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ny biker
10-14-2013, 09:15 AM
This is interesting.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2013/10/sleep-and-genetic-obesity-risk.html#more

Of course for many people, getting more sleep is easier said than done. But it can make an important different for weight control.

Wahine
10-14-2013, 12:31 PM
Interesting link. Thanks for sharing.

lph
10-14-2013, 01:45 PM
That was fascinating. I forget the term, but I've been reading more and more lately about studies on how various environmental factors activate or de-activate genes.

Owlie
10-14-2013, 09:12 PM
Epigenetics!

Now I need a nap. Zzz...

lph
10-14-2013, 10:46 PM
Thank you! I was going to say eugenics, but luckily I googled it first.

Pax
10-15-2013, 04:33 AM
I've been looking into this for a while, my doc and I are having a hard time figuring out how I can weigh what I weigh with the diet I observe. She thinks an adult lifetime of poor sleep is playing into it.

emily_in_nc
10-15-2013, 07:34 AM
I've been reading things like this too. I believe it. My mother seems to be on calorie restrictive diets all the time, yet cannot lose weight. She has terrible sleep habits. She goes up to her bedroom early, but has the TV on (with lights off) until she falls asleep and after. She'll wake up at 1-2 am or so and turn off the tube, but then she wakes up really early and can't get back to sleep. So she probably ends up getting 5-6 hours of sleep most nights, not really enough. I am sure the sleep she does get is not great quality because of the noise and the light of the TV. But she won't change her habits and thinks she can't get to sleep without the TV. Urrrrghhhhhhh!

Pax
10-15-2013, 08:01 AM
One of the best things I've ever found to help me sleep was earplugs. I can put them in and settle in to seriously deep sleep, no distractions, no waking up to a noise and being unable to go back to sleep. They are wonderful!

Jolt
10-15-2013, 11:18 AM
Interesting. I do think a lot of the correlation probably has to do with lack of sleep making people want to eat worse food and not feel like exercising as much...I know when I have a rough night on call I often have to force myself to work out and if there is crappy food around I am more likely to eat it. As for the earplugs, Pax, doesn't it make you nervous that you won't be able to hear something if you need to (like a fire alarm etc.)? I have never liked earplugs for that reason, although have resorted to wearing them in a few situations.

Pax
10-15-2013, 11:32 AM
Not nervous at all, although I hear that frequently from others. After not sleeping well for decades I'll risk about anything to get a decent nights sleep.

GLC1968
10-15-2013, 11:32 AM
I believe it.

I know that for me, when I'm tired, I'm constantly fighting an internal battle to 'wake myself up' or 'make myself feel better' or 'get a little more energy' from food. And it's always high carb/high sugar items that come to mind. If I wasn't watching my intake so closely, that would easily translate into a lot more calories consumed without even thinking about it. And I'm not even *that* sleep deprived as a general rule!

OakLeaf
10-15-2013, 12:09 PM
I've never had trouble hearing anything important through earplugs, and my phone alarm is not very loud. I sleep in earplugs whenever I travel, and also on nights when DH is snoring or thrashing. The main issue I have is increasing sensitivity of my ear canals. I can barely wear the Hearos Ultimate Softness any more. I got a pair of custom earplugs made, which are good as long as I sleep on my back (which I do most of the time anyway).

I wonder whether they'll find that it's the same genetic pathways that are switched by any disruption of the circadian rhythm - since I've also read that lack of natural light contributes to obesity. One of the things that's most frustrating to me is learning how important natural light is (both by reading and by personal experience), and yet knowing that for most people in the developed world, being able to sleep in the dark and wake to the light, never mind getting sunlight during the day, are unattainable luxuries. :mad:

ny biker
10-15-2013, 12:24 PM
I need ear plugs and a white noise machine to sleep with the noise my neighbors make. I had to buy a louder alarm clock because I was not hearing my old one, though I could hear it fine with just the white noise. I think I would probably hear the smoke detector in my condo, but I won't hear the one out in the main hallway. Though I don't think I would hear that anyway, because it's pretty far from my bedroom.

Emily, I agree your mother probably does not have the best environment for sound sleeping, but part of her problem might just be due to getting older, since people tend to sleep for shorter periods as they age.

emily_in_nc
10-15-2013, 06:52 PM
I use ear plugs frequently as well. Always when traveling as unexpected noises (like hall doors slamming in hotels when people get in late/leave early) can occur at any time. Even at home, sometimes my DH snores or there are sirens or thunder. I don't like using them as I also find my ear canals sensitive to them, but at times they are a godsend.

I don't worry too much about not being able to hear important sounds as they are not THAT soundproof, and often I only put in one since I spend most of my time on my right side so don't put one in that ear. They do help quite a bit with getting extra sleep I know I need.

Melalvai
10-17-2013, 04:10 PM
Thank you! I was going to say eugenics, but luckily I googled it first.


*snort*!

Catrin
10-17-2013, 06:30 PM
Since I've moved my sleep patterns have returned to what they were a year or more back. I've still been under a lot of unusual stress so it wasn't the sudden decrease of stress that provided the relief and return of good sleep. I think that there was more parking lot noise in my old apartment than I realized. The building/neighbors in particular were quiet, but not so much the parking lot. This place is MUCH quieter, and I am sleeping very well outside of the occasional bladder call. I will take it! I am a slight sleeper so that isn't much of a surprise, but this is good to know should I have problems in the future. Nothing wrong with earplugs if needed!

goldfinch
10-21-2013, 11:19 AM
Since I was in my late teens my sleep was terrible despite work at good sleep hygiene. Fat came after bad sleep. Sleep apnea and restless leg syndrome were the primary causes of the bad sleep. My sleep improved when they were treated. There is good evidence that sleep apnea can lead to poor food choices and may effect hormones that suppress appetite. Unfortunately, treating sleep apnea doesn't seem to help with losing weight though.

Many in my family suffer from sleep issues. Apnea is common. Sleep paralysis is common. I am from a family that dreads sleep.

I have to take drugs to sleep, mostly to treat the RLS. My sleep apnea is a structural issue and did not improve at all with weight loss. My sleep doc says that it is actually pretty rare for sleep apnea to go away entirely with weight loss, though the severity may improve. I think that if a person snores and they have high blood pressure they should be tested for sleep apnea even if they are skinny.

Sometimes I feel like my life is a series of pills and machinery.