Tell the board of Susan G. Komen: Don't throw Planned Parenthood under the bus!

[Sky King]

Please consider signing the attached petition to protest the actions of the Susan G. Komen organization. I find this very upsetting. Regardless of your political views, in my opinion, this is another attempt to Divide and Conquer Women and our rights to quality and educational health care. I can no longer support the Susan G Komen foundation and while I didn't now Susan, I find it impossible to believe this would have been her wish or her sister's wish.
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/komen/?r_by=-5031345-SbmZKFx&rc=confemail

[Biciclista]

Done! How ignorant!!!!

[Melalvai]

Signed and shared.
I had a Komen postdoc fellowship as a postdoc for 3 years.

[Trek420]

Signed and shared. I hope they changed their minds but in the meantime there are so many great runs, swims, rides, tri's, climbs .... that help the cause I think it'd be great if athletes send a copy of registration for other events, your rider number ... "Don't throw Planned Patenthood under the bus and I run!" :mad:

So just starting a list like this one for the Breast Cancer fund:

http://www.seejanerun.com/t-See-Jane-Run-SEATTLE-Half-Marathon-and-5K.aspx

[MM_QFC!]

I signed and shared also.

[OakLeaf]

There are worthier breast cancer charities in any case IMO. Trek mentioned the Breast Cancer Fund. Breast Cancer Action is another one. Then we can donate directly to PP.

[Trek420]

There are worthier breast cancer charities in any case IMO. Trek mentioned the Breast Cancer Fund. Breast Cancer Action is another one. Then we can donate directly to PP.

And you could swim and send a letter with your ear plugs. :p :D

http://www.wcrc.org/swim/static/home/

[Pax]

I'm so angry about this I don't know what to do with myself. :mad: Komen is the fund I have named in my will, they are the ones I donate to every year, I support others who do their runs/walks/races. No more.

I called my lawyer to have that section removed from my will, they will never see another dime from me. Politicizing women's health is reprehensible.

[Trek420]

I was thinking of the Danskin Tri but they are to the same beneficiary so will have to try another tri ..... and in Canada one could do this:

http://va11.conquercancer.ca

[Blueberry]

Wow, Pax! Good for you for moving to quickly to change things. I would let Komen know - they need to know how much they've ticked off lots of their supporters.

I will not be supporting them going forward either!

[salsabike]

I'm so angry about this I don't know what to do with myself. :mad: Komen is the fund I have named in my will, they are the ones I donate to every year, I support others who do their runs/walks/races. No more.

I called my lawyer to have that section removed from my will, they will never see another dime from me. Politicizing women's health is reprehensible.

Thank you, Pax! Bless you for doing that.

[Biciclista]

I'm so angry about this I don't know what to do with myself. :mad: Komen is the fund I have named in my will, they are the ones I donate to every year, I support others who do their runs/walks/races. No more.

I called my lawyer to have that section removed from my will, they will never see another dime from me. Politicizing women's health is reprehensible.

wow, that's huge. I agree with Blueberry. They should know what they are losing.

I don't think they realized how bad a move this was. (I think they will soon though)

[SadieKate]

That's tremendous, Pax. Good for you.

[Pax]

It's not like my estate will be all that valuable, but it was earmarked for them. I contacted Komen this afternoon and let them know, no reply. I imagine they're being deluged today though.

[Kathi]

Anyone who donated money in the past year should ask for their money back. SGK changed what they are representing and it's not what you signed up for. They may not refund it but it's sending a message.

I almost donated for a friend who was doing the walk and for some reason changed my mind. So glad I did. I'm sending a donation to Planned Parenthood instead.

[OakLeaf]

I think they're getting the message.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/planned-parenthood-says-komen-decision-causes-donation-spike/2012/02/01/gIQAGLsxiQ_story.html

[shootingstar]

Planned Parenthood in Canada does not provide breast screening services for cancer, etc.

Instead a Canadian resident with her public health care insurance card, can have free mammogram ..every few years at the hospital, etc. Frequency depends on her age, health situation. This is regardless of the woman's income level.

In fact some of the Canadian provincial health government authorities issue a massive public campaign through mail-in notices, etc. to remind women to get breast screening, etc.

[Selkie]

Done!

[OakLeaf]

Shootingstar, that makes me curious.

Does Canada's health system not cover family planning services? Or why would there be a need for Planned Parenthood to do one and not the other?

[shootingstar]

I don't know Oak about Planned Parenthood. But my immediate thought would be for a (young) woman to get info. if she didn't want to use her family physician. Of course any adult can get that info from their doctor (I did) but using Planned Parenthood might be more quicker and accessible if it's not urgent and ...just info. not a diagnosis/examination.

I don't know the girls under the legal age how it works for physician care if she wanted to maintain her privacy...from her parents.

But for certain, here in Canada we wouldn't think of Planned Parenthood for breast screening.

[Melalvai]

I think they're getting the message.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/planned-parenthood-says-komen-decision-causes-donation-spike/2012/02/01/gIQAGLsxiQ_story.html
That made me laugh! Also it hadn't occurred to me to donate to PP in protest against Komen...now I will! That's amazing that in a couple days donors came up with nearly the same amount that Komen would have given PP. I sort of think PP came out ahead on this one, between donations & publicity.

[Biciclista]

That made me laugh! Also it hadn't occurred to me to donate to PP in protest against Komen...now I will! That's amazing that in a couple days donors came up with nearly the same amount that Komen would have given PP. I sort of think PP came out ahead on this one, between donations & publicity.

I think you're right.

[maillotpois]

I wonder if they'll regret the decision - or whether they're motivated too much by politics for it to make a difference.

Komen also has been quite a bully in the past (a la Specialized) to charities using the color pink or the words "for the cure". Not a fan of their tactics, and this decision has pushed my group of girlfriends to the Avon walk in NYC this fall instead of the Komen 3 day in Philly.

[Pax]

I wonder if they'll regret the decision - or whether they're motivated too much by politics for it to make a difference.

Komen also has been quite a bully in the past (a la Specialized) to charities using the color pink or the words "for the cure". Not a fan of their tactics, and this decision has pushed my group of girlfriends to the Avon walk in NYC this fall instead of the Komen 3 day in Philly.

The phrase "too big for their britches" comes to mind. When they started worrying more about protecting "their brand" than protecting the health of women is when their ship steered off course. I'll bet this debacle brought their relevance to a close much more quickly than they ever anticipated.

[SadieKate]

I just sent this message to Tubbs Snowshoes:

I just thought I'd drop you a line to tell you that I did not participate in your Mt Bachelor snowshoe race specifically because it benefited the Susan G Komen Foundation. They have long supported a bullying tactic that is highly objectionable. Their recent decision to drop their funding of breast cancer screenings at Planned Parenthood is despicable, politicizing women's health, and just confirmed my decision to not participate in the Romp to Stomp. I also will not buy Tubbs products while they continue to support the SGK Foundation.

[ny biker]

Just received this email from Dr. Susan Love Research Foundation/Army of Women:


Do Only Some Lives Matter?

The Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation has announced it will no longer give grants to provide breast exams and mammograms through Planned Parenthood affiliates. Komen states that this has nothing to do with the “Right to Life” but rather the fact that Planned Parenthood is being investigated. According to the New York Times the investigation is by a conservative Republican who was urged to act by anti-abortion groups. This is sad. Investigation does not mean guilt. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Pro-choice should be just that. The woman gets to choose—to choose where the money she sweated through runs and walks to raise should be spent! Pro-life should mean not just the lives of babies, but also the lives of women! This is not an either or situation.

Patrick Hurd is the CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Virginia, a recipient of a 2010 grant from Komen. He is also the husband of a breast cancer survivor who is the veteran of several Komen fundraising races. As he told the Associated Press: “Cancer doesn’t care if you’re pro-choice, anti-choice, progressive, conservative, victims of cancer could care less about people’s politics.”

Rather than putting politics into the breast cancer movement, lets rise above the political divisions and work together. Let’s redirect all the money that will be spent on investigating Planned Parenthood into funding studies looking to find the cause and prevent the disease once and for all. Let’s redirect our anger to making mammograms unnecessary because we know how to prevent the disease. To learn more about our work and become a supporter, click here.



Susan Love, MD

President

Dr. Susan Love Research Foundation



P.S. The Dr. Susan Love Research Foundation (and its Army of Women Program) is an independent 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization and is not affiliated in any way with Susan G. Komen for the Cure. To learn more about our work, click here www.dslrf.org

[Sky King]

I just have to say that each and every TE poster is amazing, I mean AMAZING. Look at our take action attitudes - we don't sit and *****, we immediately begin to share and brainstorm. I was a bit hesitant to do the original thread and now just spent ten minutes sharing these comments with the DH. I am going to contribute other organizations as I come across them. I am making a donation to Planned Parenthood today, in honor of my mother, who died of cancer. The Army of Women letter says it all!!

[Reesha]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425504_355153921162259_114517875225866_1368725_960772791_n.jpg

[SadieKate]

I love that. May I post on my FB page? Is it your artwork?


Editing: Aha! The original with a request to link back to his/her page.
http://lianamaris.tumblr.com/

[spokewench]

I think that as many people who have donated to Planned Parenthood will also NOT participate in the Komen cure drives. I think they will be impacted. It is to bad for breast cancer research, but maybe it is time that a new organization steps up to take its place.

[ACG]

My eldest daughter uses planned parenthood because when she got laid off she couldn't afford her well woman exams. They even saw her one time when she had a really bad cold!

I've donated to SGK, I guess all my donations are going to PP now.

[Reesha]

I love that. May I post on my FB page? Is it your artwork?

It's not mine, it was shared over Facebook and I caught it! ;)

[SadieKate]

I hoped you linked back to the artist's website per her request!

[Reesha]

Oh, I think it had been passed and passed and passed by the time I saw it. There was no link to the artist when I saw it on Facebook.

[ny biker]

I'm reading on twitter that NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg will match donations to Planned Parenthood up to $250,000 (out of his own resources, not the city's).

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/bloomberg-politics-have-no-place-in-health-care

[OakLeaf]

I used PP when I was in my 30s and 40s and could easily afford a private doctor, because no one else in my area was trained to fit a cervical cap. We donate to them every year.

[OakLeaf]

I hoped you linked back to the artist's website per her request!

I didn't see any request either on the artwork or where I saw it on FB, and it's signed only with a first name, but this one appears to be her tumblr.

http://lianamaris.tumblr.com/post/16884980496/things-that-cannot-screen-for-breast-cancer-and

[Koronin]

petition signed

[OakLeaf]

I just sent this message to Tubbs Snowshoes:...

Nicely done.

Komen's full sponsor list is here: http://ww5.komen.org/CorporatePartners.aspx

[NbyNW]

Nicely done.

Komen's full sponsor list is here: http://ww5.komen.org/CorporatePartners.aspx

What a fascinating list. It will be interesting to see what, if any, action these sponsors take in response to the uproar over this.

[jobob]

Nicely done.

Komen's full sponsor list is here: http://ww5.komen.org/CorporatePartners.aspx

Wow! That's a long list!

Komen runs quite an operation. :rolleyes:

ETA: Oh too funny, one of it's Corporate Partners is ... Specialized Bicycle Components. :p

[goldfinch]

I lost respect for the organization ages ago due to their overly aggressive and litigious stance concerning their numerous "for the cure" and "pink" trademarks. Komen can stick it.

[maillotpois]

ETA: Oh too funny, one of it's Corporate Partners is ... Specialized Bicycle Components. :p

too funny!!!

[szsz]

While I deeply appreciate and have benefitted from how well breast cancer is funded, it is difficult to support Komen and Pinktober. It is actually painful being confronted with all of the crap, Kentucky Fried Chicken? UGH especially knowing that their are other, better groups out there. Breast Cancer Action is excellent. As is Planned Parenthood, of course.

[Trek420]

I lost respect for the organization ages ago due to their overly aggressive and litigious stance concerning their numerous "for the cure" and "pink" trademarks. Komen can stick it.

OMG, I'm violating their copyright on pink :eek:

I'm a grandchild of a breast cancer survivor, my wife's a melanoma survivor, so's another aunt. I lost an aunt, grandfather, cousin and my dad to cancer. :(

Cancer sucks and should not be politicized. In this economy with more need and worthy charities chasing less money this was a baaaaaad move by SBK. :rolleyes:

[VeganBikeChick]

Because of the whole SGK debacle, I've finally made a donation to PP. I wish the debacle hadn't been the fueling reason, but I'm glad my dollars went to a worthy cause and I'll continue to support PP.

[Owlie]

Wow! That's a long list!

Komen runs quite an operation. :rolleyes:

ETA: Oh too funny, one of it's Corporate Partners is ... Specialized Bicycle Components. :p

Now I feel dirty.

[Reesha]

I imagine the best reaction (that I've heard of so far) is to simply donate directly to breast cancer research groups or Planned Parenthood... as it removes the heavy administrative costs that come out of the Komen donation before the money is distributed.

[OakLeaf]

I lost respect for the organization ages ago due to their overly aggressive and litigious stance concerning their numerous "for the cure" and "pink" trademarks. Komen can stick it.

Not to get too far afield ... but I lost respect for them ages ago because of their complete rejection of breast cancer prevention, their cozy ties with industries that cause and profit from breast cancer, and their est-like emphasis on "awareness."

If there's any silver lining in this, it's that Komen is no longer untouchable. Used to be if you questioned pinkwashing in the slightest, people looked at you like you were in favor of breast cancer. Komen's latest moves may change all that.

[Reesha]

+100!!

Another reason why I chose the American Lung Association for my summer charity ride-- they focus on the prevention of lung diseases and spend a serious portion of their money trying to do just that... fighting for clean air legislation, smoking bans, and public health measures.

It's shameful how much collusion is in the medical industry/doctors/researchers/charities.

[maillotpois]

Trek - thanks for reminding us (a couple of times now) about the Breat Cancer Fund. They are a great organization. Remember the push for BPA free bottles? You can thank their research for that.

I want to do one of their hikes one of these days.

[SadieKate]

Wonder what would happen if more men knew that PP provides men's health services.

[SadieKate]

But I wonder if it is too late and too many skeletons in the closet have been exposed. I saw somewhere that only 24% of donations go to charities. 76% overhead? WTH? I'd research it but I've never been a big fan of theirs any way.

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20120203-komen-for-the-cure-reverses-decision-to-cut-planned-parenthood-funding.ece

[Pax]

Too little, too late, they have sunk themselves with both "sides" now. Pathetic.

[jobob]

ITA, Pax. I doubt Komen will ever regain it's standing.

Makes me wonder if any of SGK's oh-so-many Corporate Partners had a hand in this? I wouldn't be surprised.

[Brandi]

You know even though they have now said they won't cut funding they should have never gone there in the first place! I will give my money to PP any day. I will not be buying or supporting any product they back now. PP has helped me and so many other's I know who don't have much money or really needed care. They do much for so little!

[Trek420]

Trek - thanks for reminding us (a couple of times now) about the Breat Cancer Fund. They are a great organization. Remember the push for BPA free bottles? You can thank their research for that.

I want to do one of their hikes one of these days.

I did their Bike Against the Odds ride. Well run, scenic, started right out of downtown Oakland, GREAT food yet surprisingly few riders. :( That could be why they don't have the event anymore.

I imagine their hikes are great. I like their attitude of going after the causes of cancer wherever they are and they seem to do a lot with a little. :)

[Melalvai]

Maybe if they fired the VP that seems to have instigated all this, the ultra conservative woman who ran for governor of Georgia, they might regain some trust. But letting that other woman resign in protest, and not firing the VP, doesn't get my trust & confidence.

[Norse]

Exactly what I was thinking Melalvia.

[malkin]

"Planned Parenthood operatives"
I guess that's us.

[bmccasland]

I wonder if the conservative right in DC are paying attention - IE what would be the political reprecussions if they push overturning Roe v Wade? I'm thinking that they didn't expect the uproar that SBK created with their decision and reversal (not that they're bowing to political pressure :rolleyes:).

[Reesha]

Someone with keen observation skills over at The Atlantic in the comments section noted that this statement released by Komen...

"We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants, while maintaining the ability of our affiliates to make funding decisions that meet the needs of their communities."

...implies that they reserve the right to not renew their current grant. The current grant isn't being canceled, but they are saying we don't have to renew those grants. It really doesn't say anything at all.

[smilingcat]

well my money is going directly to PP and other organizations. Komen foundation will never get another dime from me. Finding out that they are only giving 25% to actual breast cancer... What is up with that??

Nope!! NADA. Marketing people do say that it takes years to develop a GOOD brand recognition and only a second to destroy it. They certainly did.

[Gypsy]

For the first time EVER, I saw a Komen commercial on TV last night. I don't know if that was a local ad or a national one.

Seen on Facebook: "We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that resulted in completely unexpected scrutiny of our CEO's unconscionably high salary, obscenely high overhead to actual good ratio, longstanding links to Republican politicians, huge budget for taking oppressive legal actions against other charities that dare use the word 'cure,' vast marketing and lobbying budgets, and long-standing history of secretly lobbying against federal assistance to women with breast cancer.

Based upon the last ten years, we truly had no idea that we couldn't do whatever the hell we wanted with gullible contributors' money. We thought that the corpse of our CEO's sister was an impenetrable shield that protected all of our actions from scrutiny or accountability. We appreciate your support while we try to figure out WTF has changed.

However, although the sudden spike in scrutiny and precipitous drop in fundraising and sponsorships scared the crap out of us, we want to assure all of you that, even as we desperately attempt to salvage something out of the conflagration burning our brand to the ground, we will continue to flat-out lie to your face and generally assume you are all still such credulous imbeciles that we can shamelessly stick to obvious falsehoods or change our story from minute to minute as whim or panic dictate.
Now please stop looking into our finances, lobbying and legal activities and strong political connections with right wing politicians. Stop it right now or Susan will be angry, very angry with you. Thank you."

[indysteel]

Do you have a link to that passage from Facebook, Gypsy? I must pass that on.

[Wahine]

That is excellent and I would love the link too.

[Reesha]

LOL! It makes me laugh ruefully.

[Gypsy]

This has taken on meme-like proportions. Here is a wall that has the quote publicly: https://www.facebook.com/people/Phil-Van-Tee/100000440063903?sk=wall

You need to scroll down to find it.

[BodhiTree]

I only made a small donation ($100) to SGK last year. I won't make any donation next year at all because only $24 of this year's donation did any good. My small donation became a miniscule donation in regards to actual cancer work thanks to that 76% going to overhead.

[BikeDutchess]

I'm haven't been a fan of SBKF for a while, and this week's debacle certainly did nothing to change my mind. I'm just curious where the "76% overhead" number is coming from? When I look at their Audited Financial Statements (http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/Content/AboutUs/Financial/2011%20Komen%20Financial%20Statements%20FINAL(3).pdf) (income statement on p.3), I see the following:

Public Support (i.e., donations) $420M
Other Income $19M
=Total Public Support & Revenue $439M

Program Services (research, education, screening/health services) $334M
Supporting Services (i.e., overhead) $75M
=Total Expenses $409M

=Net Increase in Assets (the non-profit version of earnings) $30M

Looks like overhead is just under 18% of donations and just over 18% of expenses. Page 11 confirms program services are 82% of expenses. So where are those extreme overhead numbers coming from?

[BodhiTree]

I got them from earlier in this thread.

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"But I wonder if it is too late and too many skeletons in the closet have been exposed. I saw somewhere that only 24% of donations go to charities. 76% overhead? WTH? I'd research it but I've never been a big fan of theirs any way.

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/2...od-funding.ece "


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I should have checked them for validity. I am sorry. I simply assumed SadieKate's source was correct.

[Melalvai]

According to Charity Navigator, programming expense is 80.5%.

[Owlie]

You know, when I read this thread, I have my screen resolution set so that on the main page, the thread title reads "Tell the board of Susan G. Komen..."

My brain inserts rude phrases at the end.

[Grits]

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/381282/april-11-2011/pap-smears-at-walgreens (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/381282/april-11-2011/pap-smears-at-walgreens)

This is hilarious, but sad, at the same time. That politicians can make such absurdly incorrect statements and then feel that they can use the excuse that they never meant it to be factual? WTH?

[Trek420]

Thanks for reminding me, I'm do for my annual Pap. Off to Walgreens. :)

[Grits]

And get your colonoscopy in the photo department :D

[Melalvai]

Just look for the stirrups.
Ow, I'm laughing so hard my throat hurts.

[Wahine]

You ladies are cracking me up!!
:D:D

[Trek420]

OK, fess up. Who here writes for Colbert?

[Wahine]

OK, fess up. Who here writes for Colbert?

Hee hee.:D:D

[Reesha]

Oh god Kyl rounds up to the nearest 90%. HAahahahaha! I love Colbert :D

[Crankin]

My good friend, who is an ob-gyn physician's assistant and midwife in AZ sent me a copy of this. It really is hysterically funny, but then kind of sobering when I think of the fact she has to work in a place where people actually think like that.
She worked at Planned Parenthood when our kids were babies/toddlers.

[carolp]

Even though they backed off, they have shown their true colors and I will never give them another sent. I made a donation to Planned Parenthood, and there are other breast cancer organizations to support who are not guided by politics. You can also give money directly to medical centers' breast health department. UCSF has an amazing team doing great research and care in breast cancer. So does MD Anderson. There, the money isn't going to advertising or to politics.

[Trek420]

Last night I ordered new Roadid. When you order Roadid generously make a charitable donation to your choice of one of several charities. One of the options is Susan B Komen so I picked another one.

In the comments section I thanked them for their charity drive and for supporting the fight against cancers but asked them to please consider another of the many breast cancer charities out there. I should have added a link to this thread "see how many women cyclists, runners, athletes who may agree :cool:"

[Norse]

Karen Handel resigned. She should have been ousted. http://www.startribune.com/nation/138851499.html.

[OakLeaf]

Why it isn't enough (and why she wasn't ousted) http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/komen-board-bias-planned-parenthood

[Melalvai]

Why it isn't enough (and why she wasn't ousted) http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/komen-board-bias-planned-parenthood
That article also explains where the 24% came from. While Komen may be able to honestly claim that 80% goes to programming, critics point out that only 24% goes to research, and only 15% to breast cancer PREVENTION. This holds true with my experience, but not just for Komen, other agencies as well. My Komen postdoctoral fellowship focused on treating hot flashes in breast cancer survivors (who can't take estrogen, the usual treatment for hot flashes). I was unable to get funded a breast cancer prevention project, from any foundation. (AICR is big on prevention, and NIH...well, let's not talk about NIH. I would probably have eventually gotten it funded if I'd had enough time to keep resubmitting.)

I don't have a problem with agencies like Komen spending money on programming that isn't research. Livestrong had some controversy lately because they specifically don't fund research, and haven't funded it for several years. There is a legitimate need for other programs, like getting help for people who have cancer now. Sort of like a higher impact public health effort would involve plumbing and clean water, not breast cancer surgeons.

I won't be volunteering to serve on a Komen study section, anyway.

[Artista]

There is a legitimate need for other programs, like getting help for people who have cancer now.
I don't believe for a minute that their motivation to help current cancer patients is for the "greater good". Cancer diagnosis and treatment is a huge profit center for pharmaceutical companies and diagnostic equipment companies. Many of those companies are primary contributors to non-profit cancer organizations while the contributions are often shielded from public view by running the contributions through other, benevolent-sounding, front organizations.

If Susan G. Komen and other, huge, "anti-cancer non-profits" were to actually contribute to total cancer prevention, they would put themselves and many of their contributors out of business. Funding diagnostics and current cancer care, rather than funding research into preventing cancer, is all about not biting the hands that feed these non-profits.

Robyn O'Brien wrote an interesting book titled "The Unhealthy Truth". The book is primarily about the corruption of our food supply for profit but she also delves into the unscrupulous connections between for-profit organizations and non-profits and how for-profit contributions influence the primary objectives and public messages of non-profit organizations. The book was a big eye-opener for me about the hidden motives behind many of these non-profit organizations.

[Pax]

Why it isn't enough (and why she wasn't ousted) http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/komen-board-bias-planned-parenthood

Excellent article, thank you for that.

[Susan Otcenas]

Ladies,

Related to this topic.... I need some feedback from all of you here: http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=46526 I value your opinions very much!

Susan

[OakLeaf]

One last thing and then I'll shut up about it ... but this all strikes very close to me too, and for more reasons than I'm willing to go into after the reaction I got here a couple of years back. http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2012/02/08/komen/

[salsabike]

Oak, that is just an excellent write-up. Thank you.

[Selkie]

Thanks for sharing the link, Oak.