Cycling in the 2012 Olympics (spoilers allowed)

[ny biker]

Let's get this party started.


I dug around on the NBC Olympics website and found something about the men's road race being televised live on NBC at 5 am eastern time on July 28.

For those in the US, look on this page, on the right side (scroll down a bit), and you can enter your ZIP Code and cable TV info. Then you will be able to look up cycling events by date to see what is on TV, and which channel.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/cycling/results-schedules/index.html

[Catrin]

Ooooh, the mountain bike races will be at a civilized time on weekend mornings :D I figured I wouldn't be able to see them, thanks for the link!

[malkin]

Wow, thanks for the link.
Even I can figure out what will be on TV.

[thekarens]

Nice link, thanks!

[ny biker]

I only checked the schedule for the men's road race so far. This morning I realized they give a 6-hour window for the listing -- 5 to 11 -- which means it will probably be interspersed with other events.

Fortunately my DVR has plenty of room on it, so I can record the whole 6 hours.

[jobob]

Fortunately my DVR has plenty of room on it, so I can record the whole 6 hours.

You might want to set it to stop recording an hour later or so. Can't tell you how many times I've missed recording the end of live events that extended beyond the scheduled time slot. :rolleyes:

[Catrin]

Who else is watching the opening ceremonies this evening? I think this is the first time I've done so.

[hebe]

I am, but will have to miss the end as it's getting late here. I was really impressed, so much of it resonated for me.

[Catrin]

I am, but will have to miss the end as it's getting late here. I was really impressed, so much of it resonated for me.

It doesn't start here for 30 more minutes...and I've got to get up early to meet up with someone to go mountain biking so I doubt I will see all of it either.

I guess Mitt Romney committed a faux paux today in an interview in London, but I didn't quite hear what he said.

[malkin]

Yesterday Mitt said he wasn't sure that London had it all together for the games. Cameron was brilliant, saying that it would be might be easier to stage the Games "in the middle of nowhere" (i.e. Utah) than in one of the busiest cities on the planet.

Some other numpty in the Romney team told the English press that Romney had a better understanding of our common Anglo Saxon heritage than Obama.

I heard a report about where protests and political statements will and will not be allowed in London.

Please let the sport be a diversion from the politics!

[Catrin]

Thanks for the summary, i've been too busy to pay much attention. Let the politics step aside for a few weeks!

[shootingstar]

Thanks for the summary, i've been too busy to pay much attention. Let the politics step aside for a few weeks!

+1
Sorry, it's pretty presumptuous of a political candidate who has not been elected in office, to assume a position to even comment on another country's events while they are visiting on foreign soil. It's tasteless and lacks common sense diplomacy.

[shootingstar]

For Canada, I hope Clara Hughes (who did cycle in previous Olympics and also won medal in speed skating in a Winter Olympic) will do well in cycling to satisfy herself. She has won several Olympic medals in both sports. Her profile: http://clara-hughes.com/about-clara/


She had been struggling with depression (and has been a spokesperson for mental health).

[malkin]

Back to our regularly scheduled thread...
Barely turned on NBC and I'm tired of the production values already.

[pll]

Back to our regularly scheduled thread...
Barely turned on NBC and I'm tired of the production values already.

+1

So boring...

[ny biker]

OMFG. I'm setting the DVR, and the on-screen cable guide has "Olympics" from 5 am to SIX PM tomorrow. My choices are to record THIRTEEN HOURS or none at all. There's no way to end the recording at 11:00 or noon.

Same for Sunday, when they'll show the women's road race.

Idiots.

UPDATE: A MIRACLE HAS OCCURRED. I called Comcast to ask how I could record just a portion of the 13-hour program that was listed in the on-screen guide, and the customer service person actually was able to tell me how to do it.

I am speechless. A positive experience with the cable company.

[Koronin]

My dish isn't quite that bad it's got Olympics from 5am until 8am and then from 8am until 6pm. I'm also not taping all that. I'm taking the F1 and GP2 stuff and will just watch whatever I can of the Olympics which won't be a good chunck of tomorrow afternoon since I just picked up a theater trailer check for tomorrow and will be at the movies watching trailers most of the afternoon (not movies, just the previews). At least the pay will be decent.

[colby]

Back to our regularly scheduled thread...
Barely turned on NBC and I'm tired of the production values already.

I'm watching the West Coast feed now, and during the parade of athletes the commentary is so frequently focused on who will or won't win what quantity of medals. It kind of seems anti-Olympic spirit, at least at this point in the games, where we're celebrating the coming together of athletes. It feels like an hour of sizing up the competition and patting those who don't have a chance on the head for being so cute.

Yay for Simon Whitfield, Canadian triathlete, for being the flag bearer!

The commentary through all the music numbers was inane. Some of it is interesting (what each bit is supposed to symbolize or who developed different pieces) but after that, just go away and let us watch.

They also cut this segment: http://t.co/1o4ucLKK

Also... so many commercials! My dad called it the commercialympics opening ceremonies. So thankful for DVRs.

(Maybe watching the opening ceremonies late on a Friday night after I only got 4 hours of sleep is a bad idea ;))

[hebe]

I'm sorry that your coverage was so heavily edited and commented. I am hoping that the BBC will put some of the Opening Ceremony onto i-player, it was some of the most amazing television that I have ever watched and I think deserves watching in its original commercial-free form. Cycling was well represented I thought, with Bradley Wiggins opening the Ceremony and Sir Chris Hoy leading the British team out. The sequence with winged cyclists looked pretty amazing too, though that was after my bedtime. And how brilliant that the cauldron was lit by seven young athletes.

So brilliant though - The Queen taking a cameo role with James Bond, Rowan Atkinson playing with the London Symphony Orchestra, a superb segment on the NHS performed with staff and patients from Great Ormond St childrens' hospital, incredibly poignant moments with the dance routine remembering the victims of the terrorist attack the day after we were celebrating getting the Olympics. That's very sad indeed that that piece was cut from your feed, Colby.

[pll]

Morning despair. I wake up early to watch the men's road race... they had it on for a few minutes and then cut to swimming, preliminary heats and women warming up for heat 1. NBC is just terrible. :mad:

Update: thanks to ny_biker, I am watching online now. Thanks. Crisis averted.

[Catrin]

Morning despair. I wake up early to watch the men's road race... they had it on for a few minutes and then cut to swimming, preliminary heats and women warming up for heat 1. NBC is just terrible. :mad:

Update: thanks to ny_biker, I am watching online now. Thanks. Crisis averted.

NBC keeps going back and forth - but yeah - swimming is getting more time :(

[silversurfer]

You may also like to try: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video

There is live coverage of a number of events - pick your sport. Men's road race on now. The only thing is you'll get British commentators rooting for our team.

[silversurfer]

I'm sorry that your coverage was so heavily edited and commented. I am hoping that the BBC will put some of the Opening Ceremony onto i-player, it was some of the most amazing television that I have ever watched and I think deserves watching in its original commercial-free form. Cycling was well represented I thought, with Bradley Wiggins opening the Ceremony and Sir Chris Hoy leading the British team out. The sequence with winged cyclists looked pretty amazing too, though that was after my bedtime. And how brilliant that the cauldron was lit by seven young athletes.

So brilliant though - The Queen taking a cameo role with James Bond, Rowan Atkinson playing with the London Symphony Orchestra, a superb segment on the NHS performed with staff and patients from Great Ormond St childrens' hospital, incredibly poignant moments with the dance routine remembering the victims of the terrorist attack the day after we were celebrating getting the Olympics. That's very sad indeed that that piece was cut from your feed, Colby.

Like hebe I was really impressed with the opening ceremony. BBC Iplayer link if you want to watch it here http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00w2r5v/Olympic_Ceremonies_London_2012_Online_Opening_Ceremony_audio_desc/ I think there is a version with commentary and also one without.

[Crankin]

Woke up here in Friday Harbor at 6 AM, after an 11 hr. travel day yesterday, putting the Gurus together, and drinking/eating with old friends. The cable signal for NBC was almost nil, so DH just spent an hr. fixing it. We could hear the men's road race, but not see it. Now the swimming is on.
What's wrong with these people at our inn? Don't they know everyone wants to wake up at 5 and watch cycling?

[pll]

Dear Rigoberto: You must learn to pay attention in the last kilometer of a road race. :eek:

What was Urán looking at? Good for Vino, though. Wish they had shown the medal ceremony instead of heat 1000 of the swimming competition. And a replay of an earlier heat. I hate NBC.

[colby]

Thank you for the BBC links! Much better!! I posted before I saw Chris Hoy, too, very cool.

The cycling coverage on NBC makes me yearn for the features of the TdF broadcasts. It would be so useful to have the overview of how far back the peloton is from the breakaways, how many breakaways there are, how many athletes are in each, how many miles there are to go, and the time, on the screen much more often.

The commentary isn't bad, though, and they've been mostly showing cycling for several hours now. Very cool! It's timely that the Olympics happen so close to the TdF so people are more interested in cycling.

I am having a bit of an issue with time-delayed coverage, I either have to watch the coverage OR read the news, can't do both unless I want the result spoiled. A lot of it is still worth watching, though.

[malkin]

We got the whole men's road race.
It looked like we had several channels to choose from showing long bits of stated sports rather than the old irritating cut away, cut away, cut away coverage.

***spoiler***


:(
To hit the wall is heartbreaking. Haven't heard yet if it was bone breaking.

[pll]

To hit the wall is heartbreaking. Haven't heard yet if it was bone breaking.

Ditto. I did not see the crash (out on a ride), just the aftermath. Heartbreaking is appropriate.

[hebe]

The BBC road race coverage was quite disappointing, apparently this is because they take it from a separate Olympics broadcaster. There was very little in the way of onscreen metrics and an awful lot of aerial shots of trees. I hope they improve it for the womens race tomorrow.

[pll]

Just found this -- the cause was some faulty GPS... might be sorted before the women's race:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/28/bbc-olympic-broadcasting-services-cycling

[hebe]

Thank you pll! I hope they do sort it.

[pll]

Cancellara has a contusion and a hematoma in the shoulder, but they do not know yet whether he will ride the TT on Wednesday. I hope he does.

[Koronin]

Thank you pll, I was wondering how badly he got hurt. I also hope he is able to race the TT. I also hope we get decent coverage of the TT.

[malkin]

I'm never saying TT again! From now on I'll say "contre-la-montre."

[malkin]

Watching women's rowing (skull?)...

Doesn't "Gentle Liam" shine up nice?

[redrhodie]

I don't want to hear our anthem unless I can hear everyone else's when they win. It's disrespectful to only play ours.

Off my soapbox.

[ny biker]

I'm confused. I saw almost the entire race, recorded from NBC from 5-11 am. Schlanger and Sherwen did commentary. I was pleasantly surprised by the extent of the coverage. Is that not what other people saw on NBC?

I just fast forwarded when they cut to other sports, mostly because I didn't have time to watch everything.

Fabian has not broken bones but is in lots of pain and says there's a 50/50 chance he'll race the TT.

[colby]

I'm confused. I saw almost the entire race, recorded from NBC from 5-11 am. Schlanger and Sherwen did commentary. I was pleasantly surprised by the extent of the coverage. Is that not what other people saw on NBC?

I just fast forwarded when they cut to other sports, mostly because I didn't have time to watch everything.

Fabian has not broken bones but is in lots of pain and says there's a 50/50 chance he'll race the TT.

That sounds like what I saw on the NBC West Coast from 5-11am also. I wish they'd have shown the stats regularly but the commentary was decent. (I didn't see the beginning and fast forwarded through any other commercials/introductions so I don't know WHO was commenting) I would be absolutely pleased if the womens race is similarly broadcast.

[Koronin]

I don't want to hear our anthem unless I can hear everyone else's when they win. It's disrespectful to only play ours.

Off my soapbox.

Personally I'd rather hear anyone's national anthem than all the little stories they do. Those things annoy me to no end. I want to see the events. I do NOT want to see back stories. Tell me something relative while watching the event fine, but I don't care one little tiny bit about watching a back story.

[pll]

+1 on redrhodie and koronin

I like the medal/anthem ceremonies, but if its focused on the US, not so much. The athlete profiles should be online, on demand features, not an interruption from live coverage. [But then, how would NBC justify sending so many people to London, including several talking heads that do not know about any sport?]

Watching the women's race now.

ETA: It seems Specialized "uniformed" its riders' bikes, both in the men's and the women's races -- anyone riding a Specialized bike has a bright red one.

[Crankin]

I like the back stories. To me, it puts a little human interest in what sometimes is boring. This applies to all sports watching for me.
Watching the women's race. Ugh, rain.

[lovelygamer]

I too love the back stories. I want to know what made this person into an athlete. It also inspired me to do even more in my pursuit of fitness.

I loved the USA story featured today in the road race. Not everyone is born an Olympic athlete! From wall street banker to Olympic cyclist. You go girl (Evelyn Stevens).

The womens road race was great. Hated the rain, and that Stevens didn't get up in that lead pack with Vos. Vos was SO strong for the whole 3.5 hours.

Great race.:D

[BikeDutchess]

Once again I am really annoyed that only certain U.S. time zones get the live feed from NBC and others get tape delay. Saw the women's cycling results posted on FB by my east coast friends before I saw the action on TV. :mad:

[lovelygamer]

Once again I am really annoyed that only certain U.S. time zones get the live feed from NBC and others get tape delay. Saw the women's cycling results posted on FB by my east coast friends before I saw the action on TV. :mad:

In today's electronic age I find it impossible not to know ahead of time. London is five hours ahead of us in the east and all of my phone news apps, twitter and facebook always have the results immediately when they happen.

[tulip]

In today's electronic age I find it impossible not to know ahead of time. London is five hours ahead of us in the east and all of my phone news apps, twitter and facebook always have that results immediately when they happen.

One more reason I'm so glad not to be in the social media loop!!

[BikeDutchess]

@lovelygamer - yes but NBC had been boasting about carrying the Olympic action "live" - if that had been true for all time zones, on-line news feeds etc wouldn't have mattered.

(I'll stop whining now! ;) )

[colby]

I too love the back stories. I want to know what made this person into an athlete. It also inspired me to do even more in my pursuit of fitness.

I loved the USA story featured today in the road race. Not everyone is born an Olympic athlete! From wall street banker to Olympic cyclist. You go girl (Evelyn Stevens).

The womens road race was great. Hated the rain, and that Stevens didn't get up in that lead pack with Vos. Vos was SO strong for the whole 3.5 hours.

Great race.:D

I found it much more fun to watch than the mens race and I'm so glad my NBC feed showed the entire race! I was amazed there wasn't more crashing with how hard the rain was coming down. All of the repeated attacks and response from the peloton, the way the race thinned out the longer it went on, and finally the attack that broke away. I was sad to see the American drop from the pack, but what an awesome finish.

One of the announcers at one point said (I don't recall of which athlete, there are so many that were cross-discipline) "if she were a man, she would be famous." So true.

[Koronin]

+1 on redrhodie and koronin

I like the medal/anthem ceremonies, but if its focused on the US, not so much. The athlete profiles should be online, on demand features, not an interruption from live coverage. [But then, how would NBC justify sending so many people to London, including several talking heads that do not know about any sport?]

Watching the women's race now.

ETA: It seems Specialized "uniformed" its riders' bikes, both in the men's and the women's races -- anyone riding a Specialized bike has a bright red one.

Putting that stuff on line seems like a great idea to me. I'll change the channel when those things come and hope I change it back in time to watch an actual event. I turn the Olympics on to watch the events not the stupid stories. Personally I don't think they need to send so many people over in the first place. They need 3 to 4 anchor people to be the inbetween to go to and from different events and that's it. Then they need all the individual sport announcers.

[hebe]

I loved the womens race today, amazing riding and even more so given the dreadful weather. Such an inspiration.

I was watching the "live" coverage on my laptop, but still ended up getting spoilers as the video dropped and restarted a few times and I stupidly updated twitter on my phone a few minutes before the end. Of course everyone watching on the tv already knew the ending.

[malkin]

I liked seeing all the spectators who watched the road races "for free."

Then, I remember that for the LA Olympics I got to do the same thing!

[pll]

Just finished watching the women's road race. It took a lot of discipline to avoid looking at any cycling related web site (including this one)... loved the the outburst of emotion at the end. What crummy weather for a ride of any kind. Epic! Marianne Vos is a monster.

[Crankin]

What a finish! I wish Evie Stevens had been on the podium, but it was still exciting. I can't imagine racing in that rain.
Lovely Gamer, Stevens did just start racing, but she was a star player on a couple of HS sports teams and comes from a very athletic family. DS told me his whole HS Facebook group was abuzz w/ pride today when we spoke.

[ny biker]

In today's electronic age I find it impossible not to know ahead of time. London is five hours ahead of us in the east and all of my phone news apps, twitter and facebook always have the results immediately when they happen.

I set up lists in twitter, including one for bike-related people, one for Formula 1 and one for "no spoilers." If I want to avoid knowing the outcome of a bike or F1 race, I only check the no spoilers list. (Cyclists and F1 drivers tend to be fans of each others' sports, so I have to avoid both for either type of race.)

And I just don't check facebook until I've seen the race.

It's not foolproof, but it generally works for me.

I really don't understand why there is no audience for women's cycling -- there's really no difference from the men's racing, so I would think anyone interested in one would also follow the other.

One thing I noticed in both races was that teammates wore the same jersey and shorts but did not necessarily use the same helmet and bike brands. I wonder how that worked. Maybe they're allowed to choose, and they tend to choose their pro sponsors?

[pll]

I really don't understand why there is no audience for women's cycling -- there's really no difference from the men's racing, so I would think anyone interested in one would also follow the other.

One thing I noticed in both races was that teammates wore the same jersey and shorts but did not necessarily use the same helmet and bike brands. I wonder how that worked. Maybe they're allowed to choose, and they tend to choose their pro sponsors?

They tend to use the bike and helmet of their pro teams. I believe it might be a sponsoring requirement, but I'm not 100% sure.

The women's race was exciting. Since the races are less than 150km, they are more aggressive and keep attacking. That's why Sean Kelly advocates for 120km stages in the grand tours, as opposed to stages with over 200km.

[lovelygamer]

What a finish! I wish Evie Stevens had been on the podium, but it was still exciting. I can't imagine racing in that rain.
Lovely Gamer, Stevens did just start racing, but she was a star player on a couple of HS sports teams and comes from a very athletic family. DS told me his whole HS Facebook group was abuzz w/ pride today when we spoke.

Oh that's right, her sister races too right? I think the story said her first race was with her sister. She's just too cute.

I was a bit confused keeping up with who was who in the road race. They didn't show enough pointers with the names on them for me and the riders didn't seem to wear the same outfit or helmet as their partners from the same country, or did they? Vos was aggressive the entire race, just amazing. This is my first women's road race I have watched-ever. I loved it!

[Koronin]

I wonder if the biggest reason there weren't as many people for the women's road was was the weather.

[Koronin]

Well they finally showed someone else's anthem. The French anthem for the men's 4X100 freestyle relay.

[WindingRoad]

That women's road race was awesome! I don't understand why people wouldn't enjoy watching that either.

[lovelygamer]

I wonder if the biggest reason there weren't as many people for the women's road was was the weather.

I bet so. I know I am a 'no rain' kind of girl. I'll cancel most anything if it involves me being in the rain.

[pll]

I was a bit confused keeping up with who was who in the road race. They didn't show enough pointers with the names on them for me and the riders didn't seem to wear the same outfit or helmet as their partners from the same country, or did they? Vos was aggressive the entire race, just amazing. This is my first women's road race I have watched-ever. I loved it!

The coverage was bad. I posted a link to an article in The Guardian where the BBC blames a company affiliated to the IOC for it. That company was blaming Twitter for the lack of information yesterday...

The teams wear the same jersey and shorts, but the teams are smaller. In races and stage races, you would see teams of 9. In the Olympics, the format is more restrictive in the number and the criteria to qualify. Great Britain, the US, the Netherlands had 4 women each in their team. Other teams had 3 (e.g. Brazil), 2 and even just 1. Sometimes sponsors require the riders to use their team bikes (or a bike provided by the sponsor), and it seems the same goes for helmets. Most national cycling federations are probably poor, so this works well for most countries. In the worlds, you will see the same.

I was looking through the pictures from yesterday and it seems most of the riders of Lululemon Specialized were using red helmets and the bright red bike: Evie Stevens (US), Ina Teutenberg (Germany), Clara Hughes (Canada), Emilia Fahlin (Sweden)... Ellen Van Dijk (Netherlands) was not -- she had a black S-Worlks.

[Jo-n-NY]

That sounds like what I saw on the NBC West Coast from 5-11am also. I wish they'd have shown the stats regularly but the commentary was decent. (I didn't see the beginning and fast forwarded through any other commercials/introductions so I don't know WHO was commenting) I would be absolutely pleased if the womens race is similarly broadcast.

and me on the East Coast. I recorded both men and women and thought the coverage was great, especially the womens. I never got to see a womens race before like this before. They just touched in spots on swimming but those parts were very short lived. I think they reshow them in the evening anyway. And this coverage was on a regular prime channel, not the NBC Sports that I would pay extra for.

[ny biker]

So, Cadel has dropped out of the time trial, due to "fatigue."

Cancellara will ride despite his shoulder injury.

[colby]

Armistead comments on the state of professional womens cycling:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armitstead-speaks-out-over-sexism-in-professional-cycling

Maybe the home team winning the gold (and not in the mens race) will shine a bit of a light on the womens side of cycling. I'm not sure it'll change much, but maybe she'll have a bit of a voice.

[katluvr]

Anyone watching the Women's Time Trial this AM?

I really want to see the track cycling (is that what it is called?)

K

[pll]

Good morning! Yep, I was just watching on and off (while stretching after a run, while preparing breakfast).

SteepHill.tv is providing all the times and broadcasts for cycling thus far (even though their heading reads "road cycling"); I love their post race big pictures. Another good site to bookmark is CyclingFans.com

Im guessing one of those sites will list the track cycling events and link to the webcasts.

[hebe]

I missed both sets of time trials, hopefully will catch up later.

[Koronin]

My husband and I are also both looking forward to the track cycling.

[skinimini]

I was in London for the Opening Ceremony and men's race. It was exhilarating to watch the guys zoom by, but that's all I saw--twice, about 15 seconds! Saw much more of the BMW team cars than the racers. Loved the fans' spirit, literally cheering for everyone, but I'll take the TV anytime. Being in a hotel, I didn't have the opportunity for playback. I'll remember this when I get the bug to be a spectator at the TdF!

[ny biker]

I was in London for the Opening Ceremony and men's race. It was exhilarating to watch the guys zoom by, but that's all I saw--twice, about 15 seconds! Saw much more of the BMW team cars than the racers. Loved the fans' spirit, literally cheering for everyone, but I'll take the TV anytime. Being in a hotel, I didn't have the opportunity for playback. I'll remember this when I get the bug to be a spectator at the TdF!

My father is a big Formula 1 fan and he feels the same way about watching races on TV vs in person. It can be fun to see the event live, but if you really want to *see* the race you're better off staying home.

I DVR'd both time trials and watched them last night. The thing with the thrones was weird. Big congrats to Olga Zabelinskaya -- based on how early she started, she obviously wasn't one of the favorites in the TT.

BTW I noticed that many of the women wore makeup during the race. I wonder if they usually do that, or if it was a nod to the TV cameras.

I felt bad for Fabian, but good for him for racing despite the shoulder injury.

[malkin]

In the LA Olympics I watched the road race and yah, it's just a zoom by. We were at least looking over a hill, so they climbed slowerly in front of us and then we could turn around and watch them zoom down the back of the hill. It was circuits too, so they went by a bunch of times.

For the TdF, my fantasy is to be on the route at a place with a TV to watch, and then run outside for the zoom past and then go back inside to watch the rest of the stage.

[colby]

I DVR'd both time trials and watched them last night. The thing with the thrones was weird. Big congrats to Olga Zabelinskaya -- based on how early she started, she obviously wasn't one of the favorites in the TT.

BTW I noticed that many of the women wore makeup during the race. I wonder if they usually do that, or if it was a nod to the TV cameras.

I felt bad for Fabian, but good for him for racing despite the shoulder injury.

Just watched the recap of the TT races online, the womens race was pretty awesome. Zabelinskaya seemed surprised every time someone came through and she just kept sitting, and smiling. Very cool. Kristin Armstrong just dominated, though.

Bradley Wiggins, same boat, he just rocked that TT from start to end. Cool for Team GB to get their cycling medals on after what went wrong for them in the road race.

Haven't watched any Track Cycling, I'll have to watch some of the replays. I wish the primetime coverage covered some of the other sports that happened during the day, or that the other NBC channels would cover some other stuff in the evenings. Even a nice hour-long Olympic recap show like the tennis ones you can catch during big tennis matches. Sometimes I don't have time to fast forward through 4 hours of coverage, but I don't want to miss key parts.