in south Orange County so nice. I wasn't suggesting wholesale changes, and I wasn't suggesting that you take out anything important.

Since I'm so familiar with the area, and have cycled it so often, I made the suggestion. You're welcome to ignore it, but please, consider it for next time, or give it a try the next time you're riding solo.

[caligurl]

you do realize this is a WOMEN"S board???????

perhaps a better way... since you registered.. would have been to PM her... PRIVATELY! especially if you read this thread.....

i'm WELL aware of OCRR (LOVE their new jerseys).... and everyone i know from that group IS bery nice... well.. except for richard.. cuz he INSISTS on badgering me to do doubles... but i digress in an attempt to lighten things up....

anyways... next time PM her (or others!)

K?

[ACG]

In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of calling others trolls.



hmmmm

LADIES, just tell me where to meet ya and I will follow...:)

[Brandy]

icengineer, I'm just curious what brought you to TE and this thread in particular?

caligurl's right, I would have appreciated the suggestion in a PM...especially after the way that the planning of this ride has gone thus far. By the time that I had seen your suggestion, I was beyond accepting any more public commenting on the route.

[caligurl]

icengineer, I'm just curious what brought you to TE and this thread in particular?



good question!

[tprevost]

Lets just appreciate all of the hard work that went into planning this route and enjoy it. I, for one, will happily (or not, depending on the hills :rolleyes: ) ride wherever the directions show. I'm sure there are a million alternatives so the next person to put a ride together in the area can use some of those; but this looks like a great route for this Sunday.

Thank you Brandy and Tiffanie for painstakingly riding and driving the route to check it out; it looks like you've thought of all of the issues and chosen the best combination.

I am totally looking forward to it!

Tracy

ps. Cali - Meeting at 8 (probably riding at 8:15-8:30)

[icengineer]

icengineer, I'm just curious what brought you to TE and this thread in particular?


Several people in the Rebels group mentioned TE. I looked, and happened to see the OC July 30th title.

[Brandy]

Several people in the Rebels group mentioned TE. I looked, and happened to see the OC July 30th title.

Makes sense. Are any of them posters here? I thought we had all of our OC riders identified! :p

[icengineer]

Makes sense. Are any of them posters here? I thought we had all of our OC riders identified! :p

I have no idea! Next time I'll ask what names they post under...

[Brandy]

I'm obsessively checking weather.com to see what's in store for us on Sunday and we're looking good so far :) Let's just cross our fingers that the forecast sticks!

Trabuco Canyon (closest area to Santiago Canyon Rd.)
Sun Jul 30 Partly Cloudy
86°/62°

Newport Beach
Sun Jul 30 Partly Cloudy
74°/64°

Irvine
Sun Jul 30 Partly Cloudy
74°/61°

[icengineer]

There's also a weather station at Fremont Canyon, north of Irvine Lake. The information gets updated hourly:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryFx?FMC

There's no forecast, but you can check the temps they measure there against the predictions.

[bikerchick68]

Hi All! I haven't read this entire post... but tprevost emailed me to ask if I was coming... and unfortunately I won't be there... because I am finally having that cycling related issue taken care of surgically tomorrow! :D Seems dumb to be excited to be having surgery but it will be a relief. Outpatient and very minor but it will be SO great to ride without hurting again!

Anyway, I have to be off the bike for a week to a week and a half due to the stitches... hope you ladies have a great time... be safe, drink and eat plenty and gossip the whole way :D

[Ninabike]

BC98 - Sending healing thoughts your way!!

Nina

[ACG]

Tell me where to meet you ladies on Sunday and what time! I'm so lame that I scrolled this whole thread and couldn't figure it out!

[Brandy]

BC98...I'm thinking about you today! Wishing you a super speedy recovery :)

[Brandy]

Tell me where to meet you ladies on Sunday and what time! I'm so lame that I scrolled this whole thread and couldn't figure it out!

Bonita Creek Park in Newport Beach at 8:00 a.m.

[Brandy]

What: Team Estrogen meets Bike Forums (aka Team Hormones...lol)

Where: Bonita Creek Park in Newport Beach (University and La Vida off of Jamboree)
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Date: Sunday July 30th

When: 8:00 a.m. sharp so we can leave ASAP before the inferno starts!

We'll ride the SD Creek Trail up to Irvine and make our way toward Chapman/Jamboree where we'll regroup and refill water bottles before starting the climb through Santiago Canyon Road. We'll come out on Glenn Ranch and then take that across Portola where we'll stop for food (Starbucks, Wahoo's, pizza, deli or BBQ) at mile 29. After eating we'll head toward Irvine and take a bike path that will put us close to Bonita side of Newport Coast Drive and after climbing that we'll head toward Back Bay where people can either head back to their cars, or do a 9 mile loop of Back Bay.

Total mileage including Back Bay should be just under 60 miles and there should be around 3500 feet of elevation gain. This is a SOCIAL RIDE vs. a hammerfest and jschen has volunteered to torture anyone who breaks the no-drop rule. :eek: :D

We welcome anyone and everyone, even if you're new :) Just be sure to post on the thread so we know to look for you!

[Tiffanie]

It's tomorrow, ladies!!!! I'm so excited!! :D
Does everyone know the meeting place, time, how to get there, etc?

eta: duh. I just saw Brandy's post above. For some reason this thread showed as read to me so I hadn't seen it bumped for awhile. :o :p

[Brandy]

I'm excited too!!!! :D

[greenmachine]

Ditto! :D

[Brandy]

Thank you for coming everyone! I had a great time, I hope everyone else did as well. :cool:

[Tiffanie]

What a great ride today! I had such a good time. It was nice to meet all of you! :)

[greenmachine]

It was a REALLY great ride today :D

Thanks to Brandy and Tiffanie for planning a terrific route! Nice bike paths, very little traffic and lots of great people to ride with too.

Me and Sylvia decided on the way home from the ride that OC has some of the best riding in So. Cal.

It was so nice meeting everybody!!

[Brandy]

I'm glad that you enjoyed the day Judy...it was really good to see you again!

We're sharing ride reports and Fixer is posting lots of pics over at Bike Forums.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=215201

Off to bed for me. I realized when I logged my miles for the day that I am at 475.61 for the month of July. Not one to let a challenge pass me by, I talked Tiff into riding 24.39 miles with me in the morning so I can make it a 500 mile month! :D

[greenmachine]

I'm glad that you enjoyed the day Judy...it was really good to see you again!

We're sharing ride reports and Fixer is posting lots of pics over at Bike Forums.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=215201

Off to bed for me. I realized when I logged my miles for the day that I am at 475.61 for the month of July. Not one to let a challenge pass me by, I talked Tiff into riding 24.39 miles with me in the morning so I can make it a 500 mile month! :D

OMG! A 500 mile month? That's awesome! I wish I could say that...

Thanks for the link; I'll check it out. Sleep well...ZZZZZzzzzzzzz

[caligurl]

brandy and tiff.... what an AWESOME ride!!!!!!!!!

so now you know... i didn't want to go! lol! didn't want to drive 2.5 hours and spend $65.00 in gas.. but hubby made me! :p well... i'm REALLY glad we went! not only did i get to finally meet you and tiff... and a bunch of the guys i'd been "talking" to for months over at BF..... plus i got to meet a couple other gals from here!

i was SO worried on the drive down (and pissed at hubby! lol!) cuz it RAINED.... POURED for about a hour of our trip... i'm like "we're gonna be the only ones that show up!" fortunately we drove out of the rain and it was cloudy but no rain in newport beach!

i was SHOCKED at the size of the group when we arrived at the park! WAY more than anyone anticipated! a LOT of BF folks had shown up! we were all ready to take off... and i realized i had forgotten to reset my edge.... so there i was trying to reset it (it was being testy...) i told hubby to go.... "i have a route slip" which i'm quite caple of following! (which, by the way was WELL written and very easy to follow! much better than a lot of organized ride route slips!)

the roads were great.... hardly any traffic.... a bunch of us were snapping pics... we were on a four lane road with a bike lane... so to get good pics... we'd sneak out into the lane.. but no biggie... the streets weren't busy at all!! and we looked first! so everyone was safe!! lol!

we all regrouped at the first sag! (they picked a good spot!) then set out to climb santiago canyon... very pretty but very COLD! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

the lunch stop was also an awesome pick! lots of choices for those who wanted to eat or grab a snack! everyone waited til all were in and had a bit of time to get some food... then some were getting antsy to get back on the road (i, for one, am not a sit around at rest stops kind of person... i like to tinkle... get water... grab a snack and eat on the bike! lol!)

so a bunch of us took off... we thought the others were behind us... but they weren't... but we continued ahead... cuz the ones who hadn't followed were actually a larger group... so NO ONE was left alone... they had over 2/3 of the group with them!

the bike paths.... and then the view of the ocean on the downhill.... were gorgeous... breathtaking!

backbay was so pretty!!!!!!!!! i can't wait til we get to do the second "tour de sugar shorts!"

GREAT JOB brandy and tiff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everyone made it back safe and sound! everyone i talked to LOVED the ride!!!!!! and LOVED the route!!!!!

[bcipam]

Being at the back of the ride I have another perspective. There were actually 3 main groups, the first the fast group of which Cali rode. The next with Brandy and Tiff and off the back, way back, left at the lunch stop was the TE group. Thankfully I knew and the route and BIG THANKS goes out to my buddy Wayne who out of the goodness of his heart, volunteered to sweep the slower riders, especially through the Canyon and after the lunch stop. Not that he mind riding with 5 ladies after lunch.

Just before the Shady Ridge climb we caught up with Brandy and Tiff. This "large" (fluffy) lady just couldn't compete with those youngums and I was passed by everyone going up this short but steep hill. Again Wayne was a big help in making sure the last group got in safe and sound.

BTW - most of the chat and photos are over at the other website. To check it out go to bikeforums.net. Check the ROAD thread and look for "Tour de Sugars Shorts". Brandy, Tiff and Cali are in alot of the photos, especially in the front group, and on page 6 are alot of our group as we rode thru the Canyon. I have on a BCI jersey, Tracy is wearing a nice lavendar/blue top, Audrey has a green shell over a red tank and Judy is wearing a white jersey with blue and green circles. My buddy Wayne has on a LA Fun Ride jersey.

[Ninabike]

Hey everyone - I'm jealous!! Sounds like you all had a great ride and met a bunch of fun new people. I wish I could have been there. I finally got my triple so no more excuses on the hills!! See you all at Cool Breeze - if not sooner.

Nina

[greenmachine]

Hey everyone - I'm jealous!! Sounds like you all had a great ride and met a bunch of fun new people. I wish I could have been there. I finally got my triple so no more excuses on the hills!! See you all at Cool Breeze - if not sooner.

Nina

Nina, we missed you and you would have had a blast. It was a great group of riders. But I would NOT have been able to do the ride without my granny gears!

See you at Cool Breeze!

[Brandy]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Done. Done. Done. Done. Done. Done. Done. Holy freaking cow. I'm done. I can't even respond to your version of events Pam. Those who were there know the details and for the record...never, ever, will I bother to plan a ride here at TE again. You can find me at Bike Forums.

[Tiffanie]

Being at the back of the ride I have another perspective. There were actually 3 main groups, the first the fast group of which Cali rode. The next with Brandy and Tiff and off the back, way back, left at the lunch stop was the TE group. Thankfully I knew and the route and BIG THANKS goes out to my buddy Wayne who out of the goodness of his heart, volunteered to sweep the slower riders, especially through the Canyon and after the lunch stop. Not that he mind riding with 5 ladies after lunch.

Just before the Shady Ridge climb we caught up with Brandy and Tiff. This "large" (fluffy) lady just couldn't compete with those youngums and I was passed by everyone going up this short but steep hill. Again Wayne was a big help in making sure the last group got in safe and sound.

BTW - most of the chat and photos are over at the other website. To check it out go to bikeforums.net. Check the ROAD thread and look for "Tour de Sugars Shorts". Brandy, Tiff and Cali are in alot of the photos, especially in the front group, and on page 6 are alot of our group as we rode thru the Canyon. I have on a BCI jersey, Tracy is wearing a nice lavendar/blue top, Audrey has a green shell over a red tank and Judy is wearing a white jersey with blue and green circles. My buddy Wayne has on a LA Fun Ride jersey.

Oh wow Pam. How is it you know where everyone's position was during the ride? Was Wayne your spy, too? Just curious, since you were left at the back of the ride. :rolleyes: Don't get me wrong, he seemed like a nice guy and it was very nice of him to sweep the rear. I'm sure all of the people he was able to assist certainly appreciated his help.

The issue about Caligurl and her dh has already been discussed. No need to re-hash it out here.

NO ONE was left at the lunch stop. I recall riding with you guys from the lunch stop all the way to Shady Ridge. For the record, we weren't puzzled about the trail entrance (we had been there just a few days before), I was having trouble with my gearing and a few people stopped to help me out.

There were actually three times during the ride I was with "your" group and every time came a comment from you basically "shoo-ing" me away. You know, I was there to meet the people I've come to know on the forums (including the people in "your" group), have a good time and enjoy the ride. From what I can tell, 99.9% of the people there did just that.

Actually, FYI, I didn't end up in ANY group while climbing each of the hills. That's right. I was a 'tweener, not too fast but not too slow. All by my lonesome. I was just fine with that though because I wouldn't have been good company anyway, with all of my huffing and puffing.

Your last paragraph here reminds me of some type of popularity contest! I won't even comment on it.

I guess I'm a little surprised. Obviously, I'm a new rider and maybe I'm not getting correct "etiquette" for group rides. But with the amount of people who showed up it would be nearly impossible to keep the pack together. The faster, stronger riders would feel the need to hold back and the slower riders would perhaps feel the need to kick it up a notch. I think everyone rode at their own pace yesterday and there were plenty of regrouping points along the way. I noticed 3 or 4 of the guys riding the front were alternating returning to the back to make sure everyone was safe and doing ok. That really spoke volumes with me, having me think "what a great group! this is what it's all about!"

I'm sorry you feel the way you did/do. Perhaps if you didn't shoo everyone off, it could have been more enjoyable for you.

[/END RANT]

I'm done responding to your negativity. Oh and I didn't bring this "private" for obvious reasons.

[bcipam]

My perspective - if you read the post was from the of the pack. I lay no claims to the front.

The group that rode with me from lunch to Shady Ridge was Audrey, Tracey, Sylvia, Judy and Wayne. We were met by CJBruin at Laguna Canyon and Alton but he rode ahead. 2 other riders were caught and we finally caught you and Brandy at Quail Hill just before Shady Canyon but we had to stop/slow down for everyone to catch up and you guys rode ahead. We met again just at the entrance to the bike trail. I didn't know what you were doing. I rode up and you passed me.

I Understand you and Brandy are new riders and not acquainted with group riding. I do suggest you come out some time and ride with one of the established OC clubs like OCRR, BCI or OCW. A route slip is posted and everyone goes on their own. No one expects the ride to be swept (unless specifically listed as "no drop" but everyone knows that means "if you can keep up") but this ride was advertised as NO DROP. A number of people drove from all over to participate and were not, unlike club riders, familiar with the area. Someone had to stay back and make sure everyone found the route. Had everyone done this ride before, I wouldn't have worried.

For me this was not a popularity contest. I could care less and maybe that's where the animosity comes from. I'm not in any way trying to steal anyone's thunder. For me it was a chance to do another ride with the great gals I met at TE and help prepare myself for Cool Breeze. I also just wanted everyone to be safe and happy. Nothing else. Sorry. That's it.

BTW Wayne is a nice guy. You really should not disparage him. Me? I'm the first to make fun of myself. But Wayne came out to support us and he was very kind to give up part of his day to assist with the ride. It's just his nature to be kind and helpful. Also thanks go out to all that helped. I know Extort and Jchen and CJBruin and Cali's husband because they hung out back at times but thanks to everyone else who helped and I didn't know.

PSS: I was not shooing you off. I don't much talk during riding especially in groups. Once we spaced out and were riding in 2 and 3's I was OK. The group was very large and all over the road especially up Harvard which makes me nervous. As a former board member of BCI I'm all too aware of the complaints bike clubs get from motorists. Plus a number of years ago I had a very bad crash. I suffered a head injury and fractured collarbone. You didn't know that. But when in large groups of riders I don't know I'm being observant and wary - that may seem standoffish. I know I was alittle "rule nazi" at first and actually got into it with Extort when I complained about some of the riders being out in the road taking photos while cars came by. Sorry - just too many friends have been injuried while riding by their own negligence and by cars. It was just a ride. Everyone had good time. Everyone finished and everyone was safe. Geez, need to stop being so sensitive. Personally, I just don't get it.

[Tiffanie]

My perspective - if you read the post was from the of the pack. I lay no claims to the front.

The group that rode with me from lunch to Shady Ridge was Audrey, Tracey, Sylvia, Judy and Wayne. We were met by CJBruin at Laguna Canyon and Alton but he rode ahead. 2 other riders were caught and we finally caught you and Brandy at Quail Hill just before Shady Canyon but we had to stop/slow down for everyone to catch up and you guys rode ahead. We met again just at the entrance to the bike trail. I rode up and you passed me.

I Understand you and Brandy are new riders and not acquainted with group riding. I do suggest you come out some time and ride with one of the established OC clubs like OCRR, BCI or OCW. A route slip is posted and everyone goes on their own. No one expects the ride to be swept (unless specifically listed as "no drop" but everyone knows that means "if you can keep up") but this ride was advertised as NO DROP. A number of people drove from all over to participate and were not, unlike club riders, familiar with the area. Someone had to stay back and make sure everyone found the route. Had everyone done this ride before, I wouldn't have worried.

For me this was not a popularity contest. I could care less and maybe that's where the animosity comes from. I'm not in any way trying to steal anyone's thunder. For me it was a chance to do another ride with the great gals I met at TE and help prepare myself for Cool Breeze. I also just wanted everyone to be safe and happy. Nothing else. Sorry. That's it.

PS: Wayne is a nice guy. You really should not disparage him. Me? I'm the first to make fun of myself. But Wayne came out to support us and he was very kind to give up part of his day to assist with the ride. Also thanks go out to all that helped. I know Extort and Jchen and CJBruin and Cali's husband because they hung out back at times but thanks to everyone else who helped and I didn't know.

I'm really not interested in participating in group rides with established bike clubs, but thank you for the recommendation.

The popularity contest comment was coming from your statement about ALLLL the pictures posted of Brandy and myself.

It was posted as a no drop and it was completed as a no drop. Although there wasn't one or two specific people designated as sweeps, there was always someone heading back down the hills to make sure everyone was ok.

I'm not disparaging Wayne. He did seem like a nice guy and I'm sure he is. Maybe I could've talked to him a bit if I didn't continue to get shoo'd. As I said in my previous post, I'm sure all of his assitance was greatly appreciated. It's great he came out for the ride, but you need to understand we didn't ask for him to "give up part of his day to support us". He was welcome whether he had plans to assist or not.

[bcipam]

Huh it was to let everyone know there were photos posted of you and Brandy and Cali and Audrey... etc all the folks from TE. People like to see photos. I know I do.

Most of the first photos are of you and Cali and Brandy. Somehow somewhere along the line someone took photos of the back of the group so they got my big fat rear :eek: and posted it on page 6. Thank you whoever that was! Much appreciated! Now please take it down?!?! :(
You also start to see Audrey, Tracy and Judy about that time. That's all.

PS: I would bet had you rode back to speak with Wayne - who was back with Tracey and Judy and who else, he didnt ride with me much of the time, he wouldn't have shoo'd you away. He likes speaking with the ladies! One reason he likes to help (well that and he's good natured).

[roadfix]

Most of the first photos are of you and Cali and Brandy. Somehow somewhere along the line someone took photos of the back of the group so they got my big fat rear :eek: and posted it on page 6. Thank you whoever that was! Much appreciated! Now please take it down?!?! :(
You also start to see Audrey, Tracy and Judy about that time. That's all.


Hello, new poster here. I apologize for posting that photo in question. It has been removed.
I also admit I took many, many more photos of people I already knew and neglected a few others I did not know. I will do my best to include everyone fairly in future rides.

Take care,
roadfix

[tprevost]

Hello, new poster here. I apologize for posting that photo in question. It has been removed.
I also admit I took many, many more photos of people I already knew and neglected a few others I did not know. I will do my best to include everyone fairly in future rides.

Take care,
roadfix

can ya wait til I lose 10 more pounds please ;)

[bcipam]

Hello, new poster here. I apologize for posting that photo in question. It has been removed.
I also admit I took many, many more photos of people I already knew and neglected a few others I did not know. I will do my best to include everyone fairly in future rides.

Take care,
roadfix

Thank you kindly. This old lady appreciates it very much!!!! :D