SI Turbomatic, SSM Aspide Glamour, Ruby...T-shaped Saddle Chat HERE!

[zoom-zoom]

OK, so depending upon how I measure my sits I get anywhere from 125-135mm (hard to tell, since my butt feels like it's covered in a layer of memory foam :o )...so maybe something in the 155mm neighborhood wouldn't be too wide.

Considering the above 3 saddles to replace my Jett 143 (which I would move to my cyclocross bike, since I wont be "in the saddle" as much on that frame, anyhow). I notice the Glamour lacks a cut-out...do those who use this saddle miss it? I'm pretty sure I need a cut-out, but found that the edges of said cut-out sometimes hit me wrong...some rides my saddle feels wonderful, other rides not-so-much (mostly I experience pinching of labia and relatively minor pressure). It definitely seemed to be a better fit on my previous bike, which had me more upright and was a little scrunched through the cockpit. Now I like riding in the drops a lot more (I can breathe!), but riding along in the hoods sometimes leaves something to be desired on longer rides.

[nscrbug]

I'm like you, Kirsten...in that I sometimes get that "pinching" of the labia on the cutout of my Ruby. Which is why I opted to try out the Affinity RXL, which I ended up returning today. :( I loved riding in the drops on the Affinity, because it offers a tad bit more padding on the nose over the Ruby. Riding in my drops on the Ruby is pretty painful (for me), because there is next to nothing in the way of padding on that nose. I can generally only last about a minute or two before I have to come back up on the hoods. On the Affinity, I could stay in the drops for a good 5 minutes...woo-hoo! ;) BUT...after 400 miles of testing, my sit bones were just not happy on the Affinity...thus, the reason for returning it. Up next on my list...the SI Turbomatic.

Linda

[zoom-zoom]

It's good to know that there are others having the same issues and looking at some of the other options. Right now the Turbomatic and Glamour Arrowhead look sorta appealing. Just tougher to find. I'd prefer a white saddle since, as DH pointed out, when we do our century in Death Valley a black saddle will get VERY hot during the periods when we're stopped and the sun's beating down on the saddle. Don't want to set my butt on a stovetop! :p

[Becky]

I didn't miss not having a cut out on the Glamour Aspide, but be forewarned: that thing is rock hard! I like a firm saddle (Selle Italia SLR Lady), but this thing was ridiculous. I like the Glamour a lot on my singlespeed mountain bike, but it was just too hard for road rides longer than 3 hours.

[zoom-zoom]

I didn't miss not having a cut out on the Glamour Aspide, but be forewarned: that thing is rock hard! I like a firm saddle (Selle Italia SLR Lady), but this thing was ridiculous. I like the Glamour a lot on my singlespeed mountain bike, but it was just too hard for road rides longer than 3 hours.

Are you able to compare these to the Jett & Ruby in terms of firmness? This is something that's breaking my heart about the Fizik Arione Donna that didn't work for my anatomy--the cushion was perfectly in-between the Jett and Ruby...just perfect to me.

[zoom-zoom]

I just had DH help me measure my sit bones, again...and he got the same # that I get, roughly...about 130mm.

Which puts me pretty borderline on Specialized's chart for the 143 or 155. I am tempted to stay with Specialized, but go up a size. I seem to recall the suggestion a while back that my crookedness on the saddle could be due to my saddle being a hair too narrow, too--which makes sense.

So if I stay with Specialized...do I stay with the Jett, or try Ruby? I've mostly really liked my Jett and have done 3 centuries with that saddle. I tried someone's Ruby 143 last Summer and my sit bones were pretty angry after 10 miles, or so. I have a 150 miler coming up in 3 weeks, so I'm pretty antsy to find a better solution before that. Hoping to do another century in a week, too.

[Becky]

Are you able to compare these to the Jett & Ruby in terms of firmness? This is something that's breaking my heart about the Fizik Arione Donna that didn't work for my anatomy--the cushion was perfectly in-between the Jett and Ruby...just perfect to me.

Unfortunately, no, not with any credibility. I sat on both a Jett and a Ruby at a LBS and was looking for a secondhand Ruby to try. Someone else recommended that SLR Lady as a similar saddle to the Ruby and one popped up for sale soon thereafter.

[ny biker]

I just had DH help me measure my sit bones, again...and he got the same # that I get, roughly...about 130mm.

Which puts me pretty borderline on Specialized's chart for the 143 or 155. I am tempted to stay with Specialized, but go up a size. I seem to recall the suggestion a while back that my crookedness on the saddle could be due to my saddle being a hair too narrow, too--which makes sense.

So if I stay with Specialized...do I stay with the Jett, or try Ruby? I've mostly really liked my Jett and have done 3 centuries with that saddle. I tried someone's Ruby 143 last Summer and my sit bones were pretty angry after 10 miles, or so. I have a 150 miler coming up in 3 weeks, so I'm pretty antsy to find a better solution before that. Hoping to do another century in a week, too.

If you mostly like the Jett and the Ruby was painful, I would think it would make sense to try the wider Jett.

I know everyone else on this forum loves firm saddles, but personally I find them to be torture. I need a little bit of padding under my sit bones. It's not necessarily a bad thing.

[zoom-zoom]

I'm leaning towards the Ruby for a couple of reasons, though. I suspect my sit bones discomfort on that borrowed Ruby were due to it being too narrow, so the cushiest parts of the saddle weren't actually under my sits. It was also an older saddle with plenty of miles logged. And the 2011 Rubys (rubies? heh) apparently have a bit more of the gel padding compared to the previous versions. I also didn't have nearly the miles on my rear that I have now. Even my Jett sometimes gave me sit bone discomfort during the first half of last Summer. This year it never hurts.

And I've felt for a long while that my Jett is maybe a little too soft. I've been suspicious that I sink into that padding just a bit too much...and we all know what the result of a too-soft saddle is on our privates. If I go with the Ruby and decide it's just too firm, I always know I can happily go back to the Jett and use the Ruby on my cyclocross bike, since the time on saddle during those races and rides will be very minimal.

[Marquise]

I just got out my slightly used SSM Glamour Aspide to check and the padding is definitely firmer than the Donna. It's just a little wider at the widest point and shorter overall (because the Donna ends in sort of a point in back) but the taper from the widest part to the nose is pretty similar. The channel is slightly more pronounced at the nose end of the Donna. The SSM GA flexes side to side quite readily. I tried it pretty early on after I took up cycling and felt too much pressure up front. It's a nice enough saddle that I thought should try it again after I gained some more experience. I know my core strength is much improved so maybe I will one of these days.

[zoom-zoom]

I have a feeling the Glamour is similar to the Ruby in terms of firmness...maybe even moreso, from some things I've read.

[Becky]

I have a feeling the Glamour is similar to the Ruby in terms of firmness...maybe even moreso, from some things I've read.

In my very unscientific opinion, it's harder/less padded. I specifically went saddle-hunting at the Specialized dealer because my sit bones ached at the 3-hour mark. The fact that I was ready to buy a Ruby makes me think that the Ruby had slightly more padding, but it was dense, supportive cushion, not squishy "migrate into your bits" cushion.

[zoom-zoom]

In my very unscientific opinion, it's harder/less padded. I specifically went saddle-hunting at the Specialized dealer because my sit bones ached at the 3-hour mark. The fact that I was ready to buy a Ruby makes me think that the Ruby had slightly more padding, but it was dense, supportive cushion, not squishy "migrate into your bits" cushion.

That's exactly what I'm looking for. I really liked the cushion on that Arione Donna (a bit firmer/thinner than the Jett)...I'd love to see how a wider version of that would work for me. The existing one is 147...I think even 155 would be good. I think because of the shape of it, the effective width was less than the 143 Jett, at least under my butt. My guess is it would work well for the women who fall on the smaller end of the 143 size chart.

[RubyTuesday]

This is just the thread I needed. I am riding a Ruby right now with a Jett saddle. While it feels comfortable when I first start to ride, by the end of 15 miles I am moving around on the saddle to get comfortable. I have solved some of my issue with Hoo Haa Ride Glide, but my sit bones were sore last night after my ride. Without getting too graphic....ok going to be hard not to be too graphic when you are talking about "bits", but I found them tingly sore at the end of the ride. I often feel I need to shift in my seat because I feel a bit "splayed" and need to shift to close the gap. Told you this was going to be graphic....sorry. :o So I am wondering if I should try a seat with no gap. I definitely want one that is a bit squishy, I think. Why do people here like the harder seats?

I am having a hard time measuring my sit bones. I tried this morning using some of the tactics you mentioned, but I am off a lot at each measuring. I came up with 127 once and 139 the next time. Is there anyone technology that can measure sit bones?

I am new to riding, so maybe some of my issues are just newbie issues and I need to toughen up.

Gawd, I never thought I would be online talking about this stuff.

[zoom-zoom]

RT, I wonder if you're suffering the "too-narrow-saddle blues," too. If you're measuring somewhere between 127-139 I suspect that maybe you also need to move up to the 155.

As far as firm saddles go...when I first started riding my Jett made my sit-bones feel enraged. With time your sit bones will adapt and your rear will toughen and you won't have those discomforts. After my last 2 century rides my sit bones were about the only part of me that didn't hurt. :p

With a firmer saddle your weight is borne by your sitbones. If you're on a saddle with too much padding, your sitbones can have a tendency to sink-in, then the softer foam or gel padding can be displaced and jam itself into your soft tissues. Better to have some sit bone discomfort than pressure and chafing on your privates.

[zoom-zoom]

Oh, and as far as measuring techniques go, I've always done the flexible tape measure method, though it can be a challenge with my long torso and short arms...and the dense "padding" over my sit bones. :rolleyes:

My hubby has helped me and we both pretty consistently put me at ~130mm center-to-center.

Other people have gone to shops to be measured on gel or memory foam pads or done measurements with playdough, etc.

[RubyTuesday]

Thanks Kirsten, I guess I will just stick with this seat for awhile and toughen up.

What the heck did we do before we had forums? Suffer in silence, I guess. :p I think I measured finally about right at 130 also.

[Kathi]

This is the 3rd season for my Ruby. I bought it because my bike fitter recommended it to me, my old saddle was too wide and we were trying to solve my back issues. I was skeptical of it because of the cutout. I hated the 1 cutout saddle I had tried and ended up selling it. In retrospect the bike I had it on didn't fit and that could have been my issue with that particular saddle.

My bike fitter told me to be patient with the Ruby, that after it was broken in I would love it. Unfortunately, I went on a week long bike tour the next week and didn't get time to break it in. On the tour I was pretty miserable, especially my sit bones. I realized my sitbones had never really touched my previous saddles. I noticed that my shorts made a difference. My beloved Shebeest Triple S shorts weren't comfortable as I also sat sideways on the saddle and got chafing on the right side, but the Shebeest Century shorts felt much better. The difference between the 2 shorts was the chamois, the Triple S had a liner on the wings of the chamois while the Century short had foam padding.

Halfway through the tour I was determined to take the saddle back when I got home, it was the worst saddle I ever had. I thought as good as my fitter is he was wrong about that saddle. I wore the Century shorts for the rest of the tour and by the end of the week things were calming down and I was beginning to appreciate it Now the Ruby is the most comfortable saddle I've ever had.

When I buy new shorts I make sure they have padding on the wings and I've had no chafing since. My fitter recommended putting chamois cream on the chamois. I don't remember if I did that on the tour but I do now for rides over an hour.

My fitter was right on, as usual, give the saddle time to break in and it will be perfect. I just tried to break it in to fast. Later that summer I put the Ariel on my mtn bike and like it as much as I do the Ruby.

A comment about the sideways sitting. I did that for years no matter what saddle I used. I never understood why until I started having issues with my SI joint. I was also sitting sideways in chairs, the car, etc. Now that I have that issue straightened out, for now, I no longer sit sideways on my saddle.

Hope this helps with your saddle decisions.

[zoom-zoom]

That would be interesting to try the men's models--how much do they differ from the women's equivalents in = widths?

I figure I can always try the Ruby...and if I don't like the lack of cushion I could go with the same size Jett or Alias or Avatar. That nice return policy that Specialized has is a good deal--and it gets people like me opting for their stuff, vs. some of the European competition.

[zoom-zoom]

The Henge looks like it could be useful on my CX bike...interesting!

[zoom-zoom]

If you go to 'view all,' rather than choose a category like women's, road/multipsport, etc., it will show you all their saddles on one page. Then you can look without being constrained by their categories. Because the Phenom is a great road saddle, even though they call it a mountain bike saddle.

That's a good point...and, man...they have a LOT of men-specific saddles! :eek:

[kermit]

I have tried all of the saddles discussed at some point or another, including the avatar. I didn't hate it but it did give me like a "hot" seat from the pressure and padding. It's not overly padded but more than the ruby I was using. I have tried a ruby at least three separate times, once after my super fitting, and it always gives me rubs by the cutout. I am currently on an Affinity RXL, I love the dent but it's the only place to be. The seat is super hard and flat, no flex at all but gives you a good push on hills. It's amazing how different they all are and I have a vesta at home I want to try as well. I would say to try a men's version if you think it might work. They are not that different, my husband rides a toupe, it's the same as the ruby was. Just different marketing. He's on a romin now, that things a beast. Super hard, but he likes it. I did just order a turbomatic to try, if I hate it, it'll be up for sale in the classifieds.

[RubyTuesday]

My sister suffers from pelvic pain and she uses a noseless saddle. Something to think about anyhow. I am not sure I would like it.

Sorry, kind of off topic.

[nscrbug]

I have tried all of the saddles discussed at some point or another, including the avatar. I didn't hate it but it did give me like a "hot" seat from the pressure and padding. It's not overly padded but more than the ruby I was using. I have tried a ruby at least three separate times, once after my super fitting, and it always gives me rubs by the cutout. I am currently on an Affinity RXL, I love the dent but it's the only place to be. The seat is super hard and flat, no flex at all but gives you a good push on hills. It's amazing how different they all are and I have a vesta at home I want to try as well. I would say to try a men's version if you think it might work. They are not that different, my husband rides a toupe, it's the same as the ruby was. Just different marketing. He's on a romin now, that things a beast. Super hard, but he likes it. I did just order a turbomatic to try, if I hate it, it'll be up for sale in the classifieds.

I too, just ordered a Turbomatic (Gel Flow, all black)...so depending on how I like it there might be 2 of 'em up for sale. :D

[zoom-zoom]

I too, just ordered a Turbomatic (Gel Flow, all black)...so depending on how I like it there might be 2 of 'em up for sale. :D

If I end up not loving my Ruby saddle we could talk some trades! :D

[kermit]

I am creating quite a collection...I just want one to work...all the time. I am giving the Affinity RXL a GOOD try, my husband reminded me that I tend to give them one or two tries and get frustrated, so I will take more time. I have not used any lube for a while and that is why I started trying saddles without a cutout, I may be a person that needs a cutout and just HAS to lube. So many things to consider, saddles, shorts, lube...mind boggling sometimes!

[zoom-zoom]

Did my first ride on my new Ruby, today...I am definitely strongly in-like after 35 miles. I kept expecting sit bone pain, but really...there was none. It definitely felt firm and I was much more aware of my sit bones, but I didn't experience anything remotely painful. I am also pretty certain that I should have been on a 155 all this time. I'm eager to see what my hubby thinks next time we ride together...hopefully he doesn't see me drifting off to the left side of the saddle, anymore.

I'm doing a century on Sunday...I will report back re: how the saddle works for that distance. :)

[macski]

Apologies for the double post

[macski]

zoom-zoom - glad you are enjoying the Ruby so far. I must be similar to you in terms of width of saddle. I am on the cusp on the Specialized chart between a 143 and a 155 - the lbs guy said that if I rode mostly in the drops I should get the 143 but if more time on the hoods, I would need a 155 (which I got)

One of my bikes came with the Ruby and I hated it - numb girly bits for a couple of hours after every ride. Swapped it with my Jett from another bike and everything was fine although I noticed my sit bones if I hadn't ridden for a few days and got back on the bike. Then I got a new bike and got a Jett for it and it has been the best yet - no sit bone pain at all and good for long rides. It wasn't what I expected because this Jett is the model down (the sport version) and has slightly more padding. Go figure! But I rarely even notice my saddle on a ride unless I stay in one position for too long.

I noticed that you said you were concerned aout getting a saddle that was too squishy and so was I, which is why the new Jett was such a pleasant surprise.

But if you continue to like the Ruby you won't need to consider Jett models.

[zoom-zoom]

At some point I'd consider getting a Jett in the 155 for my cyclocross bike. I think I will stick with the 143 for a while, since I won't be putting nearly the miles on that bike that I do my road bike...and during races my butt won't be in the saddle as much, anyhow. If I end up doing a lot of outdoor riding this Winter it may be a nice thing to have on that bike, though.

[zoom-zoom]

If you shop for saddles a la e-bay in winter, the prices are much lower.

I purchased a Specialized Toupe 155 there for 65 dollars. The same models go for over 100 this time of year.

That's kind of what I figured. Now that I know the size is right I don't need to have that ability to send it back to Specialized in 30 days. :D

[zoom-zoom]

Hrmmm...so I think I'm running into the 155 Ruby being maybe not quite t-shaped enough. The transition of the 155 Ruby vs. the 143 in the Jett make them look pretty dissimilar. It's not so bad when I'm on the hoods, but in the drops I am definitely feeling sorta tender in that zone where my inner butt-cheek meets the back of my thigh.

So I think I'm back to considering the SSM Glamour Arrowhead or SI Turbomatic...*sigh* Which one was softer/firmer of the two?

[macski]

You don't want to try the Jett in a 155? You might find that the shape of the Jett is better than the Ruby.

[Owlie]

Zoom-zoom, I'm in roughly the same SB range you are (125 (LBS-measured)-130 (me)), and I'm currently on a 143. It works, width-wise, but on a bike that actually fits me properly I'd go with a 155. Maybe. I just took a peek at the Specialized saddles and it does look like the 155s get more pear-shaped. Boo. Is there some unwritten law of saddles that says that it must get more pear-shaped as the width increases? :confused:

[OakLeaf]

Now that you mention it, it kind of makes sense.

I'm not convinced there isn't a lot of optical illusion involved in looking at saddles ... but there has to be something to support the rear of the saddle. If it's a monocoque shell then there's an awful lot of torque on the sides unless the transition is more gradual, to distribute the load. If it's a tensioned leather saddle with a cantle plate, then you have all the weight that entails. :(

[Owlie]

Now that you mention it, it kind of makes sense.

I'm not convinced there isn't a lot of optical illusion involved in looking at saddles ... but there has to be something to support the rear of the saddle. If it's a monocoque shell then there's an awful lot of torque on the sides unless the transition is more gradual, to distribute the load. If it's a tensioned leather saddle with a cantle plate, then you have all the weight that entails. :(

That makes a lot of sense. Curse you, physics! I'll still likely give the 155 Jett/Ruby (I would like a little bit less padding in the nose) a shot on a hypothetical new bike, and perhaps if I can afford it, the Turbomatic. If those don't work, I'm stumped. (Or I could go back to the 143 and hope for the best...)

[nscrbug]

That makes a lot of sense. Curse you, physics! I'll still likely give the 155 Jett/Ruby (I would like a little bit less padding in the nose) a shot on a hypothetical new bike, and perhaps if I can afford it, the Turbomatic. If those don't work, I'm stumped. (Or I could go back to the 143 and hope for the best...)

I ordered my Turbomatic from BikesOnline.com for $107, free shipping. I haven't found it cheaper than that...unless I missed a place. It just shipped out on Friday, so should be here early this week.

Linda

[buffybike]

Considering the above 3 saddles to replace my Jett 143 (which I would move to my cyclocross bike, since I wont be "in the saddle" as much on that frame, anyhow). I notice the Glamour lacks a cut-out...do those who use this saddle miss it? .

I own both saddles, and YES I do miss the cutout on the Aspide. Not a big difference though. I actually prefer the shape and padding of the aspide to the Jett...if they'd just add a comfortable cutout, i would never need another saddle! Are you LISTENING Selle San Marco???

[zoom-zoom]

I just took a peek at the Specialized saddles and it does look like the 155s get more pear-shaped. Boo. Is there some unwritten law of saddles that says that it must get more pear-shaped as the width increases? :confused:

Yeah, in photos the 155 Jett and Ruby both look more pear-shaped, so I think I'm not even going to bother trying the Jett. And today I did a century on the Ruby. My sit bones were perfectly fine for that distance on a relatively hard saddle. So the width is good, the firmness is good...just not the shape (I kept having to push myself back and I have a little chafing/soreness in that telltale spot where the butt-cheeks meet the inner thigh). I think I will be ordering a Turbomatic before bed.

[zoom-zoom]

I own both saddles, and YES I do miss the cutout on the Aspide. Not a big difference though. I actually prefer the shape and padding of the aspide to the Jett...if they'd just add a comfortable cutout, i would never need another saddle! Are you LISTENING Selle San Marco???

Look at this (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=selle+san+marcos+glamour+arrowhead#q=selle+san+marcos+glamour+arrowhead&hl=en&newwindow=1&prmd=ivnsfd&source=lnms&tbm=shop&ei=9j0_To6eGu-CsAKAqfXLBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CAsQ_AUoBA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&fp=52fc4d899f8961fc&biw=1349&bih=924)! :D

[SarahMN]

I have this problem with the Jett as well. I seem to want to move back on the Jett saddle, after 15 miles I am moving around trying to get comfortable mostly back however. I don't have a good idea of where my sit bones should be with this saddle. I get chafing on the back of my leg/butt crease with this saddle R>L. Not as bad as with the SI Lady Gel Flow. Sit bones measure 130mm. SI Turbomatic is in the mail.

[KnottedYet]

I get chafing on the back of my leg/butt crease with this saddle R>L.

Too pear-shaped, too gradual a transition from nose to sits.

Which might be why you are shifting around so much.

(ETA: good lawrd, I do sound pedantic, don't I? But it's true... too gradual and not T-shaped enough for the angle of your hip joints.)

[Owlie]

Maybe I'll have to try that SSM too. How's the shape, relative to the Jett? It's really hard to tell based on the pictures. I'll give the 155 Jett and Ruby a shot, but I'll have to take my old SI into the LBS with me to see if the shapes corresponds to the chunks I wanted to cut out of it.

Zoom, let us know when you get that saddle and how well it works.

[bluebug32]

Too pear-shaped, too gradual a transition from nose to sits.

Which might be why you are shifting around so much.

(ETA: good lawrd, I do sound pedantic, don't I? But it's true... too gradual and not T-shaped enough for the angle of your hip joints.)

Is there anything more T-shaped than my 143 Toupe? It's still assaulting my hip/butt crease

[zoom-zoom]

Is there anything more T-shaped than my 143 Toupe? It's still assaulting my hip/butt crease

The 143 size makes it tricky. I think there are some 130mm t-shaped saddles out there and the 153mm Turbomatic...but in-between...I don't recall seeing much.

What are your sit-bone measurements? Maybe something like the Turbomatic or Glamour (which is 155, IIC) would work for you.

[zoom-zoom]

Yay, I ordered the Turbomatic...looks like there will be a bunch of us trying this in the next week or two! I hope it's THE saddle for us all! I have dreams of putting it on my bike and forgetting I'm even sitting on it. :)

[OakLeaf]

Is there anything more T-shaped than my 143 Toupe? It's still assaulting my hip/butt crease

The Turbomatic might work for you too, depending on what your measurements are. It's very crowned.

[buffybike]

Has anyone riding the Turbomatic had issues with "no cutout". I have a cutout on my Jett which is mostly comfortable, however I still get chafing and am intrigued by the skinny nose of the Turbomatic. Has the absence of a cutout bothered anybody who is used to a cutout?

[zoom-zoom]

Has anyone riding the Turbomatic had issues with "no cutout". I have a cutout on my Jett which is mostly comfortable, however I still get chafing and am intrigued by the skinny nose of the Turbomatic. Has the absence of a cutout bothered anybody who is used to a cutout?

I ordered the Turbomatic Gel Flow, which has a BIG cut-out. Not sure if anyone else here is trying the version sans-cut-out, or not.

[OakLeaf]

Look what you started Oak! :cool:

:D :D

I have the Gel Flow with the cut-out too. It's very generous, bigger than the Jett's and more comfortable to me.

[zoom-zoom]

:D :D

I have the Gel Flow with the cut-out too. It's very generous, bigger than the Jett's and more comfortable to me.

Did you have pinching with the Jett? I would get that with the Jett and the Ruby. I didn't have a whole lot of pressure issues, so the cut-out definitely helped with that, but the pinching...ow! :eek:

[nscrbug]

The Turbomatic might work for you too, depending on what your measurements are. It's very crowned.

Oh no!!! :eek: I'm concerned to hear this. I ordered a Turbomatic Gel Flow and it should be here any day now, but I was under the impression that it was FLAT. To hear that it is very crowned makes me think that it won't be a good saddle for me. :( I guess I'll see when it gets here.

[Owlie]

The Turbomatic might have to be the saddle for the next bike, then. Oak, how wide is the nose, relative to the Jett?

[OakLeaf]

Well I passed my Jett on so I can't look at them side by side, but I would say the Turbomatic is a bit narrower in the nose. The nose is definitely longer.

I didn't get pinching with the Jett, but some pressure and chafing.

[zoom-zoom]

The longer nose makes me happy. I do NOT like how much shorter the nose is on the Ruby, vs. the Jett. I'm definitely a nose-steerer. No way would I put a Ruby on a cyclocross bike.

[OakLeaf]

I'm definitely a nose-steerer.

Oh boy does THAT bring up some mental images! :D :D

I didn't realize the Ruby's nose was shorter than the Jett's. I probably wouldn't have been happy with it, then.

[zoom-zoom]

Ha! I didn't realize it, either...I thought I was imagining it while riding, but DH made mention of it, as well.

[zoom-zoom]

Where is one of those ROTFL emoticons when you need on ;)

Bwahahahaha...he didn't notice it WHILE I was riding, just when he was swapping out the saddles on my bike. There really is a noticeable difference in the noses of those saddles. I never noticed that when comparing photos, for some reason.

[kermit]

Just got my turbomatic today, it looks promising. Will try it out in the next day or two. I like the cutout and it's not that padded. It's got a little curve in the seat hopefully that will work the way the aspide glamour did. Fingers crossed!

[nscrbug]

Bwahahahaha...he didn't notice it WHILE I was riding, just when he was swapping out the saddles on my bike. There really is a noticeable difference in the noses of those saddles. I never noticed that when comparing photos, for some reason.

So what model year Ruby/Jett are we talking about in regards to the shortened nose on the Ruby? I have a Ruby that has that goofy silver plastic tip on it. Never understood the purpose of that, and wish it were not there. Is this the Ruby version that you all are referring to? Or is it a newer version? I do notice that the nose on my Ruby has so very little padding, that it almost hurts to go into the drops for that reason. I'm hoping the Turbomatic Gel Flow will alleviate some of that.

[zoom-zoom]

Oh wait! I got this statement confused with nose-steering...:p

Ha! :p

[zoom-zoom]

So what model year Ruby/Jett are we talking about in regards to the shortened nose on the Ruby? I have a Ruby that has that goofy silver plastic tip on it. Never understood the purpose of that, and wish it were not there. Is this the Ruby version that you all are referring to? Or is it a newer version? I do notice that the nose on my Ruby has so very little padding, that it almost hurts to go into the drops for that reason. I'm hoping the Turbomatic Gel Flow will alleviate some of that.

2010 Jett, 2011 Ruby (without the plastic tabs). Yeah, the Ruby is not as comfy in the drops as the Jett...partly because the nose is firmer, but also because I really notice the inner backs of my thighs whacking the saddle, because it's a little too pear-shaped for me.

[nscrbug]

Well...my Turbomatic arrived today!!! Upon comparing it to the Ruby (155), it does indeed appear to be more T-shaped. I can definitely notice that there is a lot LESS saddle on the Turbo compared to the Ruby, right at the "transition" area. I'm a tad bit concerned that there is less real estate for my butt to sit on, but I haven't even installed it yet so I guess I'll save my official "review" until after I've had a chance to ride on it.

[Kathi]

Just wanted to share this experience I had today on my Ruby. I rode to REI today to do some shopping. It's 32 mi roundtrip to the Denver flagship store from my house. We were on bike trails the entire way, flat terrain with some underpasses. On the way to REI we were averaging 15-16 mph so no problems. On the way back my SO dropped our speed to around 13 mph and all the problems that have been reported here started happening in a big way.

My Ruby has 4,000 miles on it and I have a new one waiting to replace it so I started wondering if it was time, then, I remembered we had this conversation before. My SO is a masher and I'm a spinner. I've never been able to match my spin to his mashing. I was riding behind him and doing a lot of coasting. If I slowed down to let him get ahead he would slow down when I caught him. Besides hurting I was getting frustrated with his inconsistency.

We stopped briefly so I mentioned how uncomfortable I was then took off ahead of him. Wow, what a difference, once I was able to get my spin up to normal everything calmed down. The last 7 miles were heaven.

The point of all this is, at least for me, is the higher I keep my RPM's the happier I am on my Ruby. My theory is that a higher spin lifts me slightly off the saddle so that sensitive areas don't get irritation from the saddle.

[zoom-zoom]

Some pictures of the Turbo would be great. Especially a side-by-side top view of the Turbo and the Ruby.

*thumbs-up*

[ny biker]

Well this shows the Turbomatic, including a top-down view.

http://www.wekeepyoucycling.com/en/p-379-2011-selle-italia-turbomatic-gel-flow-team-saddle.aspx

[SarahMN]

Rode on the SI Turbomatic this evening. Around 25 miles. This is a small saddle. It might be too narrow for my 130mm sit bones. I do love how T-shaped this saddle is. I was using the Specialized Jett before the Turbomatic. As with the Jett I have a hard time finding where my sit bones should be. The Turbomatic is a slippery saddle, initially I was all over the place. The saddle is quite firm. No soft tissue issues though I was very aware of my sit bones after 20 miles or so. I keep thinking I might need a wider saddle that is this T-shaped.

[zoom-zoom]

I keep thinking I might need a wider saddle that is this T-shaped.

Could it be because it's relatively domed? I wonder if the SSM Glamour Arrowhead would work better? It's about the same width, but the photos I've seen have it looking flatter.

Hmmm...I really hope the Turbomatic is wide enough for me. My Jett 143 was too narrow and I also have sit-bones in the 130 range.

[SarahMN]

Could it be because it's relatively domed? I wonder if the SSM Glamour Arrowhead would work better? It's about the same width, but the photos I've seen have it looking flatter.

Hmmm...I really hope the Turbomatic is wide enough for me. My Jett 143 was too narrow and I also have sit-bones in the 130 range.

I will be interested in what you think of the SI Turbomatic. I might look at the SSM glamour Arrowhead, though may go back to the Jett.

[nscrbug]

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I too, think that the Turbo looks small in comparison to the Ruby (155). It might only be 2cm, but still. I haven't ridden it yet (work getting in the way) but plan to give it a good test this weekend. I'm cautiously optimistic...but the sizing does have me a bit concerned. I'm afraid that if this saddle doesn't work for me, I'll have no choice but to stick with the Ruby. The SSM Glamour Arrowhead's cut-out is way too small for me...unless that has changed recently. :confused:

[bluebug32]

Question: If the Toupe is bothering my soft tissue and causing chaffing on the creases of my legs, do you think the Ruby and Jett will too? How similar are these saddles?

[nscrbug]

Question: If the Toupe is bothering my soft tissue and causing chaffing on the creases of my legs, do you think the Ruby and Jett will too? How similar are these saddles?

Well, I can only speak for the Toupe and Ruby, as I have both of those. IMO, they are quite similar...with the Toupe being a smidge firmer with slightly less padding overall. But the general shape is nearly the same, with maybe a slight exception in regards to the cut-out size and placement. FWIW, I have both in the 155 size. The Toupe is on my "backup bike", and I must confess...that of the two saddles, I much prefer the Ruby for the extra bit of padding as I also have gotten tender soft tissue while on the Toupe. However, I haven't really experienced any chaffing issues.

[zoom-zoom]

Yay, my saddle should be here tomorrow! I can't wait to see how it works...I hope it's a good fit. I don't know what my next move would be if it's not.

[roguedog]

zz and all, have been watching this thread for clues and progress since i am also on the hunt for a saddle. it's been fascinating.

prior to watching this thread i was thinking about these 2 saddles which if the turbomatic (does that not make anyone giggle.. sounds like saddle from a bugs bunny or road runner episode) doesn't work maybe you could try?

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/product-components/2011-prologo-nago-evo-dea-ts-women%27s-saddle-9007.3034.0.html

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/product-components/2011-prologo-scratch-pro-dea-ts-women%27s-saddle-9006.3034.0.html

they're sold by competitive cyclist and come with their 60 no questions asked return policy.

only thing is is that they're both only 141 wide i think..

[zoom-zoom]

Yeah, I would LOVE to try a Prologo, but they are all narrow, even the women's. My bike actually came with a Prologo. I gave it to my hubby and it's his favorite saddle ever! He's going to start looking for replacements on eBay, since they are not cheap.

[nscrbug]

My bike came with stock with a Prologo women's saddle too...it's way too narrow, so definitely not for me. If anyone here wants to try it, I'd be happy to get rid of it...as it is just collecting dust in a storage bin. Oh, and it's white...if that matters. I don't actually know the measurements, but I could take some if requested.

Linda

[zoom-zoom]

Linda, any idea which model it is? I may snag it for my hubby if it's the same one he likes.

[zoom-zoom]

Saddle is here...it really does look narrow and is very domed. And FIRM. Hmmm...tonite we'll get out for a 20 miler and I should have a better idea whether or not it will work. It's a very nice saddle. Real leather. Not sure how they measured it, since it's actually wider than 153mm at its widest. But it looks narrower than my Ruby 155.

If it doesn't work I have NO idea what I will end up on (I need to see if that SSM Glamour Arrowhead is less domed, then, I think). Kinda nervous about that ride across the state in 8 days, too. I'd probably ride the Ruby.

[bluebug32]

I think I'll order a Turbomatic to try (this sounds like an infomercial). Any recommendations from where to order it from? I need to be able to return it if it doesn't work, since I'm already stuck having to sell a Specialized Romin and a Fizi:k Aliante.

[zoom-zoom]

I think I'll order a Turbomatic to try (this sounds like an infomercial). Any recommendations from where to order it from? I need to be able to return it if it doesn't work, since I'm already stuck having to sell a Specialized Romin and a Fizi:k Aliante.

I'd recommend holding on for maybe a week. There are 3-4 of us who are JUST trying them this week. You can probably score a bit of a deal from one of us here at TE, assuming that it doesn't work for us all. :) I can generally tell after 10-20 miles if a saddle is going to be a good fit for me, so I may even have one available in a few hours. :p

[bluebug32]

I'd recommend holding on for maybe a week. There are 3-4 of us who are JUST trying them this week. You can probably score a bit of a deal from one of us here at TE, assuming that it doesn't work for us all. :) I can generally tell after 10-20 miles if a saddle is going to be a good fit for me, so I may even have one available in a few hours. :p

Good idea. And I'll certainly pass along the Romin or Aliante if anyone is interested.

[kermit]

Ok, so I just played with the SI turbomatic and wow is it more narrow. I compared it to my vesta and Affinity RXL and it is way smaller. I didn't even mount it. The sloping seat area makes it much to narrow for my 150 seat bones. The cutout is nice and the saddle is not too hard or too soft. It flexes in the middles but the way it slopes is really misleading with the alleged 153. I had ordered mine through Amazon and it came from Niagara cycle for $108. I think thats a decent deal considering the ebay prices. I am sending it back.
Gonna give the vesta a longer go!

[zoom-zoom]

Ok, so I just played with the SI turbomatic and wow is it more narrow. I compared it to my vesta and Affinity RXL and it is way smaller. I didn't even mount it. The sloping seat area makes it much to narrow for my 150 seat bones. The cutout is nice and the saddle is not too hard or too soft. It flexes in the middles but the way it slopes is really misleading with the alleged 153. I had ordered mine through Amazon and it came from Niagara cycle for $108. I think thats a decent deal considering the ebay prices. I am sending it back.
Gonna give the vesta a longer go!

I also ordered mine through Niagara (via Amazon...just <$114 w/shipping) and I am tempted to send it back without even trying it. My sit bones are 130mm, but I have my doubts that it's going to work.

I really wish there were some sort of standardized way of measuring saddles. I'm sort of thinking that the Turbomatic might work better for someone with sit bones in the 120mm or narrower range, just based upon appearance.

I think I will still give it a try. At the very least I will be able to confirm whether or not it's a good fit for someone with my sit-bone width.

[kermit]

I wouldn't give up on it just yet, if you measure 130 it might work for you. I like the looks of it, I just need it BIGGER.

[bluebug32]

I wouldn't give up on it just yet, if you measure 130 it might work for you. I like the looks of it, I just need it BIGGER.

We sound like we're in the same position. What else have you tried? I tried the Vitesse and the sit bone width was perfect. It was the soft tissue that was killing me. Too much pressure on that and not enough on my sit bones (where i would prefer it to be). BTW, I ride a 143 Specialized, but sometimes that feels too narrow.

[zoom-zoom]

Verdict: It is a REALLY nice saddle, and were it not so domed OR if I had sit-bones in the 120mm range I think it would be THE saddle.

I LOVE the shape...it is SO T-shaped. I definitely need that. I love that my inner-thigh/butt-cheek zone wasn't in the least bit rubbed or pressured. That was golden. But I felt like I was straddling the saddle, more than resting on it.

I think for someone who likes the Ruby/Jett 143, but wants something firmer or more T-shaped that this would be the perfect saddle for them. What I need is something as flat as the Specialized saddles, but with the footprint of the Turbomatic. If I could create the custom saddle, that would be it.

So, for anyone who wants it, it's yours for $100.

[bluebug32]

Thinking this may be a little too narrow for me. My sit bones seem to fall between a 143 and 155. Does it place a lot of pressure on the soft tissue? That's always my issue. Have you tried the Fizi:k Vitesse or Arione? If so, how does the width compare (to me, this was a perfect width)?

[zoom-zoom]

I've tried both the Arione Donna and the Vitesse. The Vitesse is probably OK, size-wise, but too squishy. I would have LOVED the Arione Donna, had it been wider. At 147 it was still a hair too narrow and probably not quite T-shaped enough for my weird butt. :p

[nscrbug]

Linda, any idea which model it is? I may snag it for my hubby if it's the same one he likes.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe it is the Prologo Kappa Dea.

[zoom-zoom]

Hmmm...his is the Scratch Pro. Not sure how much difference there is between them. Though my hubby generally seems happy on pretty much any saddle he tries. Wish I were so lucky.

[nscrbug]

Ughhh...well after reading a few of the Turbo test rides, I'm not very optimistic about mine tomorrow. DH mounted the saddle and I will ride it in the morning. Forecast is calling for spotty showers, so we may have a rain-shortened ride...which might not be such a bad thing if this saddle starts causing problems for me. I will post my thoughts after I return from my ride.

Linda

[roguedog]

nscrbug - you got a pic of the prologo? might be interested in giving it a go.

[nscrbug]

nscrbug - you got a pic of the prologo? might be interested in giving it a go.

I can snap a few after I get back from riding this morning.

[nscrbug]

@roguedog....I apologize for not getting pics of my Prologo saddle up for you yet. My camera hasn't been used in quite some time, so of course, when I went to turn it on...dead batteries! I'm charging it up overnight and will take some pics and post tomorrow.

[nscrbug]

Well...after riding 86 miles on my new SI Turbomatic Gel Flow this morning, my first impression is right on par with zoom-zoom. I absolutely LOVE the shape of this saddle. I felt total freedom of movement with my legs...no rubbing, no chafing, no interference from the saddle at all. But unfortunately, THAT was where the happiness ended. The saddle felt very firm, even more so than my Ruby...which is pretty minimal in and of itself. It also feels a smidge too narrow...which I expected, given the narrower dimensions. Could also be due to the domed surface...it just feels like there is less real estate for my sit bones to rest on. I guess I was hoping that my butt wouldn't notice the 2mm difference, but sadly, that was not the case. I also felt some pressure "up front" on my soft tissue...something I wasn't expecting given the very generous cut-out. Not really sure why I felt soft tissue pressure...perhaps because of the narrowness I may have been positioning myself on it in such a way that created pressure in that area. At any rate, the saddle is no longer on my bike...BUT did find its way onto DH's bike. :rolleyes: He figures he'll give it a try and see if it works for him if it will save me the hassle of sending it back.

So...it's back to my Ruby, once again. I am now thinking about trying the "newer" style of Ruby. I have an older one...with that goofy plastic silver tab on the tip of the nose. I see that the newer ones did away with that. Can anyone comment on any other differences there may be between the older vs. newer Ruby?

Linda

[SarahMN]

Selle San Marco - Aspide Glamour K Arrowhead Gelaround. what are everyone's thoughts on this saddle?? I liked the SI Turbomatic but I need a wider T-shaped saddle for 130 mm sit bones.

[zoom-zoom]

Selle San Marco - Aspide Glamour K Arrowhead Gelaround. what are everyone's thoughts on this saddle?? I liked the SI Turbomatic but I need a wider T-shaped saddle for 130 mm sit bones.

I just ordered a Glamour Arrowhead (not the Gelaround). I will hopefully be able to get a ride or two in before next weekend. I'd REALLY love to have a better option than my Ruby for my ride across the state in a week.

[nscrbug]

I just ordered a Glamour Arrowhead (not the Gelaround). I will hopefully be able to get a ride or two in before next weekend. I'd REALLY love to have a better option than my Ruby for my ride across the state in a week.

Where did you order the Glamour from? And what is the difference between the Arrowhead and Gelaround? Actually, I've never even seen the Gelaround...is it new?

[kermit]

Hey nscrbug, there is a difference between the old ruby and the new ruby. The plastic tabs are gone and there is a little more gel padding. I just didn't enjoy the wide nose in the 155 that caused chafing. I have also tried the glamour aspide K arrowhead and it is really comfy in the seat with that nice hammock effect. I did ride one for a while and it is a nice saddle.

[roguedog]

@nscrbug - no worries. Just being vain since I saw pix of a white one w/ aqua coloring and it wouldn't look nice on the red bike :/. I suppose i ought to be practical too and ask for measurements which are the more important data.

@Sarah - "Selle San Marco - Aspide Glamour K Arrowhead Gelaround" :eek::eek: Heck.. what is it? ROYALTY? Sheesh.. That rolls off the tongue. I couldn't find pix of this either.

I've always thought we ought to have a forum saddle trade program instead of all of us constantly buying saddles all the time. But I suppose in threads like this it's sorta becoming one organically.

[redrhodie]

Have you guys tried Selle An Atomica? I've been using them for years on all my bikes. The cons are they're heavy, and can stretch, especially in hot and humid. That said, I've had one of mine since 2007, and I'm guessing it has upwards of 8,000 miles on it. It's comfy, so I don't mind the weight. I think my sitbones are around 145mm c-c.

[zoom-zoom]

Where did you order the Glamour from? And what is the difference between the Arrowhead and Gelaround? Actually, I've never even seen the Gelaround...is it new?

I found the Glamour Arrowhead on eBay, actually (for <$100). I really wanted white, since I'll be doing a century in Death Valley in Oct. and my hubby warned me that in just minutes off of the bike a black saddle will become VERY hot. That knowledge factored in my decision to get white road shoes, as well--last month when we were in the 90s my feet in black shoes felt like they were being baked.

I think the Gelaround is discontinued, but not sure...I think maybe it's more cushioned...?

[zoom-zoom]

I found some photos of the Aspide Glamour (non-arrowhead) that show the shape in profile well...I have high hopes. Doesn't look very domed at all (at least far less so than the Turbomatic):
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2714/4304628035_846bd39d78_z.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4305370574_8a611e9085_z.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4304626197_0d55458abc_z.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2801/4305368444_6f975ed401_z.jpg

[Becky]

Kirsten, the Glamour Aspide is exceedingly flat. I can't speak for the Arrowhead versions though... I loved its flatness, just not its super firmness. My Selle Italia SLR Lady Gel Flow is nearly as flat, almost the same shape, but just a tad more padded.

I'll try to get a picture of them side-by-side up...

[zoom-zoom]

I'm hoping the firmness doesn't bother me...or that I will adapt. I did 100 miles on the Ruby with 0 sit-bone discomfort, and that's quite a bit firmer than the Jett. I didn't really notice much difference in feel. I probably have enough padding of my own to overcome a harder saddle. :p

[Becky]

Sounds like the Glamour Aspide might be the perfect saddle then! I've got my fingers crossed for luck for you :)

[zoom-zoom]

I have my toes crossed, too! :D

[buffybike]

Just switched my Jett to the Aspide Glamour and am looking forward to riding on it tomorrow. The Jett has been causing me to get saddle sores on my right thigh/inner buttock area. i'd happily trade less padding for less saddle sores!

[nscrbug]

Well, interestingly enough...my DH put the SI Turbomatic Gel Flow on HIS bike last night and today we did a 102 mile ride. His verdict - he likes it! Imagine that?!? I figured it to be too wide for him, since he was coming off of riding on a Specialized Toupe 143 since last year. Anyways...he commented on how much more "narrow" it felt where his inner thighs meet the saddle (gee...sound familiar? I think we all agreed on how T-shaped this saddle is). I told him since he likes it so much, he just inherited it. :D Now I don't have to hassle with sending it back. Good for me. :cool:

Linda

[zoom-zoom]

My hubby sat on it while it was on my bike...he didn't really like the overall shape of it. He tends to like flatter saddles, too. He doesn't like a super firm saddle, either. The Turbomatic is pretty firm. It doesn't look it, but it's definitely firmer than the Ruby.

[bluebug32]

Just switched my Jett to the Aspide Glamour and am looking forward to riding on it tomorrow. The Jett has been causing me to get saddle sores on my right thigh/inner buttock area. i'd happily trade less padding for less saddle sores!

Curious....what size Jett are you riding? Curious to see how it will compare to the Aspide.

[OakLeaf]

Y'know, I noticed how firm the Turbomatic was when I first sat on it, coming from a Jett, for sure. But there really wasn't an adjustment or break-in period at all. My first ride on it was 56 miles and I had no sitbone soreness. I haven't done a long ride on it yet (how this summer's gone for me :() but I've got enough miles on it that I'm sure when I do it won't be an issue.

[zoom-zoom]

Yeah, I had that same experience going from Jett to Ruby. Even after a century my sit bones didn't bother me.

[SarahMN]

zoom-zoom, why switch from the Jett or the Ruby? I am curious. I have been using the Jett 155 but it is almost too soft, I think. A bit of soft tissue "burn" at the end of a ride. No chafing but I don't think my sit bones are supported well enough.

[zoom-zoom]

zoom-zoom, why switch from the Jett or the Ruby? I am curious. I have been using the Jett 155 but it is almost too soft, I think. A bit of soft tissue "burn" at the end of a ride. No chafing but I don't think my sit bones are supported well enough.

The Ruby/Jett 155 is wide enough, but not T-shaped enough...it rubs my inner-thigh/cheek zone and pushes me too far forward on the saddle.

[SarahMN]

I think that may be my problem as well with the Jett 155. I wait to hear your review of the SSM Aspide.

[OakLeaf]

Too wedge-shaped was my issue with the Jett too, also the cut-out was the wrong shape for me.

[bluebug32]

Y'know, I noticed how firm the Turbomatic was when I first sat on it, coming from a Jett, for sure. But there really wasn't an adjustment or break-in period at all. My first ride on it was 56 miles and I had no sitbone soreness. I haven't done a long ride on it yet (how this summer's gone for me :() but I've got enough miles on it that I'm sure when I do it won't be an issue.

What size Jett were you riding?

How wide is the Turbomatic? Not their measurements, but the actual surface area measurement? Trying to see if this is wide enough for me, since I'm on a 143 now.

[SarahMN]

SI Turbomatic is very domed. 153mm width. I think it seems more narrow due to being very domed. Way too narrow for my 130mm sit bones.

[zoom-zoom]

SI Turbomatic is very domed. 153mm width. I think it seems more narrow due to being very domed. Way too narrow for my 130mm sit bones.

Yeah, I'd say it feels almost narrower than the 143 Jett. I think if someone had 120mm sit bones or narrower that it might be a good fit. I rode it again tonite with my tri shorts...that was especially uncomfortable. :eek:

[SarahMN]

My girlfriend who has sit bones approx. 110mm thinks the SSM Turbomatica is the bomb.

[zoom-zoom]

My girlfriend who has sit bones approx. 110mm thinks the SSM Turbomatica is the bomb.

I'd totally believe it! I wish my sit bones were narrower. It really is a nice saddle. I have high hopes for the SSM Glamour Arrowhead, since they are so similar in footprint, but the Glamour isn't domed.

[OakLeaf]

I had a 155 Jett. I'd demoed a 143 and it really did not work for me. The 155 Jett was close - I put almost 4500 miles on it - but the TGF is better.

My old 155 Lithia is on my commuter and does just fine in the more upright position. I'm between 125 and 130 and the TGF is great, but I can tell if it were even a little narrower, it would be a problem.

[nscrbug]

My DH is on his 3rd day of riding the SI Turbomatic Gel Flow, and he is liking it more and more each ride. I can't even hazard a guess as to how wide his sit bones are...but prior to the Turbo, he was riding a 143 Toupe, and prior to that he was on a cheap Performance 130mm saddle. So apparently, he is one of those odd specimens that can ride ANY width saddle and be totally fine.

[zoom-zoom]

My DH is on his 3rd day of riding the SI Turbomatic Gel Flow, and he is liking it more and more each ride. I can't even hazard a guess as to how wide his sit bones are...but prior to the Turbo, he was riding a 143 Toupe, and prior to that he was on a cheap Performance 130mm saddle. So apparently, he is one of those odd specimens that can ride ANY width saddle and be totally fine.

Hmmm...that leads me to suspect that his sit bones must be 120 or less. Which makes my theory hold water--I think if I had narrower sit bones that the Turbomatic would have been perfect. I'm jealous of your hubby!

[Owlie]

I wish my sitbones were 5-10mm narrower. It would make life so much easier.

I'm on a Jett 143. I could use a little more space for my sitbones, but I'm getting spots on the backs of my thighs that could easily turn into chafing on longer rides (though I was sort-of okay for 44 without having shaved). Width-wise, the 155 Spec saddles may be better, but I don't think my thighs would be happy about that. Hm.

[bluebug32]

Since the Turbomatic is so domed, does it place a lot of pressure on the soft tissue?

[zoom-zoom]

Since the Turbomatic is so domed, does it place a lot of pressure on the soft tissue?

Yeah, that's the issue I have with it. It's very odd, since my thighs get a break from rubbing against the transition area from nose-to-rear, but my crotch ends up pretty annoyed.

[nscrbug]

Since the Turbomatic is so domed, does it place a lot of pressure on the soft tissue?

Yup, I think that was my issue with it as well. It felt great to have the freedom of movement with my legs, but my girly parts were definitely NOT happy on this saddle...which surprised me due to the generous cut-out. But my hubby is finding happiness riding it now, so it all worked out for us.

[bluebug32]

Yeah, that's the issue I have with it. It's very odd, since my thighs get a break from rubbing against the transition area from nose-to-rear, but my crotch ends up pretty annoyed.

Ahh, the same issue I had with the Specialized Romin and the Fizik Aliante. I'm back on my Toupe, but it's still a little too hard and my thighs are rubbing the edges a bit. Anyone have any suggestions for what saddle to try next?

[OakLeaf]

Since the Turbomatic is so domed, does it place a lot of pressure on the soft tissue?

I have the opposite experience. My sit-bones perch on top of the domes and the rest of the saddle slopes away from me. Big happy. :)

[zoom-zoom]

My SSM Glamour Arrowhead is here! Can't wait to test it tomorrow. I have high hopes! It seems to have the best qualities of the Turbomatic and Ruby. My only concern might be the relatively small/narrow cut-out, but that may not be an issue at all. Because I've never had a saddle really fit me well through the sit-bones AND thighs I've always ended up having issues with not being centered properly over cut-outs. So I may find that I don't really need an overly generous cut-out.

[bluebug32]

My SSM Glamour Arrowhead is here! Can't wait to test it tomorrow. I have high hopes! It seems to have the best qualities of the Turbomatic and Ruby. My only concern might be the relatively small/narrow cut-out, but that may not be an issue at all. Because I've never had a saddle really fit me well through the sit-bones AND thighs I've always ended up having issues with not being centered properly over cut-outs. So I may find that I don't really need an overly generous cut-out.

Good luck! Look forward to your report.

[Owlie]

My SSM Glamour Arrowhead is here! Can't wait to test it tomorrow. I have high hopes! It seems to have the best qualities of the Turbomatic and Ruby. My only concern might be the relatively small/narrow cut-out, but that may not be an issue at all. Because I've never had a saddle really fit me well through the sit-bones AND thighs I've always ended up having issues with not being centered properly over cut-outs. So I may find that I don't really need an overly generous cut-out.

Do tell!

[nscrbug]

Anxiously awaiting your thoughts on the Aspide Arrowhead.

[zoom-zoom]

I really can't wait until tomorrow night's ride. I just hope that all this anticipation doesn't turn to let-down. I don't even have another saddle in line that I'd want to try.

[kermit]

I hope it works for you, I rode one for a long time and I love the flexibility of it.
It makes up for the smaller size cutout.

[nscrbug]

Has anyone ever heard of or seen the San Marco Ischia Glamour Arrowhead? I was doing some research on bikes (might be in the market for a new one soon), and found that this particular saddle is used as the stock saddle on the BH Cristal and the Jamis Xenith Elite Femme. Anyone have any experience with it? I tried looking it up online, and found very little info/pics on it. Apparently, much like the Aspide...there are various versions of it - the Glamour, and the Glamour Arrowhead. From what I was able to dig up, the Glamour does not have a cutout and is 155mm, and the Arrowhead does have a cutout, but is only 140mm. If anyone else can find some better specs on it, please let me know.

Linda

[zoom-zoom]

I hope it works for you, I rode one for a long time and I love the flexibility of it.
It makes up for the smaller size cutout.

It's interesting how flexible it is. I really noticed that when comparing it to the Ruby. The ruby has some flex, but the Glamour is MUCH more flexible. I'll be interested to see how that feels.

[bluebug32]

I was talking to my Specialized dealer today because they have been helping me with my saddle issues. I mentioned how I used to love my Toupe, but how uncomfortable it's been lately. Apparently, these saddles are meant to be replaced every year or so because they will literally start to buckle inward. Interesting thought. Maybe all I need is a new Toupe! Will give their demo a try after my century Sat.

[nscrbug]

I was talking to my Specialized dealer today because they have been helping me with my saddle issues. I mentioned how I used to love my Toupe, but how uncomfortable it's been lately. Apparently, these saddles are meant to be replaced every year or so because they will literally start to buckle inward. Interesting thought. Maybe all I need is a new Toupe! Will give their demo a try after my century Sat.

Huh...now that is interesting. I would have never thought to replace my Ruby after just 1 year, though. That could get expensive...especially at over $100 a pop. Now I wonder what my Specialized dealer would say if I inquired about that. I'll have to make a point to stop there this weekend and bring that up.

[zoom-zoom]

Rode 27 miles on my Glamour Arrowhead and really think I may have finally won the saddle lottery...ding ding ding! I did have some up-front pressure issues, but I am pretty sure it has more to do with having it a hair too high in the front (I was suspicious that it might be before even riding it, but it's really hard to level these "hammocked" saddles). Other than that I was very happy...sit bones were good, I never felt like I had to push myself back, inner thighs were good (though not as good as on the Turbomatic...if that thing were less domed and/or wider it would be the PERFECT saddle).

Hubby angled the nose up just a hair and moved it forward on the rails about a quarter inch (I always know my saddles are back a hair too much when the insides of my legs brush the tops of my water bottles). I'll do a short ride tomorrow night just to make sure that everything is dialed-in right before my big ride across the state on Sat. :)

[Becky]

Yay!

How's the firmness of the GA Arrowhead compared to the Ruby? I really did love my GA for shorter rides. Maybe the Arrowhead is worth a look, if my sit bones can handle it...

[zoom-zoom]

Oops, again I posted after my bedtime and made no sense. :o Hubby tilted my nose DOWN a bit, not up. :p

[zoom-zoom]

Yay!

How's the firmness of the GA Arrowhead compared to the Ruby? I really did love my GA for shorter rides. Maybe the Arrowhead is worth a look, if my sit bones can handle it...

It's firmer than the ruby. But, really, even though the Ruby is firmer than the Jett I didn't notice a huge difference while riding, even as far as a century. I think maybe because my Jett was too narrow and I was out on the firmer edges, anyhow.

[redrhodie]

If it is THE one, I think there ought to be some kind of ceremony to celebrate. I want to see pictures of you and your beloved. Mazel tov!

[zoom-zoom]

That's a great idea! I will have to get DH to get a photo of me "hugging" my saddle. :D

[Owlie]

Yay!

[zoom-zoom]

Rode a few miles tonite, with stops back home to have DH tweak things. I think last night that my saddle was about a quarter-inch too high. Lowering it made a difference, as did moving it a hair forward and tilting the nose down a skoosh. Tomorrow will be the true test. I'm kinda nervous, but I think the initial feel of this saddle is the best I've tried. I love the way it gives when I hit bumps and I don't feel like I'm being forced forward or mashing my inner thighs and backs of my cheeks into the transition area.

It is firm, though. I have a feeling that those last 50 miles of my ride across the state are gonna be noticeably sore. I can HTFU and deal with it, though. :D

[nscrbug]

Rode a few miles tonite, with stops back home to have DH tweak things. I think last night that my saddle was about a quarter-inch too high. Lowering it made a difference, as did moving it a hair forward and tilting the nose down a skoosh. Tomorrow will be the true test. I'm kinda nervous, but I think the initial feel of this saddle is the best I've tried. I love the way it gives when I hit bumps and I don't feel like I'm being forced forward or mashing my inner thighs and backs of my cheeks into the transition area.

It is firm, though. I have a feeling that those last 50 miles of my ride across the state are gonna be noticeably sore. I can HTFU and deal with it, though. :D

Kirsten...have you had an opportunity to ride in the drops on the Arrowhead? With it being so firm, did you feel any pressure on the girly parts while in the drops? That is usually one of my problem areas...especially on my Ruby. I have a Ruby with that stupid silver plastic tip at the nose, and as you know, there isn't much padding on the nose of the Ruby to begin with...so when I get in my drops it's "ouch" city for me. Literally feels like my bits are being smooshed...I can only stay in the drops for about a minute or so.

[zoom-zoom]

I really haven't. I rode in the drops a bit last night, but the saddle was too high, too far back, and too nosed-up, so the little I did wasn't as comfy as I expect it to be, now.

[zoom-zoom]

So I completed my ride across MI (http://www.zoomylicious.com/2011/08/coffee-cannot-lift-this-fog.html), yesterday...and the verdict is, I think the SSM Aspide Glamour Arrowhead and I are at the start of a long-term relationship. :cool:

I had issues in the first 80+ miles of the ride that I started suspecting were a shorts issue, not a saddle issue. Fortunately my DH was driving support and had a spare pair of shorts in the car for me. Rest of the ride was MUCH better and by the end I was very happy on my saddle (I mean, as happy as a person could be after 147 miles, after chafing for 80 of them).

No numbness, no feeling like I had to constantly push myself back, un-emcumbered thigh movement. Just great!

[Owlie]

Awesome! And looking at the pictures of the saddle (I know it's not the same one, but it's close), it might just work...

...on the next bike.

[bluebug32]

Nice! I think we need a pic. of you perched atop the Arrowhead, popping a bottle of champagne! Congrats on finding "the one." May you have a long and happy ride together :p

[zoom-zoom]

No champagne, but I did have a beer just minutes after this was taken:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/312664_2332437234681_1362296891_2748040_764109_n.jpg

[kermit]

Sweet!!!!!

[Owlie]

No champagne, but I did have a beer just minutes after this was taken:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/312664_2332437234681_1362296891_2748040_764109_n.jpg

Zoom-zoom, I just thought I'd mention that I have that same jersey. :)

[nscrbug]

zoom-zoom....Great pic and congrats on finally finding "the one". :D

[zoom-zoom]

Zoom-zoom, I just thought I'd mention that I have that same jersey. :)

Cool! I got it from Primal Wear's outlet. It's one of my very favorite jerseys. I picked that one because it has the largest/deepest pockets of any of my jerseys. And it's so comfy. It was a good pick, yesterday, since it's also very visible on a dreary day.

[buffybike]

Curious....what size Jett are you riding? Curious to see how it will compare to the Aspide.

The 155. I tried the mid-sie (143?) and it was a little too narrow for my sitbones. I loved the shape of the Aspide, but I need a cutout for comfort. I'm about to purchase an Aspide Glamour Arrowhead. Hopefully, it will be "the one" for me as I'm really sick of saddle shopping (this will be my 5th or 6th saddle).

[zoom-zoom]

Ahh...I just answered my question to your post.

*fingers-crossed* that the arrowhead version works for you!

[bluebug32]

Good luck! Keep us posted.

[SarahMN]

repost:
I am having trouble finding a T-shaped saddle for my 130mm sit bones. The SI Turbomatica was T-shaped enough though too narrow for me. The SSM Aspide Glamour Arrowhead on the first ride was T-shaped enough though I had quite a bit of pressure up front. On the second ride I brought the nose down a bit and up front felt better though on the right side where my butt and leg meet, that crease, the edge of the saddle has rubbed quite a bit. The second ride was longer though I could tell there was a problem 15 miles into the ride. I am puzzled that bringing the nose down just a few degrees would cause such a difference with the comfort at the back of my leg. I am considering either bringing the nose up a bit or moving the saddle back just a bit. Any ideas would be appreciated.

[zoom-zoom]

Hmmm...that is weird. I would definitely keep playing with position, some. Also, is it possible your leg is hitting the seat-post clamp? Mine does on my cyclocross bike with this saddle (all saddles, really, but especially this one).

[kermit]

I am having great success with the arrowhead K and actually had the nose a little up past level. It is working out well, take a tool with you and play.

[Norse]

Sarah: If you're in the Twin Cities area I suggest that you might want to try getting a basic bike fit at Erik's. It is well worth the price. As far as T-shaped saddles, I have had success with the Specialized Jett previously and now the Ruby. Good luck!