Road bike shopping for short person

[goldfinch]

I would like some advice on shopping for a road bike. Sorry, this is kind of long because I have specific needs and posting about it will help me clarify my thoughts as I shop. My budget is roughly $4000 or less. Preferably less. I really would like to hear from the less that five foot crowd as to what they ride.

I am just short of 4'11" tall and am 56 years old. I weigh 119 and am losing weight with a goal of 110. I currently ride an extra small Cannondale Quick4 hybrid. This bike has 26 inch wheels. It fits me well. It is very compact, with a short reach. The standover is 68.9cm, which is plenty fine. My self measured inseam from crotch to ground is about 27.5 (just short of 70cm). My arms are very short. I would say that my torso is about average for my height. I keep my handlebars about an inch higher than my seat.

I have arthritis in my neck. My physical therapist, who is a distance biker, says eventually I will want to begin to move to a more upright position on a bike to spare my neck. He suggested a recumbent but says there is no rush, I can ride as long as I feel I can. I am working on delaying the inevitable by doing a number of core exercises and other things to improve strength. But I likely have a limited number of years where I can ride a road bike. I want to seize those years and enjoy them. Maybe in five years I'll move to some kind of recumbent, likely a trike. But not yet.

I have found that I really like biking and I like increasing my distances. I would like a road bike for a few reasons. One is that I want drop bars. The flat bars do not give me a lot of hand positions. The PT says the drop bars will be better for me as long as they aren't set too low. I also want a bit more speed, even though I know speed is more about the engine than the bike.

I also want a less harsh ride. My Cannondale is aluminum. It has a carbon fork and I have carbon rails on my seat. But I feel every bit of roughness in the road. It rides harsh. Some have told me it is partly because the bike is so compact there is little to flex. This same person told me that this is going to be a general problem in shopping for extra small bikes. The triangle of the frame will inevitably be small and thus there will be less play in the materials. Whether it is steel or aluminum it may be harsh. I have no idea if he knows what he is talking about.

I am not yet a strong rider. One advantage of my 26 inch wheel Quick is the mountain gearing. It is geared low enough for me to go up most hills I need to go up. I make use of the lowest gear frequently! So, I am a bit worried that bikes with compact doubles do not have low enough gears. I assume with a triple I could easily switch out to lower gear range if needed. I am less clear on what you can do to modify gearing on a double.

I am planning a trip in September to Minneapolis to try out some bikes. Many bike manufacturers have road bikes in a 44cm size with a roughly 50cm effective top tube. Many of these have 700cm wheels. A few have 650s. I am concerned that these bikes are too big. I already have ridden a 44cm Synapse. I didn't like it. It just didn't feel right. Riding the hoods it was a bit hard to shift and hard to brake. It wasn't geared low enough (though it had a triple so that could be changed, I assume.) I could clear the top tube standing over it but it was borderline. It wasn't twitchy and was easy to maneuver. But it didn't speak to me. The ride was on a smooth street so it was hard to compare the ride to my Quick.

Trek makes two smaller WSD bikes. The top of the line Lexa and the Madone 4.7 come in a 43cm size with 650 wheels. The effective top tube is pretty compact, at only 48cm. This might be nice. The Lexa is aluminum with a triple. The Madone has a compact double and is carbon. The Madone is simply lovely to look at. :) I will try both. But I am worried about the compact double on the Madone.

Felt also has petite choices in its ZW line of bikes. The frame sizes are close to the 43cm Treks. Both carbon and aluminum choices are available. It is harder though to find one to test out. There are a number of dealers in the twin cities so I hope to track a petite frame down. The Felts appear to come in compact doubles.

Another option is Terry, which has its 44cm bikes on 650 wheels and its smaller sizes with a 24inch front and 700 back. I rode a Terry that was too big for me a while back. I found it a bit squirrely. I also find the small front large rear set up ugly. But if it was the best fit I could get past my offended aesthetics. :) However, it is a big production to try to get one to try. Terry has aluminum bikes and also steel in their semi-custom.

These seem to be the main choices available if a 44cm bike is too big. However, I would like to try a Specialized Ruby because people have said that it is compact for a 44cm bike. But my bet is that smaller will be better.

When I worked with a fitter to deal with comfort issues on my Quick he suggested going custom. My worry is that he saw a retired woman with money to spend. I don't know if I really need custom and I don't know if it would be better than stock options for me. Plus, I don't want to spend more than $4000, if that. I am unsure what custom costs. The fitter's business sells Waterfords and that is what he suggested.

It seems to me that custom is a risk as you can't try it to see if you like it.

I also was Googling around for info on small frame road bikes and found a semi-custom option in Rodriguez bikes, based in Seattle. http://www.rodcycle.com/ Their prices seem reasonable and they claim to fit the height challenged, with two stock options, one with a short reach and higher standover, the other with a longer reach and lower standover. I can't try one first, but they will take back their stock bikes if they don't work for you and they will work with you to try to get a good fit. They will do full custom for only a slight price increase.

I have also tried another type of bike, a tourer, the Surly LHT in the 42cm. It felt pretty good, had the nice small 26 inch wheels that I like on my bike. I am iffy on the bar end shifters but is not a deal breaker. I liked the triple. The Surly Pacer is a bit more road like but the standover was too high because they appear to use bigger wheels on that bike. I think the LHT is a heavier bike than what I want as I do not plan overnight tours. Instead, I am thinking century rides. So, I have decided against the LHT.

So. . . . .

What do you shorter people ride for a road bike? Are the small frame aluminum and steel bikes harsh rides? Is carbon better? How close do you have to be on fit? Anyone under five feet tall ride a bike with 700cm wheels? What is or is not working for you?

Anyone have a bike from Rodriguez?

How about a Waterford or Gunnar? What kind of cost is involved with a complete custom bike? Any other companies besides Waterford?

Thank you for any thoughts you might have.

[Zippinalong]

I ride a XS (44) Fuji. I made sure I was sized for the bike since I am short. Honestly, I don't know what to compare my bike to. I enjoy it immensely and fits me to a tee and it is aluminum. I do have carbon stays and forks.

[roo4]

One thing to consider is phoning ahead to make sure the stores have bicycles for you to ride. I'm 5'9" (so no help with your specific issue) and it was frustratingly difficult to find a store with a 56 cm wsd bike.

Good luck on your search! Please update us--I have a friend about your height who is looking for a bike.

[goldfinch]

One thing to consider is phoning ahead to make sure the stores have bicycles for you to ride. I'm 5'9" (so no help with your specific issue) and it was frustratingly difficult to find a store with a 56 cm wsd bike.

Good luck on your search! Please update us--I have a friend about your height who is looking for a bike.

Calling ahead for sure! I did track down the 43cm trek Madone to try at two Mpls locations but no Felts yet.

[goldfinch]

I ride a XS (44) Fuji. I made sure I was sized for the bike since I am short. Honestly, I don't know what to compare my bike to. I enjoy it immensely and fits me to a tee and it is aluminum. I do have carbon stays and forks.

How tall are you?

[zoom-zoom]

I won't address the bike sizing issues, since I think you already have a good handle on what you need (I would guess that most 44s will be too big). I think if I were much shorter than I am (I'm just under 5'4") that I'd be looking custom, for sure.

But the gearing...don't be afraid of a compact double. I had a triple on my first bike. I actually wanted a double. They are less prone to shifting issues and dropped chains. I also find that I rarely feel like I need more easier gears, now. That first year with a triple was good as I was developing my cycling strength, but now that I have it those bottom-most "granny gears" would be going to waste. On Sunday I ended up doing a 70 mile hilly ride on my cyclocross bike, as my road bike is in the shop. That bike has a shorter range of gearing, so I had even fewer easy gears for getting up hills. It wasn't a bad deal. I just had to stand a lot more.

Really, at the low end of my compact double vs. my triple there's not a whole lot of difference. The reduction in hassles from the triple are worth the loss of a gear or two.

[smittykitty]

Bike shopping is so much fun!

I'm dreaming of being 5'2" someday. Don't think I'm ever gonna get there, I'm 5' 1 1/2, and yes, the 1/2 does count! But, I never have to dust the tops of all those pictures frames and I don't know what the top of the fridge looks like!

I really like my 48" Specialized Ruby Comp. Pretty relaxed fit, but still very roady! And yes, it spoke to me! The 44" might work for you. Mine has the compact double, and due to "engine" issues", I'm not great on hills. I resently had to walk part of a big hill that by triple hybrid got up last year.

The Ruby is offered in a lower geared Sram Apex that I considered, but wanted the upgrades that came with the Comp level. I don't spend a lot of time on hills, so I felt it was the better trade off. You may want to check out both models.

My understanding is that the Ruby's have smaller shifter/brake grips for those of us with smaller hands. They have shims in the brake levels to help with short reach. I will say, as compared to mountain bike grips, it is still a reach, although I really am only aware of it when flying down a really steep hill when I want to have full grip at my finger tips!!! I would say it's not a problem. I really checked braking reach when bike shopping. There was a difference.

Hope I was a little help. Happy shopping.

[Trek420]

First off I'm thinking steel for the ride. I'm 5' nuthin, arthritis all over, torn ACL, meniscus tendon (both knees) and a fractured spine :eek: When my namesake Trek was stolen I did not feel I had many choices but I tried bikes.

Antonio Mondonico was making the rounds of the USA (his last time, he's now retired) offering a custom fit bike without having to go to Milan to meet him. I met him and decided to buy. He measured me for the bike and said in Italian something like "it'll probably have a sloping top tube, is that ok?" I think what he really said, just his son was too polite to translate was "I can't believe that I, Antonio the builder of bikes which have placed in the top 3 of the Grand Tours am building a custom bike for this short chubby middle age club cyclist!" :p

But he went off, sipped coffee, listened to Verde opera, welded, some antipasto, another weld .... months later my bike was there. :p

Then painted, then built up by Chris at Robinson Wheelworks. Not only did the builder do such a good job but my LBS had fit me for my old bike so he knew what to do. I am a bit more upright than a pure race style. I got a bike that's light, fast and with all day comfort right from the start.

They say when training for the AIDS rides that you should not change ANYTHING a month or two before the 545 mile ride. A few weeks before the ride I got my bike. It fit and rode perfectly.

If your shop has done a good job of fit and can work with a custom builder or can customize another bike for you, go that route.

[Koronin]

Just to let you know the 44cm Specialized is the equivalent of the Trek 47cm.

I'm 5'0" and currently ride a 47cm Trek 2000 men's bike. I've also looked at different bikes and from what I've seen many companies do not make small enough bikes for shorter people in general. When I do get a new bike I'm planning on getting a Trek Madone in whichever version comes in a men's 47cm.

[azfiddle]

I am 5'1" and purchased a 44 cm Ruby this spring. I also tested a Trek Madone 47 cm. It was too long a reach for me and I did not like the ride as well.

My previous road bike was a Fuji Finest 44 cm, but it was proportioned differently. I didn't think of it as being a bad fit and rode it almost 6000 miles in a little more than 18 months. After getting used to the Ruby, I got back on the Fuji for just a ride around the block and it felt too big as well.

I didn't want to go with a frame with 650 wheels, just for keeping tire supplies simpler for DH and I, as we're very disorganized at our house.

Good luck on finding the right bike Goldfinch. (By the way, I studied Lesser Goldfinch songs for my master's degree :)

[Tiffany_S]

I am 5'1" and purchased a 44 cm Ruby this spring. I also tested a Trek Madone 47 cm. It was too long a reach for me and I did not like the ride as well.

My previous road bike was a Fuji Finest 44 cm, but it was proportioned differently. I didn't think of it as being a bad fit and rode it almost 6000 miles in a little more than 18 months. After getting used to the Ruby, I got back on the Fuji for just a ride around the block and it felt too big as well.

I didn't want to go with a frame with 650 wheels, just for keeping tire supplies simpler for DH and I, as we're very disorganized at our house.

Good luck on finding the right bike Goldfinch. (By the way, I studied Lesser Goldfinch songs for my master's degree :)

I second this! I started out on a Fuji and went to a Ruby as well. I'm 5' with short arms.

[nscrbug]

Just to let you know the 44cm Specialized is the equivalent of the Trek 47cm.

I'm 5'0" and currently ride a 47cm Trek 2000 men's bike. I've also looked at different bikes and from what I've seen many companies do not make small enough bikes for shorter people in general. When I do get a new bike I'm planning on getting a Trek Madone in whichever version comes in a men's 47cm.

Oooh...this is interesting! I ride a 51cm Cannondale Synapse. I recently went bike shopping and at a Trek dealer they sized me up for a 54cm, but I told them I already own a 54cm 2100 WSD and it feels too large. They gave me a 54 Madone to test ride and once again, I felt too stretched out. So then I tried a 52cm Madone, and it felt much better. So what size Specialized bike would equate to a 52cm Trek or 51cm Cannondale? It would be nice if there was some kind of chart available that compares the different sizing of bike brands.

Linda

[Becky]

It would be nice if there was some kind of chart available that compares the different sizing of bike brands.

There's no simple comparison between brands or even models within a brand, because of different lengths and angles. The geometry charts of the bikes that you're considering will give you insight into the size comparison.

A bike size is no more standardized than a clothing size. It all boils down to how the manufacturer measured the bike and which number they stuck on the size tag. It's a good starting point, but nothing to hang your hat on.

[Zippinalong]

goldfinch I'm 5'2.

[goldfinch]

First off I'm thinking steel for the ride. I'm 5' nuthin, arthritis all over, torn ACL, meniscus tendon (both knees) and a fractured spine :eek: When my namesake Trek was stolen I did not feel I had many choices but I tried bikes.

Antonio Mondonico was making the rounds of the USA (his last time, he's now retired) offering a custom fit bike without having to go to Milan to meet him. I met him and decided to buy. He measured me for the bike and said in Italian something like "it'll probably have a sloping top tube, is that ok?" I think what he really said, just his son was too polite to translate was "I can't believe that I, Antonio the builder of bikes which have placed in the top 3 of the Grand Tours am building a custom bike for this short chubby middle age club cyclist!" :p

But he went off, sipped coffee, listened to Verde opera, welded, some antipasto, another weld .... months later my bike was there. :p

Then painted, then built up by Chris at Robinson Wheelworks. Not only did the builder do such a good job but my LBS had fit me for my old bike so he knew what to do. I am a bit more upright than a pure race style. I got a bike that's light, fast and with all day comfort right from the start.

They say when training for the AIDS rides that you should not change ANYTHING a month or two before the 545 mile ride. A few weeks before the ride I got my bike. It fit and rode perfectly.

If your shop has done a good job of fit and can work with a custom builder or can customize another bike for you, go that route.

Oh I am jealous. :) I am glad to hear about your positive experience with steel.

Because I am living mostly in a motorhome and traveling all the time, I don't really have a relationship with a bike shop. The fitter I worked with was in Iowa. My home base is Minnesota and I will be back there soon. I really don't know the bike shops in Mpls/St. Paul so I am a bit in the dark at finding the right place to help me. I bought my Quick in the cities but I am not thrilled with the bike shop I bought it from--too much of a corporate kind of store grinding out sales. I bought there simply because that is were I could get the super small hybrid. I am originally from Duluth and there is a shop there that does Gunnar's. I will be there in a few days and will talk to them.

[goldfinch]

Just to let you know the 44cm Specialized is the equivalent of the Trek 47cm.

I'm 5'0" and currently ride a 47cm Trek 2000 men's bike. I've also looked at different bikes and from what I've seen many companies do not make small enough bikes for shorter people in general. When I do get a new bike I'm planning on getting a Trek Madone in whichever version comes in a men's 47cm.

Interesting that this bike fits, though I see that the 44cm Ruby is of similar size. Did you also try smaller Treks? Unfortunately, they make the 43 cm in only two models. Why the men's version? I have very narrow shoulders and need proportionately narrow handlebars. I even had those on my Quick cut down.


I second this! I started out on a Fuji and went to a Ruby as well. I'm 5' with short arms.


It looks like a fairly wide range in bike sizes and a number of you use bikes that will take 700 wheels. So, I won't foreclose trying more of them out.

[goldfinch]

Can anyone else speak to the issue of a compact double, which seems to be standard on the carbon fiber bikes I mentioned? As a relatively weak cyclist that spends at least 1/4 of the year in hilly areas, I want to make sure I have low enough gears. Even the Synapse I tried with the triple was not geared low enough for me. I test rode it in Duluth, Minnesota, a city built on a steep hill. I managed to go up hill two blocks before bailing. I then rode parallel to the hill, but that street goes up as well. I could do it in first gear for the mile or two I rode. Needless to say, it flew down the hills. :)

I've been riding since spring and this past month put 300 miles on my bike. The prior month 220 and the month before 150, so I am increasing my mileage steadily but I still have a long ways to go to get stronger.

[sarahkonamojo]

I would think with the requirements you have set out, a custom bike would be best for you. And $4k should be enough for a custom bike. You could pay more, of course. Keep test riding road bikes to find out what you do and don't like. It also a good way to find a shop that fits you, too.

[Zippinalong]

Can anyone else speak to the issue of a compact double, which seems to be standard on the carbon fiber bikes I mentioned? As a relatively weak cyclist that spends at least 1/4 of the year in hilly areas, I want to make sure I have low enough gears. Even the Synapse I tried with the triple was not geared low enough for me. I test rode it in Duluth, Minnesota, a city built on a steep hill. I managed to go up hill two blocks before bailing. I then rode parallel to the hill, but that street goes up as well. I could do it in first gear for the mile or two I rode. Needless to say, it flew down the hills. :)

I've been riding since spring and this past month put 300 miles on my bike. The prior month 220 and the month before 150, so I am increasing my mileage steadily but I still have a long ways to go to get stronger.

You can also look at the cassette which you can get in different teeth sets. But in the end as someone else pointed out, you'd probably be farther ahead having a bike built for you. That way you get it built the way you want. 4k is plenty of money for that.

[Catrin]

You can also look at the cassette which you can get in different teeth sets. But in the end as someone else pointed out, you'd probably be farther ahead having a bike built for you. That way you get it built the way you want. 4k is plenty of money for that.

I spent less than that on my full custom Gunnar, but of course some custom builders charge more than that. I don't know how the drive-train price point might change for a true road bike as my Gunnar is pretty much pure mountain outside of the custom road fork. One thing is sure, especially for us shorter women or those with physical limitations, custom is indeed the best way to get what fits us. Is it the only option? No...but if you are working with a fitter who knows his or her stuff and a reputable company like Waterford/Gunnar or others it is a way to assure it fits.

Of course the proof is in the pudding, and sometimes a custom bike doesn't mesh, but I would hope that is a rare occurrence. I've had a good experience going custom, and should any of my current bikes explode I would consider doing it again.

[Sky King]

Oh my gosh, I would totally consider a custom bike, or a semi Custom bike. There are some fantastic frame builders out there and you would have the perfect bike for you. We attend the National Association of Handmade Bicycle show (http://www.2011.handmadebicycleshow.com/), it was in Austin this year and Sacramento in 2012. We were next to Yipsan (http://www.yipsanbicycles.com/) at the 2011 show, both he and his wife are on the shorter side and the bikes were amazing. Ellis (http://elliscycles.com/) was another builder we liked.
Do a bit of research, make some phone calls and I think you will be please.
Life is short!! (no pun intended)
I ride a Rivendell and they will also work with you to get the bike that is right for you. Grant was the designer for Bridgestone and most of his bikes are mfg by waterford.

[Crankin]

I am getting a Guru, custom titanium bike with a compact double and an XT mountain derailleur on the back cassette. It will have one more lower gear than my carbon triple. I just had the fitting and it was extensive.
My friend has the Specialized Ruby with the SRAM Apex compact double, which is a similar set up to what I am getting with Shimano on the Guru. She is not a particularly strong rider, is around your age and gets up all the hills I ride with her. She has more low gears than I have on my triple with the 11-27. I chose not to go the SRAM route on my new bike because I don't want to have to go back and forth between systems (I am not good with mechanical changes!).

[Trek420]

Oh I am jealous. :) I am glad to hear about your positive experience with steel.

Since I was training for a big event and between bikes Chris loaned me one of his shop bikes :eek: :D :D :) I got to ride one of these for months:

http://dellasanta.com/

Steel, made in USA .... I love my bike and will never look at another bike :p but was tempted to get one.

[kcmpls]

If you are coming to Minneapolis, check out The Hub on Minnehaha. I've heard a couple times that it is a good place for shorter women to get bikes because they actually employ a short woman there. Also, check out Minneapolis Bike Love, the forum should give you some other ideas of which shops have smaller bikes so you can test ride a few. http://www.mplsbikelove.com/forum/

[goldfinch]

What is a guru and a guru fitting?
EDIT: Nevermind. Google is my friend.

kcmpls, thanks for the tips on the local shop and forum.

Everyone is so helpful! I will poke around on the custom side a lot more and check out all of your links.

[Crankin]

Guru is a brand. They are made in Montreal. You can buy ready made frames or custom bikes from them. There are only a few shops int he US that have the Guru fitting machine. It is a bike simulator that can be made to change every aspect of the fit. You pedal as it is hooked up to a computer and they look at your output as different things on the bike are tweaked. My shop started with the numbers from my present bike and tweaked it from there. He thought I would like a more upright position, but no, that went out the window right away... just moving one thing a little made a huge difference. When this is done, they send you the specs and once you approve it, it gets sent to Guru and they build the frame.

[goldfinch]

I am getting a Guru, custom titanium bike with a compact double and an XT mountain derailleur on the back cassette. It will have one more lower gear than my carbon triple. I just had the fitting and it was extensive.
My friend has the Specialized Ruby with the SRAM Apex compact double, which is a similar set up to what I am getting with Shimano on the Guru. She is not a particularly strong rider, is around your age and gets up all the hills I ride with her. She has more low gears than I have on my triple with the 11-27. I chose not to go the SRAM route on my new bike because I don't want to have to go back and forth between systems (I am not good with mechanical changes!).

It looks like I don't have to be too afraid of the compact double. Thanks. I also am poking around on the Guru site.

[Kathi]

Guru is a brand. They are made in Montreal. You can buy ready made frames or custom bikes from them. There are only a few shops int he US that have the Guru fitting machine. It is a bike simulator that can be made to change every aspect of the fit. You pedal as it is hooked up to a computer and they look at your output as different things on the bike are tweaked. My shop started with the numbers from my present bike and tweaked it from there. He thought I would like a more upright position, but no, that went out the window right away... just moving one thing a little made a huge difference. When this is done, they send you the specs and once you approve it, it gets sent to Guru and they build the frame.

I didn't see anything on the Guru website about developing a SizeCycle. Are you sure you're not talking about the Serotta SizeCycle?

From Serotta's website. "Serotta invented the SizeCycle (1979), the first infinitely adjustable stationary bicycle so that a cyclist could be moved through a complete range of positions for accurate assessment of riding style, flexibility, power and aerodynamics".

Many LBS's have this SizeCycle, they don't always sell Serotta bikes but the fitter must be trained by Serotta to purchase it.

[Koronin]

Interesting that this bike fits, though I see that the 44cm Ruby is of similar size. Did you also try smaller Treks? Unfortunately, they make the 43 cm in only two models. Why the men's version? I have very narrow shoulders and need proportionately narrow handlebars. I even had those on my Quick cut down.




It looks like a fairly wide range in bike sizes and a number of you use bikes that will take 700 wheels. So, I won't foreclose trying more of them out.

The bike I bought was a used bike and they didn't have anything smaller. I tried it, just enough clearance for standover height and with some minor adjustments (had to buy a conversion thing for the handlebars and a new saddle) got it to fit great. I have short legs with a longer torso and arms. The reason for the men's version are two fold, one I much prefer the colors of the men's bikes and pretty much hate the colors of most of the WSD bikes. The other thing is the top tube on the men's bikes are just enough longer that it feels better. I have not tried the smaller bikes and have no interest in trying them either. The 47cm bikes come with 700cm wheels the 43s are 650s. My current bike is 650 wheels. My next one is going to have 700 wheels. Also my wanting the men's version is why I will not be buying the bike locally and will most likely be driving either 2 hrs or 5 hrs to get my new bike. (I know the LBS back in Charlotte will work with me, the one in Raleigh we think will, but haven't really dealt with them. Oh that's the one downtown, the other one I have no interest in ever going to again.)
My current bike with some minor adjustments made there felt great as soon as I tried it. Then we did the other adjustments later to get it even better. It has men's handlebars which are just fine with me. When I tried the Lexa, I felt a bit scrunched up on the bike, not stretched out enough as far as top tube length goes and the handlebars were too narrow and small.

[goldfinch]

The bike I bought was a used bike and they didn't have anything smaller. I tried it, just enough clearance for standover height and with some minor adjustments (had to buy a conversion thing for the handlebars and a new saddle) got it to fit great. I have short legs with a longer torso and arms. The reason for the men's version are two fold, one I much prefer the colors of the men's bikes and pretty much hate the colors of most of the WSD bikes. The other thing is the top tube on the men's bikes are just enough longer that it feels better. I have not tried the smaller bikes and have no interest in trying them either. The 47cm bikes come with 700cm wheels the 43s are 650s. My current bike is 650 wheels. My next one is going to have 700 wheels. Also my wanting the men's version is why I will not be buying the bike locally and will most likely be driving either 2 hrs or 5 hrs to get my new bike. (I know the LBS back in Charlotte will work with me, the one in Raleigh we think will, but haven't really dealt with them. Oh that's the one downtown, the other one I have no interest in ever going to again.)
My current bike with some minor adjustments made there felt great as soon as I tried it. Then we did the other adjustments later to get it even better. It has men's handlebars which are just fine with me. When I tried the Lexa, I felt a bit scrunched up on the bike, not stretched out enough as far as top tube length goes and the handlebars were too narrow and small.

We must be built quite differently even though you are only a little taller than I am. I need the shorter reach. But I know my arms are very short. Even on petite clothes I end up shortening my sleeves. I also have very narrow shoulders and am uncomfortable on wide handlebars.

Given individual differences it is amazing anyone gets comfortable on a bike. No wonder we end up with fitters to tweak everything.

[Koronin]

You're right, it does sounds we're built very differently. I definitely have wider shoulders as I have issues finding women's clothing that fits properly. I do have a favorite brand (Columbia) which the large and X large shirts fit well, but now I live where I can't find that brand of clothing so I just shop in the men's dept. Actually all my coats and jackets are men's because it's impossible to find a women's coat that fits right. If I find one with the right length for the arms the shoulders are way too tight, find one that fits the shoulders and the arms are way too long. And actually the same goes for the cycling jerseys, I found one women's jersey that fit, but my other ones are all men's. Heck most of the women's xlarge jerseys are too small in the shoulders, so I end up looking at the men's and usually end up with men's medium jerseys. Of course that is one reason I do not like our LBS they seem to think that if you're female you have to have women's accessories, clothing, bikes ect.

Come to think of it, it sounds like you're built more like my one sister is, very petite. She'd need a WSD bike (very narrow shoulders, short arms, torso, and legs). My other sister is a bit taller than I am (5'4"), has longer legs, long arms, longer torso. She and I also both have wider shoulders.

[CyborgQueen]

woe is me...we're in the same shoes. :-) From what it seems like, you're much better off looking at custom bikes.

Don't be afraid of the compact. You can get 11-28t on your cassette, with 50/34 chain rings (front), and you'll do fine. Unless if you're on steep hills all the time like I am, these should work for you. IF you feel like you want more easier gearing AND a small bike, I would take a look at Specialized Dolce Comp Triple. I saw it in the shop the last couple days, and the Top tube is really low...feels like I have about 4 to 5 inch clearance compared to 1/2 inch clearance on my current bike (I'm 4' 11 and 3/4. The 3/4 counts!!!). It's not full carbon though.



As for the roughness on the road...while you're bike shopping, I would recommend that you find better tires (if you don't want to spend money on tires that's fine), but I would highly recommend that you lower your PSI. It won't feel so rough.

When I pump up my tires, I used to go 135-140 psi (max is 145 on my tires), and it was always ROUGH. Then I got new tires, (125 max), and I would pump up my tires to 120-125..still very rough. I thought it was just me being sensitive to vibrations (I'm deaf, so anything that's tactile is 3x or more sensitive than a hearing person).

However, after talking to a cyclist friend, she told me to lower the PSI...I lowered it to 100 to the front, and 110 in the back....no more road roughness/bumpiness/vibration. It felt smooth. So try that! :-)

[Crankin]

Kathi, it is not called a Size Cycle. I am not sure what the actual name of the machine is, but it's definitely a Guru invention. It might be the same type of thing as the Serotta system, but it has not been around very long. You have to have a specific relationship with Guru to have one and of course, have their training. The woman who did my fit is an aerospace engineer (!) who is working part time at the LBS. Of course, the LBS owner was there, too and did part of it. Here is a link: http://www.gurubikes.com/enCA/dfu/

My younger son had a Serotta when he was racing. It's not custom, but it's very pretty. It hung in the shed for a few years and we cleaned it up and gave it to our other son, who thankfully, is strong enough to ride a bike with racer's gearing. It's a classic bike now, and he always gets comments on it.

[Sylvia]

Another option is Terry, which has its 44cm bikes on 650 wheels and its smaller sizes with a 24inch front and 700 back. I rode a Terry that was too big for me a while back. I found it a bit squirrely. I also find the small front large rear set up ugly. But if it was the best fit I could get past my offended aesthetics. :) However, it is a big production to try to get one to try. Terry has aluminum bikes and also steel in their semi-custom.



You might contact Georgena Terry and see what she could offer, particularly if you are willing to spend up to $4k. Terry works with Waterford to build some of their bikes, and they may be able to get you a custom bike built. Georgena is very down to earth; her email is georgena@terrybicycles.com

[Crankin]

You know, I don't think we have any old pictures, but maybe I can ask the DS who has it now to snap one.

[eofelis]

I'm 5'2" and I have a Gunnar Sport custom and a 44cm 2007 Specialized Ruby.

The Gunnar was not a custom for me so I can't comment on their custom process. I got it on ebay and it fits me pretty well. It's got about a 51cm eTT length. It has 700c wheels. Stock Gunnar Sport frames in that size range have 650c wheels. It's quite a nice riding bike.

The Ruby is a bit shorter, 49.something eTT.

I have a 42cm LHT also. I used to ride a 42cm Pacer. Even though they have different wheel sizes they are both about the same eTT and standover. So if one fits you the other will too. The Pacer is not a light fast road bike but it's comfortable and bombproof.

A friend of mine is shorter than I am and she rides a tiny Lemond Big Sky road bike. It's an aluminum frame with carbon fork, 700c wheels. I'm not sure of the measurements of this bike but it seems to fit her pretty well. She had a Retul fit done last year and her fit checked out ok. She could probably benefit from a custom frame but she keeps riding the Lemond. She has done Ride The Rockies several times with it.

[Miranda]

EDIT ADD: OK, I went back and found your SO height and compared it to the geo, it might be just a hair too big, drats. However, remember our "cycling inseam" is different than our pants inseam. A good fitter should get it right. Oh well, maybe some other comments of help to consider below...

I don't know if this would fit, but Orbea makes a 47cm carbon roadie with geo close to what you need for TT, forgetting the SO mentioned earlier, atm.

http://www.orbea.com/us-us/bicis/modelos/orca_dama_blt/#informacion_tecnica

I'm 5"4 1/2 5" ish depending how tall I stretch up my neck, I'm shrinking I told the gyn doc last time I got on the measuring scale thingy. :rolleyes:

My torso is very long, and I have short legs. I love my Orbea!

I have degenerative disk disease and arthritis in my neck-spine etc. & other stuff blab blab blab... will stop the medical woes list there. One reason I bought the bike from my aluminum frame bike was to help soak up the road, vs my body doing so. Oh, love the carbon for that.

With the skinny road tires you will feel the road more compared to your hybrid. Like on your test ride you mentioned early on. However, there are many tweeks to help with that. I.e. having slightly wider road tires, tire pressure, carbon bars... and even stiffness of the carbon frame.

My Orbea Onix Dama is considered to be more of a "plush" carbon, vs a race carbon. It's heavy-ish for a carbon. On the shop scales it was 18#s+ with Ultergra and the Reynolds stock wheels. It's still very responsive, but probably not as snappy as the stiffer pound lighter framed bike. But that extra plush or give helps soak up the road for our bodies.

Just something else to throw out there. Cervelo made a 48cm with 650s but don't know if that would be too big or not. Good Luck!

[goldfinch]

Miranda, it looks too big as the standover is too much for me.

Current plans:
--contact G. Terry to discuss options with a custom Terry/Waterford
--go to Duluth bike shop and discuss Gunnar.
--check out Now Bike and Fitness in St. Paul, they suggest a 44cm Jamis Endura might work and they also do custom from several different builders, including Waterford.
--try out the 2011 43cm Trek Madone I tracked down at Penn Cycle in the twin cities (and the Lexa if I can track one down).
-- I need to call around some more shops in the cities before I go to see what is available in smaller sizes. I'd like to try to track down a Petite Felt and a 44cm Specialized Ruby and maybe Dolce. The Ruby and Dolce should be easier to find. I did find a 44cm 2011 Women's Ruby Comp at the shop where I bought the Quick. I can try it out when I am down there, but I am not thrilled with buying from them.

[Catrin]

G. Terry doesn't own Terry Bikes any longer...I forget who she sold it to.

You might also want to consider a Waterford/Gunnar. Waterford uses the same steel tubing as their Waterfords, you just pay separately for the aesthetic bells and whistles as opposed to having them included in the price. Gunnars are great quality and are less expensive than many custom bikes for that reason. I had a fantastic experience building my Gunnar, it is a full custom bike, but of course they also have stock sizes and designs.

[WindingRoad]

For your budget, go custom: Serotta would be a great option.:)

[Trek420]

G. Terry doesn't own Terry Bikes any longer...I forget who she sold it to.

Vermont Teddy Bears I think :rolleyes: I don't know if she still designs/builds the bikes or if she's kicking back, riding and enjoying the check :). Check their forum, people list used Terrys there. If you know your size/specs you may find one for sale.

+1 on Waterford/Gunnar. Knot has a Waterford she bought used right here on TE. It's a beautiful bike.

I would consider a Rivendel for custom. Yes, I know, I know, they are mostly tour/city bikes. But Rivs can be fast. I think Veronica here on our board has a Riv or two. And I know they are comfortable with the right fit.

Subliminal hint/vote .... custom steel :p

[Kathi]

For your budget, go custom: Serotta would be a great option.:)

+1. I love my Serotta.

Goldfinch, I keep thinking about you comment about short arms. I, too, have short arms and found that it is very important that you're fitter recognize this. Head tube length will be very important to you. I don't think there is a stock frame that would have met my needs, thus the custom Serotta.

When I bought the Aegis is was to be my dream bike but it didn't fit. At the time I trusted this LBS, the "fitter" was well known in the area and trusted as the best bike fitter, but he was used to working with men and average sized women, not small ones like me and he eyeballed bike fit. My major problem was my handlebars were 4 cm too low, he missed the short arm issue. The bike shop had cut the steerer tube on the fork so I had to buy a new fork. With a new fork and lots of spacers I had better fit but the bike doesn't handle well. My custom Serotta has a much longer head tube, therefore, I have better fit and much better handling. When I return from my bike ride I will post pictures of the before and after changes on the Aegis and the custom Serotta.

My advice to you is find a very good bike fitter who understands your needs and one you can trust. Don't worry about size, brand or frame materials at this point, the right frame will surface once you learn what your needs are. This will only come about with a very good bike fitting by a knowledgeable bike fitter.

[Sylvia]

G. Terry doesn't own Terry Bikes any longer...I forget who she sold it to.

Georgena sold a majority share in the company, but she still works for the company.

[Crankin]

Kathi, what you describe is pretty much the difference between my Kuota (48 cm men's bike, with short reach brifters and short and shallow bars) and the Guru I am getting custom. My steerer tube is cut off so much, there's like none. The bike is twitchy, which is not good for someone like me. But, it fits other than that and I am not getting rid of it. After I get the Guru, the shop is going to try and help me more with the fit of the Kuota... this has been a 5 year saga. For what I paid for it, I could have got a custom bike.

[goldfinch]

+1. I love my Serotta.

Goldfinch, I keep thinking about you comment about short arms. I, too, have short arms and found that it is very important that you're fitter recognize this. Head tube length will be very important to you. I don't think there is a stock frame that would have met my needs, thus the custom Serotta.

When I bought the Aegis is was to be my dream bike but it didn't fit. At the time I trusted this LBS, the "fitter" was well known in the area and trusted as the best bike fitter, but he was used to working with men and average sized women, not small ones like me and he eyeballed bike fit. My major problem was my handlebars were 4 cm too low, he missed the short arm issue. The bike shop had cut the steerer tube on the fork so I had to buy a new fork. With a new fork and lots of spacers I had better fit but the bike doesn't handle well. My custom Serotta has a much longer head tube, therefore, I have better fit and much better handling. When I return from my bike ride I will post pictures of the before and after changes on the Aegis and the custom Serotta.

My advice to you is find a very good bike fitter who understands your needs and one you can trust. Don't worry about size, brand or frame materials at this point, the right frame will surface once you learn what your needs are. This will only come about with a very good bike fitting by a knowledgeable bike fitter.

Please, post pictures. And thanks for your thoughts.

[Kathi]

Please, post pictures. And thanks for your thoughts.

Here goes:

The 1st picture is my Aegis in the original state. The bike shop simply took the measurements from my old bike and set it up that way. They never looked at me on the bike. This was done in 2000. Note how low the handlebars are and the setback on the seat post. The head tube is very short which was a common build back then. I don't know if it's obvious but the nose of my saddle is pointed down. I kept sliding forward.

Picture 2 is after the refit in 03. New fork, new stem with a high rise but still lots of spacers, zero degree seatpost and flat saddle. My handlebars were 4 cm too low.

[goldfinch]

Thanks Kathi. Given my neck issues I want to be sure that I do not end up with handlebars too low. Plus, I want the option to move them up if my neck gets worse.

[Kathi]

For some reason I couldn't post the 3rd picture but here's a link to one I posted several years ago.

This is my beautiful Serotta. Note how long the head tube is. Not sure if you can see the spacers but the bike is designed to raise the handlebars by rearranging the spacers. I can also change the rise in the stem. At this point the fit is perfect. I hope I never have to go to the extreme I had to on the Aegis. This is what a custom frame can be. BTW, I'm 63.

http://forums.teamestrogen.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4646&d=1192890559

I absolutely did not want to compromise handling so this frame is built for 650c wheels. I'm glad I stayed with 650's, handling is a dream, sure and confident. It's a 48 cm frame, I'm just barely 5'2.

[goldfinch]

For some reason I couldn't post the 3rd picture but here's a link to one I posted several years ago.

This is my beautiful Serotta. Note how long the head tube is. Not sure if you can see the spacers but the bike is designed to raise the handlebars by rearranging the spacers. I can also change the rise in the stem. At this point the fit is perfect. I hope I never have to go to the extreme I had to on the Aegis. This is what a custom frame can be. BTW, I'm 63.

http://forums.teamestrogen.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4646&d=1192890559

That bike is gorgeous.

[Kathi]

Thanks Kathi. Given my neck issues I want to be sure that I do not end up with handlebars too low. Plus, I want the option to move them up if my neck gets worse.

The Aegis is at it's limit, the Serotta has room to "age" so to speak. :)

[Kathi]

That bike is gorgeous.

Thank you, it was my retirement gift to myself. It is carbon and ti, Campy Record, and custom made wheels which were cheaper than the ones my LBS wanted to sell me.

[NbyNW]

Just a bit more to reinforce the good advice that has already been posted:

I'm 5'1" and my Rodriguez is effectively 43cm with 650C wheels. It still has a bit of toe overlap, but I never turn that sharply. The bike it replaced was custom for its original owner, 42cm also with 650C wheels. Both are steel, smooth rides.

With your budget and needs you really should consider custom. Find a fitter you like, ask them how long it takes them to fabricate a bike, how many adjustments they will give you after delivery.

Hopefully with the right bike you'll be able to stay limber and hold off that arthritis a bit longer!

[sah]

Terry Fast woman has 650 Wheels, Steel. I have a 2006 Fast Woman great bike. Very quick. No problem with overlap and I keep up with the 700 wheels no problem.

Also look at Felt ZW petite if you want carbon. This is also with 650 wheels. I spoke with Felt reps and they put the ZW4 petite on the Demo truck. I met up with the truck and took it for a ride, very smooth. I have a ZW1 petite on order.

I spoke with many different bike reps.. about 650 wheels for smaller frames.. it is the best fit but for some reason most people want 700s. I like my 650 wheels even if my choice is limited. I have 1800 miles on my bike and have done multiple day rides with no problem.

[goldfinch]

I have the Felt ZW petite on my list to try. If I can't locate one I take your idea and call the Felt rep. I feel that it is most likely I will be on 650 wheels. I have no problem with that at all.

[goldfinch]

J

I'm 5'1" and my Rodriguez is effectively 43cm with 650C wheels. It still has a bit of toe overlap, but I never turn that sharply. The bike it replaced was custom for its original owner, 42cm also with 650C wheels. Both are steel, smooth rides.



I was wondering about the Rodriguez, their prices are very reasonable.

[NbyNW]

I was wondering about the Rodriguez, their prices are very reasonable.

Let me know if you have any questions.

[goldfinch]

Let me know if you have any questions.

Was your bike the full custom or one of their standard frames?

[Crankin]

Just got a note from the VP at Guru. They started building our "dream machines," as he called them.
They seem quite easy to work with. Now we have to zero in on the components...

[NbyNW]

Was your bike the full custom or one of their standard frames?

I ended up getting the smallest standard frame that they make. If it helps, my inseam is 27".

[goldfinch]

Just got a note from the VP at Guru. They started building our "dream machines," as he called them.
They seem quite easy to work with. Now we have to zero in on the components...

Cool. Let us know how you fit it out.

[goldfinch]

Well, decision made and I have a new bike, a 43cm 2011 Trek Madone 4.7, with 650 wheels. Here it is in the kitchen of the family cottage, in front of the sink I used to get baths in as a baby. :)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X7IYCV32qGI/TngCFkQvMtI/AAAAAAAAZpA/sZSQa-6yYiE/s640/066.JPG

I ended up having discussions with two fitters, one who does bike fits down in Minneapolis and works with several shops. The other works at a bike shop in Duluth, Minnesota near my home base. The Duluth fitter is well recommended by local people I talked to who bike extensively. The local guy is really well liked.

Both agreed that the very small Madone would work for me and that I would not have to go custom unless I wanted to. Both favored the carbon fiber Madone over the similarly sized aluminum Lexa. I vacillated a bit and then decided that I would buy the stock bike. I save some money in the process and it also addresses the fact that I now am in the transition time of year and will be gradually heading south over the next few months. I got a good deal on the 2011 Madone, one of few left at the factory. I also am getting a complete fit for no extra cost. At the preliminary fit on the Madone he determined that I needed shorter shafts on my pedals (I am going for speedplay) and those custom pedals are on order. I also am getting a new seat post because my beloved Terry Butterfly carbon seat would not fit properly on the stock post. In the meantime I am riding the bike with my powergrip pedals and the stock seat. The brakes were adjusted and unlike several other small bikes I have tried, these ones are easy for me to operate.

The stock seat is horrible and can't wait to get my butterfly back. But other than my ***, everything else feels great! Though I just got it and don't even have 25 miles on it yet. :)

Yesterday I rode it 18.5 miles, our first nice day in a long time. I would have gone further but for the seat. I rode a nice varied ride to get a feel for the bike and for shifting before I get my clipless pedals. I went up and down the rolling hills in the area, shifting through most all the gears. This is my first experience using "brifters." Once in a while I would mix up whether I was going up or down on the rear derailleur and also would not always pick the best place to shift to or from the big chain ring and the small. Nevertheless, by the end of the ride I was getting pretty comfortable with shifting and knowing where I was at in the sequence.

One big worry of mine was the gearing as it is a compact double and not geared as low as the mountain gearing on my Quick. I previously had ridden a couple of slightly larger bikes (a 44cm Cannondale and Specialized Ruby) and thought that they were not geared at all low enough for me. (They also were too big) So, I was prepared to change out to a more mountain gearing set up, which turns out would be a bit fussy but doable on the Madone. The particular ride I did yesterday had three hills that I always have to go up in the lowest gear on my Quick. I wondered if I could make it up the hills in first on the Madone. I was surprised. I was able to do every hill. On the three steepest hills I was pedaling slow but I made it up. On the Quick I could spin the pedals faster than the Madone. Nevertheless, I made it up. I also used the lowest gear on a couple of lower but longer hills, that worked fine. One thing for sure, the Madone flew down the hills!

My current plan is to keep the gearing set up for the winter in flat Texas, and then see where I am at in the spring and where I plan to ride. My hunch is that the gearing is going to be fine for the kind of riding I do.

My first ride, four miles the day before in the wind and cold, the bike felt a bit twitchy. The twitchy feeling has mostly gone away. Instead, I would call it responsive. However, I had a couple of awkward moments looking over my shoulder.

I really like varying the hand positions, which was one of the reasons I wanted a road bike. I am a little concerned about whether the reach is a bit too far when I am on the hoods. It probably is. I tend to slide a bit forward on the seat if I ride the hoods for several miles. However, part of the problem was due to trying to get comfortable on the Second Worst Seat in the Entire World (The first being the seat on my old so called comfort bike). Otherwise, I can ride on the tops and drops with ease and comfort. Even the hoods feel fine, I just found myself pushing back on the seat to get in the right position. I'll talk to the fitter about it.

This bike takes roughness in the pavement far, far better than my Quick, even when I reduce air pressure on the Quick tires. It is smooth. It is quiet. I even am faster.

I am happy.

:)

I do have some things to mull over as I incorporate this bike into the fleet. :) One is that I am stealing the seat off of my Cannondale. So, I need a new seat for the Cannondale but hate to spend a pile on another leather Butterfly. I am stalking the for sale threads here for a while, and eBay. I do like the butterfly shape.

My other issue is carrying stuff on the Madone. I only have room for one water bottle. I suppose I am stuck with that? Also, what about my pump? It is about 8 inches long. Do you think it would fit on the frame? I will not put a pump on the bottle holder anymore. I broke the holder off on my Quick when my pants caught on the pump.

Finally, it is now getting dark earlier. I have to think about lights. I have none. I do have a rear blinking light that I use on my helmet.

[Koronin]

Congrats, nice looking bike.

[azfiddle]

Congrats Goldfinch. I love the blue color, and am very happy for you that you found a non-custom option.

I must be a bit bigger than you, as the 44 cm Ruby does fit, but my most recent tweak included turning the seatpost around to get the saddle closer to the bars!

[goldfinch]

Congrats Goldfinch. I love the blue color, and am very happy for you that you found a non-custom option.

I must be a bit bigger than you, as the 44 cm Ruby does fit, but my most recent tweak included turning the seatpost around to get the saddle closer to the bars!

My fitter said that moving the seat closer would then mean my position over the pedals would be wrong. So, no matter what I was too stretched on the Ruby.

[Owlie]

Very pretty!

[Crankin]

You may have to dump the pump for CO2. I had a pump on my 47 cm Madone, but on the bottom side of the top tube and then later on the down tube. DH had to jerry rig some clamps that would work on the carbon. There is no way I would do that on my Kuota, since it has unique shaped tubing.

[Sylvia]

Love the color. Nice looking bike. :)

[Caddy]

Congrats! Looks like a lovely bike. I wouldn't worry too much about gearing; that should be fine for most of your needs.

My bike fitter said that ideally you should change your hand position every 5 minutes. That might help with the sliding forward on the seat problem.

[roo4]

Oh my! That is one gorgeous bike! Ride well.

[KatzPajamas]

Goldfinch~Beautiful choice! Hope you can get in some rides the next few weeks!:D

[goldfinch]

My new seatpost came in so the bike shop was able to put on my Terry Butterfly seat today. Happy! Now if the weather would give me a break! Next week my pedals will be in and I want to be really comfortable riding this bike before hand.

[smittykitty]

She's real purdy!!!! Congrats.

[goldfinch]

I am loving this bike. Very comfortable and I don't feel too stretched out on the hoods anymore. I still have to go in for my complete fitting when my pedals come it, but I don't think that much more will have to be adjusted. I rode my usual route (16 to 18 miles) with my cousin yesterday and charged up the hills that I was worried I could not do with the Madone gearing.

Thank you Trek for having such a nice bike in a very small package.

But.

My bikeshop said that my Madone was not going to be available in such a small size in 2012. That is why I jumped so quickly on buying one of the last three tiny Madone's. I just checked out Trek's 2012 models. No Madone WSD 4.7, it is now the 4.6 and the smallest is 47 cm, not the 43 I have. The Madone 4.5 WSD which doesn't have quite as nice components comes in a 44cm size but the top tube is nearly two centimeters longer than on my 2011 bike (49.9 vs 48). It doesn't say if the wheels are 650s or 700s. Given the longer top tube my guess is 700 wheels. I need and like the 650s.

I am very glad I got my bike when I did.

[Koronin]

goldfinch, also next year's men's Madones are not going to come in the 47cm size. Also when looking at the WSD 47cm they've changed the geometry to what the men's 47cm had been. I had no idea they also were getting rid of the 43cm Madones as well. The 47cm's are 700s. When we were at one of the bike stores they discovered that for us.
I'm very happy you were able to get the bike you wanted and needed. My husband and I both ended up jumping at getting Felt F5 bikes. His is the 51cm and mine is the 48cm one, and mines going to be one of the limited edition ones. The one they currently have is the 51cm, so they had to order mine. When he went to order it he found that they still had some of the limited editions if I wanted that one instead. Yes I had to jump at that.

[goldfinch]

goldfinch, also next year's men's Madones are not going to come in the 47cm size. Also when looking at the WSD 47cm they've changed the geometry to what the men's 47cm had been. I had no idea they also were getting rid of the 43cm Madones as well. The 47cm's are 700s. When we were at one of the bike stores they discovered that for us.
I'm very happy you were able to get the bike you wanted and needed. My husband and I both ended up jumping at getting Felt F5 bikes. His is the 51cm and mine is the 48cm one, and mines going to be one of the limited edition ones. The one they currently have is the 51cm, so they had to order mine. When he went to order it he found that they still had some of the limited editions if I wanted that one instead. Yes I had to jump at that.

No more extra small Lexa either, the smallest is 47cm.

I guess the tiny bike market is not big enough for Trek. Disappointing for us short folks. It looks like all that is left with less than 50cm top tubes are the Felt and the Terry for non-custom options and those can be hard to track down to try.

[azfiddle]

What about Specialized? According to the Specialized website, the top tube on a 44 cm Ruby is 493 mm.

[goldfinch]

What about Specialized? According to the Specialized website, the top tube on a 44 cm Ruby is 493 mm.

True. I rounded up too much! My 2011 Trek is a 48cm top tube.

[Koronin]

That does suck. I'm glad you were able to get one that was still available.

[Dagney]

goldfinch,
I have no help for you as I am just starting out in serious bike riding after years land years of family rides etc. You have given me great points to ponder as I get ready to move to Arizona and begin a new with what I hope is going to be a great bike organization for women in my age range ...60ish. I will take all your info with me as I look for a new bike. Thanks

[Trek420]

It looks like all that is left with less than 50cm top tubes are the Felt and the Terry for non-custom options and those can be hard to track down to try.

Terry Symmetry available right now 50% off on Bonktown

http://www.bonktown.com/?sssdmh=dm10.107474&cmp_id=EM_SAL7005a4&mv_pc=r105

[goldfinch]

Terry Symmetry available right now 50% off on Bonktown

http://www.bonktown.com/?sssdmh=dm10.107474&cmp_id=EM_SAL7005a4&mv_pc=r105

Dang! Missed it.

[Trek420]

I know, it's Accelerade now :rolleyes:

But you could win a Symmetry. Actually you'd win 2. One for your fave LBS, one for you.

http://www.terrybicycles.com/RIF

[CyborgQueen]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Jamis.

They have 44cm, AND in 700c wheels. I get some looks at my new frame (Jamis replaced my frame because I was having Fitting woes with the 48cm men). People kept telling me how tiny my bike is and asked if I have the 650 wheels, and they would be shocked to find out that it's 700c wheels.


Try Jamis?

[goldfinch]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Jamis.

They have 44cm, AND in 700c wheels. I get some looks at my new frame (Jamis replaced my frame because I was having Fitting woes with the 48cm men). People kept telling me how tiny my bike is and asked if I have the 650 wheels, and they would be shocked to find out that it's 700c wheels.


Try Jamis?

When I was shopping I looked at the Jamis Endura. The smallest had a top tube length of 49.5cm, just too big for me. (It is very close to the size of the 44cm Ruby which is 49.3 effective TT). Otherwise, a very nice bike and reasonable cost. I've noticed that the bikes with 700 wheels end up with too long a reach for me. But I am less that 4'11" and have a short torso and short arms.

[kajero]

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[nuliajuk]

Here's an off-the-wall suggestion:
http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/mini-velo
The top tube on the smallest size is 48.5. The frame angles are pretty slack, so it probably rides more like a mid-50s touring bike than a road bike.

[nuliajuk]

Soma has kind of dropped the ball on several of their frames. The San Marco and the Buena Vista mixte come designed for 26" or 650c wheels in the smaller sizes, but don't go down to really small sizes that very short adults could use.
Some manufacturers make high-end juvenile road bikes that might work for a really small adult as well. Don't know how easy it would be to find 24" road tires, but it's possible to get a Pinerello and an Argon 18. There may be others out there as well.
http://www.pinarello.com/eng/speedy_792.php
http://www.argon18bike.com/bicyles/junior/xenon-650.html (This one has 650C wheels)
Kona makes a small version of the Jake 'cross bike.
http://www.konaworld.com/jake_24.cfm

[kajero]

Goldfinch
I have a Specialized Ruby 44cm. When you come down in September if you want to take it for a long test ride let me know. You are certainly welcome to do so.

[Owlie]

Fuji makes the Ace, which has a 24" or 650c wheel option. The 650c option only goes up to Tiagra components, however.

[goldfinch]

Goldfinch
I have a Specialized Ruby 44cm. When you come down in September if you want to take it for a long test ride let me know. You are certainly welcome to do so.

Thanks. This thread is pretty old, I ended up getting a Trek Madone in the 43cm size a couple of years ago. Love the bike. Unfortunately, they don't make this very small size anymore.

I was up north for a while, now traveling, and won't be back in Minneapolis until the end of October or early November. Hope there isn't snow on the ground. :)

My experience in looking for smaller bikes was that the junior sizes all had low end components.

For those looking for a small fairly budget friendly bike the Terry Symmetry remains an option.

[Trek420]

What do you shorter people ride for a road bike? Are the small frame aluminum and steel bikes harsh rides? Is carbon better? How close do you have to be on fit? Anyone under five feet tall ride a bike with 700cm wheels? What is or is not working for you?

Anyone have a bike from Rodriguez?

How about a Waterford or Gunnar? What kind of cost is involved with a complete custom bike? Any other companies besides Waterford?

Thank you for any thoughts you might have.

4'11 and 57 years of age. Arthritis from the neck down, torn ACL and meniscus (both knees), broken big toe and a compression fractured spine.

Fit's extremely important for me. All of our bikes are steel. When it comes to road bikes I have and have had the following;

47 cm namesake Trek 420, steel frame and fork. Upgraded the heck out of it. Comparable to the current Trek 520.

My Mondonico is full custom build. It's an engineering marvel. When you're short like us you have three choices:
smaller wheels and/or ...
sloping top tube and/or ....
toe overlap.

The Mondonico has full size wheels, diamond frame and no toe overlap. I don't know how Antonio managed that one but the guy is brilliant. Unfortunately I hear that he's retired.

My 40 cm Soma Buena Vista mixte is very zippy and fast. Also quite comfortable. Yes, it's a mixte but feels almost as fast as my Mondonico.

I just bought a Salsa Vaya and while she will be the workhorse bike, slightly heavier than the other 2 but I was surprised at the fit. The Salsa's a 50 cm and fits quite well.

[ElizabethWaland]

It's definitely one of my problems, I'm quite short, 5'0" so my bike is kind of high for me, it was a gift so I continue to use it. I think I should buy a new one which really fits. Thanks for the ideas!

[dinbuffalo]

Oh gee, just noticed this 2+ years later! I hope you found your bike, goldfinch! - I'm also just under 5 feet, have really short arms, and I'm older. I ended up having a custom Seven built around 650 wheels, and have not looked back. 700c wheels are NOT appropriate for riders as small as us - there is no way to get your weight over the rear wheel. The 26 in wheels were a good idea on your end. The Seven I had built is a titanium frame - much more give and dampening of road vibration than aluminum. You could have an Axiom made in the 4000 dollar range. When a custom is built, it is built to you, and you alone - there is nothing comparable in the commercial standard sizing.

[Rebecca19804]

Oh gee, just noticed this 2+ years later! I hope you found your bike, goldfinch! - I'm also just under 5 feet, have really short arms, and I'm older. I ended up having a custom Seven built around 650 wheels, and have not looked back. 700c wheels are NOT appropriate for riders as small as us - there is no way to get your weight over the rear wheel. The 26 in wheels were a good idea on your end. The Seven I had built is a titanium frame - much more give and dampening of road vibration than aluminum. You could have an Axiom made in the 4000 dollar range. When a custom is built, it is built to you, and you alone - there is nothing comparable in the commercial standard sizing.

Hi dinbuffalo - welcome to TE! Sounds like you may have a little something to share with us over on this (http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=52979)thread?? :D

[cwalksride]

I just bought a vintage Specialized Sirrus in I believe 49cm, I literally just got it yesterday. I have to double check of the exact size. I have to tip toe when I stand on it but I feel comfortable riding it... I love it but it may be a little too big for me. It is really hard to find my perfect size in the older models....it's sad. I am enjoying the ride for now... I can always sell it I guess since it is in the shop right now getting tuned up.

[estronat]

I know this is a very old thread, but I am one of the shorties here, at barely 5'0". I purchased a Specialized Vita Comp in the XS frame, which is the size I needed. I can stand over the top bar (just barely, but enough), and the rest seems to fit me well. So for those who are looking for bike for very short riders, check out the Specialized line and look specifically for models that have a size "XS."