Coach?

[Veronica]

So many of you have mentioned having a coach. Is this someone you see regularly? Is it on line? What do you think has been the biggest benefit to having a coach?

I wonder sometimes about hiring a coach for myself. I worry that it would take the fun out of training. "Now that I've paid someone to lay out a plan, if I don't follow through, it's a waste of money."

My swimming and biking are exactly where they were when I started 5 years ago. I've put zero focus into training those areas. My running has improved, but I wonder what I could I do if I had someone knowledgeable helping out. :p

Veronica

[colby]

My biggest fear about working with a coach is that it's going to be like trying to find a good doctor, chiropractor, massage therapist, dentist, friend, spouse. ;) I don't know if I can endure the bad ones to find the good one, and I don't know that I know enough people to get a good referral.

I am also a little afraid of a coach that is all about training professional/elite amateur athletes, though I know they have to make their money off of more than just that.

A lot of coaches have multiple levels - from just providing training plans, to the occasional phone consultation, to regular phone/email, to in-person.

I also wonder about women being coached by men vs. women. Is there a benefit? Does it matter?

I like the idea of someone who can take a training plan and make it work for me because when I compromise on a training plan I might be missing something important or just skipping rather than re-working. Having to sit down with someone and work through it might make for something that's more well-suited for me and helps me focus on where I need/want to improve.

I'm also interested in whether they help with nutrition, provide referral to nutritionist/dietitian, or something else. Food is such an important part of training and racing.

Looking forward to the answers to this one.

[GLC1968]

I don't have a coach (I have in the past...but not for tri), but I do have one in mind. He is someone I met through a friend and I've had the opportunity to watch him actually coaching his clients in two situations. One was for a timed TT simulation (20 minute indoor thing) and the other was at the tail end of a HIM. I liked his coaching style and I think we'd mesh well together. When (and if) I ever get back to running and tri, I'm going to secure his services.

Susan should have some feedback on this one. She's had multiple coaches for multiple sports, so she probably has some helpful advice.

[Veronica]

My personal trainer has a minor in sports nutrition and my work with her has really helped me to lose some body fat and changed how I eat. It hasn't made my sweet tooth go away though. :eek:. I'm also pretty convinced that all the weight work, core exercises and plyos have helped strengthen all the "little" muscles and have increased my power.

There's no way I 'd give up my time with her.

Veronica

[Wahine]

Hi V.

I've worked with coaches and I've done my own plans. I think it's really helpful to have a plan worked out and written up especially when you're trying to improve in a specific area. But, I don't think it has to come from a coach.

When I was a coached athlete I was sick more often and ended up with injuries because I would listen to my coach before I would listen to myself. When I started coaching myself (writing my own programs using the frame work set out in Joe Friel's book, The Triathelete's Training Bible) I learned to listen to my body's feedback better and I managed to do well in my last few seasons without the illness and injury. Keep in mind that most of my coaching was happening on line and not face to face. If I told my coaches I was tired, they would often encourage me to push through it. I realize now that when I was tired, I was really tired, not just being a wimp about training. I don't think my coaches could see that. Maybe they would have if the coaching was done more face to face.

I'm not quite done with my comments on this topic but that'll have to be it for now. I've got to get back to work. I hope to post a bit more later.

[Veronica]

I've been looking at the Virtual Coach option at Training Peaks. I've been rather aimless in my training this year. That's my made my two races rather stress free so far, which kinda was my plan. And I'm having a lot of fun with my biking and running - but it hasn't really been "training" I think. I'm starting to think I'm ready to be a bit more purposeful. I have at least three more races scheduled this year - one a month.

I have Joe Friel's book and it makes sense, but the actually planning out of workouts and filling out forms seems overwhelming and tedious. I'd like a pick list. ;)

You know, let me put in the dates of my races and the computer creates a calendar with what phase I should be in when. And then I can choose from a list what I need to do based on my limiters and schedule.

Does that make me lazy? :eek:

Veronica

[Veronica]

That thread belongs in the "Accessories" section. :p

You sound like my mother-in-law, "Can't use that; it's too nice." Use the bag. :D

That's also why we started drinking a bottle of champagne every weekend. Life is short,why leave it only for special occasions?

Veronica

[maillotpois]

I have been coached and have coached others - endurance and ultra endurance events being the goals for both. I think it is great to work with someone as long as there are realistic goals and benchmarks and regular check ins to make sure everything is working.

I worked with Roger Rintala at Wenzel coaching. I also worked with him when I was coaching the Death Ride. He is wonderful The friends I have coached for doubles I was a little less structured, but it still worked (and now one of them regularly kicks my a$$. ;). ).

[maillotpois]

I also have 2 Coach bags, but I am using my Roots ones now and prefer them. :p

[chatnoire]

I have a lovely Coach cashmere scarf. It's brown.

I'm interested in the discussion as well, because I've considered the possibility of a coach. I get bored very easily unless I'm pushed and challenged, but I'm also very skittish about going out on my own and trying new things. I feel like a coach could take me places (performance-wise) that I'd never get to on my own. I danced for 12 years, but the three I was in a performance group were infinitely more rigorous and demanding than the rest of them...and therefore more enjoyable to me. I like things to be achievable challenges, and with my riding right now, I'm not sure I even know what a reasonable challenge is.

[HillSlugger]

I've been using a coach since October of 2010. I was getting over an Achilles injury and wanted help with safely ramping up my running again. She got me through a winter solstice 5 miler and then I kept working with her for triathlon.

There have been so many positive for me from the experience. One is that I no longer have to try to puzzle out what I should be doing day-to-day and week-to-week. I could never quite figure out how to do build periods, rest weeks, etc, and it drove me crazy. Now, I get my "assignments" one or two weeks at a time and all I have to do is follow the plan. Second, she pushes me harder than I would push myself, but she pushes me in just the right ways to see real results. She listens to me and understands how I like to train and race and is good with working with my schedule.

The first tri season we worked together I went from being FOMOP to hitting the podium. My swim is stronger, my bike is stronger, my run is stronger, my confidence is improved, and I have a race strategy that works for me.

She's in Texas and I'm in Maryland. We work by email, text, Facebook, Beginner Triathlete, and telephone, as needed.

BTW, I first met her here, but she's no longer active: KSH. i lover her to death!

[Blueberry]

BTW, I first met her here, but she's no longer active: KSH. i lover her to death!

Cool! I wondered how she was doing:)

[colby]

She's in Texas and I'm in Maryland. We work by email, text, Facebook, Beginner Triathlete, and telephone, as needed.

BTW, I first met her here, but she's no longer active: KSH. i lover her to death!

Very awesome! Also glad to hear she's doing well.

[Wahine]

I've been looking at the Virtual Coach option at Training Peaks. I've been rather aimless in my training this year. That's my made my two races rather stress free so far, which kinda was my plan. And I'm having a lot of fun with my biking and running - but it hasn't really been "training" I think. I'm starting to think I'm ready to be a bit more purposeful. I have at least three more races scheduled this year - one a month.

I have Joe Friel's book and it makes sense, but the actually planning out of workouts and filling out forms seems overwhelming and tedious. I'd like a pick list. ;)

You know, let me put in the dates of my races and the computer creates a calendar with what phase I should be in when. And then I can choose from a list what I need to do based on my limiters and schedule.

Does that make me lazy? :eek:

Veronica

I think that lazy is the last word that I would associate with you.

I think that what you've described may be the perfect solution. I just caution people that are uber-achievers about the dangers of putting it all into the hands of another. It's easy to get caught up in the plan and stop monitoring yourself properly. For one thing, many plans don't take into account our other day to day actoivities and stressors and like it or not, those impact our ability to train, recover from training and keep from getting injured or sick.

I am all for coaches. I better be since I am one!! I just think it's important to remember to self monitor appropriately. That's especially important if you have an online coach who does not get to see you face to face. Who can't see the bags under your eyes or the irritability that comes with over training. But a good coach is invaluable when it comes to improving your weak points and getting you past plateaus.

I hope that helps.

[sgf726]

I have been using a coach for the last 1-1/2 years. I originally started with him just to work on my swimming and started using him as a tri coach when I decided I wanted to train for a HIM and IM.

He is local (works at my gym) and we meet 1:1 once a month, use training peaks to track my workouts and then email. Also since he's at my gym if I have other questions I know where to find him.

I tried originally doing my own plans but found with work and being so busy it was hard to figure everything out and get the right plan. I do agree that you need someone that understands you goals as well as can manage around your schedule (I work 50-60 hours a week and travel about 1 week every 5-6 weeks). I probably follow the schedule 90% of the time and he understands if I need to switch things around shorten or change if needed.

I think the two major benefits I have seen from the training is that it has prevented me from overtraining as well as I have seen a real improvement in my run time that last year. On my 1/2 marathon PR which was 5 minutes faster than my previous 1/2 marathon time I don't even think I would have tried to go at the pace I did if he hadn't based on my data told me I could do it :-)

Sharon

[Susan Otcenas]

This is my third season with a coach, and my third coach!

In 2010, I wanted to train up for a half ironman. So I hired a coach. I wanted someone to tell me what to do and when to do it. Sure, I could build a plan for myself (I did it successfully in 2009) but I'm busy and I don't mind paying a professional for the service.

But my 2010 experience was not great. This person did not check in with me often enough, ask how I was feeling, etc. Mostly, she just built me a plan, but there was not much of a feedback loop. I also ended up with an injury (posterior tibial tendinitis) because this coach did not respect the fact that I was doing randonneuring in addition to training for tris. her plans did not give me adequate recovery from those rides, and I was too stupid to listen to my body more closely. Doing a 15 mile run 3 days after finishing a 600K ride (in 37 hours) was not a smart idea. She should have given me a recovery week schedule, and when she didn't, I should have spoken up. Live and learn. (BTW, she was all the way across the country and we mostly communicated via email. Rarely spoke. Cost me $185 per month.)

In 2011, I decided I wanted to ride Paris-Brest-Paris, so I hired a cycling coach to focus on that. My mistake in this year was that I hired someone who was more focused on racers than endurance riders. In retrospect, he just didn't understand enough about the differences, and half the time I felt like I was educating *him*. Still, I got through the event, though I'm pretty sure I could have done it without his coaching. This guy was local, but we still didn't see/speak all that often. Cost me $250 per month. Way too expensive for what I got. Again, live and learn.

So, here I am in 2012, and I'm doing Ironman Canada. This time, I spent a lot of time interviewing and talking to coaches, both local and not. I ended up with a local female coach. So far, she is far and away the best coach I've had. We speak EVERY monday night at 8pm.

++ She holds me very accountable. I upload ALL my Garmin files (swim, bike & run) and she spends time analyzing them.
++We refine my workouts based on how I've performed, and how I'm feeling about the workouts, my confidence levels, etc.
++She writes race plans for all my events, with target heartrates, etc.
++We discuss nutrition (both training and race day) and she insists that I use "race day nutrition" in my key training sessions (nothing new on race day!).
++I went into this season with an IT band injury (likely a combination of overuse from PBP and an unfortunately timed cleat-position change) and she recommended a local ART professional, who I've now been working with since January. He's great, and they have permission to talk to one another about my therapy and training regimen.
++She's really helped me get over my open water swim issues. She does weekend all-comer open water swim practices for an athletic club that she also works at, and her coaching clients are welcome to come. I went out for a few, but was still struggling, so she met me at the lake at 7am on a workday for a private swim session, one-on-one. No extra charge. Just she and I swimming and working through my issues, without the pressure of other people around.
++She encourages me to write race reports soon after each event, so that we can talk about what went well, what didn't, whether or not I stuck to plan, and what still needs work.
++We work on the "head game" aspects as well. I have a tendency to say that I'm just a cyclist pretending to be a triathlete. It's kind of a joke, but kind of not, too. Know what I mean? :o I'm just not a natural at swimming or running. They rarely come easy to me. So, whenever I say "I'm not a runner", she calls me to task on it, and encourages me to think more positively about my growth as an athlete and the progress I've made year to date.
++ She costs me $200 per month, which I think is very reasonable for the level of service I'm getting.

OK, so she's not perfect either. There are some weaknesses there too. Mostly, those are what I perceive as her having a hard time understanding what it is to just be a marginal athlete. She's pretty talented (her IM PR is something like 10:50 and she's qualified for Kona) and so sometimes the things she tells me to do as a strategy aren't realistic. For example, I do a lot of my runs by heart rate. When I go up hill, sometimes my HR goes above my hill-running target HR, so her answer is that I should run more slowly up the hills. To which I say, yeah, but when your long run pace is 11:30 per mile on a flat and level ground, going slower means WALKING the hill. There is no running at that pace. Yet, she's been very resistant to training me for IM with a run/walk strategy. I brought it up twice this season, and the basic response was "No one has ever asked me to train them to walk the marathon". Of course, that's not what I'm asking! But it feels like there's a touch of, I don't know, 'disdain' for the strategy. But I'm simply trying to be realistic. I am NOT CAPABLE of running the entire marathon at IM. This isn't me doubting my training plan. This is me being realistic. It's just not going to happen at my level of ability. So rather than throw me into the event without a strategy, I would rather have a detailed run walk strategy that will carry me through with confidence.

Sooooooo, this weekend, after a 129 mile bike run on Saturday at IM watts, and a 50 mile bike ride on Sunday at HIM watts, I had a 2 hr brick run on my calendar immediately following the 50 mile ride. I *knew* there was no way in hell that my tired legs were going to run for 2 hours at the HR target she set for me. Just impossible. So, I decided to do a run walk. For two hours, I ran 4, walked 1, and it was frickin' amazing. Best brick run I've EVER done, and totally sustainable. I ran 11.2 miles at an average pace of 10:45, which hell, is good for me on just a run-only day, much less after 180 miles.

I uploaded that file to my training log, and she was pretty impressed looking at the mile splits. Then I dropped the news that I had accomplished that by walking 20% of the time. :D And, that I had decided that that WOULD BE my strategy for 70.3 next weekend (Lake Stevens, WA on the 15th) and for IM Canada.

What I'm getting at with this overly long winded explanation is that basically, I took control of this aspect of my training. I've tried it her way for 6 months, but it just wasn't working for me (my brick run were always crummy). So, I think that it's OK for an athlete to be insistent on certain points at a certain point. ;) I mean, yes, I'm paying her for her expertise, but in the end, I, as the athlete, am the only one who really truly understands my own body and how it's adapting. So, maybe the third time is a charm, but I think that this experience has taught me that it's OK for this to be a two way street, a partnership of sorts. Yes, I pay her to train me, but I also have a responsibility to myself (and to her) to push back on certain aspects that I don't feel are working well.

For 2013, I'm entertaining the idea of doing London-Edinburgh-London, a 1400km randonneuring event. After Canada, I have to decide what to do about the coaching situation. I think I can build a training plan for myself for such an event, but I may still want to swim & run as cross training. (And, I'm signed up for Lavaman in Hawaii in March, so I need to stay in shape for that over the winter.) So, whether or not I continue to be coached for that in 2013 is something I haven't decided upon yet.

[Veronica]

Wow! I appreciate all the feedback. It's given me some points to ponder for sure. :p

Veronica

[Susan Otcenas]

I didn't really stress this in my last post, but to me the accountability factor is really important. Even if I had the time and inclination to build my own plan (which I don't at the moment) I"m not very good at being accountable to myself. Having a coach means that if I skip a workout, I have some explaining to do. I hate making excuses for things, so instead, I just buckle down and do the workouts, knowing that I'll be asked why I didn't do a workout as written. Of course, I'll skip if my body tells me it really needs a break, but mostly, the accountability factor means that I don't skip just out of laziness. ;)

Ironically, I'm skipping today. I've had a very hard couple of days, capped off by racing a half marathon yesterday (and "recovering" from the race with a 2 hour bike ride!) so I'm giving myself permission to skip the easy swim that's on the calendar. I only skip a workout once a month or so, so this is OK. No guilty conscience here! I'll use the extra time to catch up on some things I've been totally neglecting in my personal life (personal life? what personal life?!) and maybe catch up on some sleep.

[Veronica]

Thom's favorite saying is, "No one believes your excuses but you." :D

And I structure my life around getting enough sleep. Seriously, and I did not get enough last night. Why do the neighbors need to have their own fireworks? :mad:

Luckily, Cassie Cat did not mind sharing the bed, so I took a nap after I ran this morning. But sleeping during the day leaves me "fuzzy."

Veronica

[Wahine]

Susan has hit on all the issues that I have been trying to articulate.

She also has made me realize that maybe I charge way too little for my services.:o

[Veronica]

So you're cheap! :D Great!



Veronica

[Susan Otcenas]

So you're cheap! :D Great!


Inexpensive, perhaps. But there's nothing cheap about Cassie, I suspect. ;)

[Veronica]

That's true. She's the real deal.

Veronica

[MaTadams]

This has been an interesting discussion. Thank you to all participants. I have two questions, though. How does a coach differ from a trainer, and how does one find a coach? Thank you.

[Wahine]

inexpensive, perhaps. But there's nothing cheap about cassie, i suspect. ;)

:d:d:d

[HillSlugger]

This has been an interesting discussion. Thank you to all participants. I have two questions, though. How does a coach differ from a trainer, and how does one find a coach? Thank you.

It may be mostly semantics, but I think a trainer is a person who is out there with you, standing over you, and shouting "give me 100 more!", etc.

[Veronica]

My trainer only works with me on developing strength and power. We do weights and plyometrics and yeah, she's right there.

I think a coach is more about developing a long term training plan. Although my trainer does know when my events are and adjusts what we do at each session accordingly.

Veronica

[lovelygamer]

This has been an interesting discussion. Thank you to all participants. I have two questions, though. How does a coach differ from a trainer, and how does one find a coach? Thank you.

Coaches are only sold at the best of stores.:rolleyes:

Seriously, I totally thought this was a purse thread. You can tell how far I am from the athlete stage. lol

[HillSlugger]

This has been an interesting discussion. Thank you to all participants. I have two questions, though. How does a coach differ from a trainer, and how does one find a coach? Thank you.

Well, recommendations from current clients is a great place to start. If you like what any of us have said about our coaches, why not ask for contact info and start there?

[chosen1]

this has indeed been a really good discussion. I'm contemplating getting a coach as well, mainly for training plan purposes so I don't injure myself and/or for the ability to have more balanced workouts. This year for me has been the year of the Duathlon so biking/running hasn't been an issue, but I'm about to start training for a Half-Marathon and I don't want to give up biking or my crossfit-ish gym time so I'm going to have to find some balance in my workout schedule. Next year will be even tougher because I'll be adding swimming into the mix.

So you folks who have good coaches or are a coach, I'd like contact info. Feel free to PM me. :)