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jamijo
07-23-2010, 06:46 PM
-- at least that's the plan. :D

I'm a returning cyclist... had at MTB when I was in high school and college that I rode all over the place with my then-bf. The bike was stolen one summer, and couldn't afford to replace it, so other than a brief trip around the outside of Mackinac Island on a rental hybrid (single speed), I've been going without for the past decade-plus. Started to work on some weight loss about 2 months ago, was looking through some motivational pages, and came across someone's bike touring journal from a trip around Lake Michigan -- and for the past two weeks, all I've been able to think and talk about is getting back in the saddle, getting back into condition, and doing it myself (DH is NOT amused at this sudden pit-bull-like fascination/obsession I have with getting back into cycling!).

Of course, I'm running into some obstacles along the way already... but maybe some of you have suggestions?

1. I don't have a bike yet. And heading into my last year of (my second attempt at) my music education degree, fundage for obtaining a bike is... well... limited. This is looking like a 2010 tax refund purchase so far, and I'll probably have about $650-$700 to play with for the bike and most of the gear (mostly pedals & saddle is what I'm concerned about at this point, I'm getting shoes & cleats for my birthday so that I can use them in spinning classes - but more on that in a moment). I'm looking at the wait as a good way to take my time and make sure I'm getting the *right* bike for what I want to do, at least until I can afford to upgrade. I'm in the Pittsburgh area, and we do have lots of great bikes listed on Craigslist, but most of them are for medium to large size frames (I'm probably going to pick one up for my husband if he decides he wants to try this with me). I'm short (5 foot 2), with short arms, and even shorter legs for my height. I checked out the bike calculator on competitivecyclist.com, and got an inseam measurement of just shy of 26". Right now, I'm liking the Trek 1.1 -- the LBS said he'd give me a price that's actually almost $100 under MSRP on it, and put it in writing (I will probably buy through him even if I find something other than the Trek, I liked his shop and his attitude and helpfulness a lot - unfortunately I think I still am not quite sure what the right questions to ask him are to help him help me find what I need). I have *not* sat on or test ridden the bike yet, as I'm trying to find out what else might be out there in the same general price range, frame size and feature category... and being new to road-style bikes, I have very little idea what brands / bikes to look at for reasonable comparisons. I would love to be able to afford a Terry or a Luna, but that's probably not happening until student loans are paid off. Can anyone recommend any entry-level-priced road-style bikes that have extra-small frames? Even in the Trek 1-series, it looks like I would have to get a 47cm instead of the 43cm frame that would probably be a best fit (the website geometry/spec sheet has info on the 43, but they don't include it in the size listing. I've looked through the archives here as well as websites for Kona, Giant, Bianchi, Raleigh, Cannondale, Schwinn, Trek, Surly... (and drooled through the Terry & Luna sites). There were a few bikes that hit under my price-point, but none of them had the features that the 1.1 has combined with the small frame. FWIW, I'm probably going to save my pennies to get a smaller chainring added at some point after I actually get the bike (if this is the one I end up getting and if it's possible), if that matters. It might not.

Corollary #1 -- on the competitivecyclist.com fit recommendations, they mention a French fit / riding position, which I've not seen anywhere else in my obsessive reading. It seems to be a more touring-friendly fit & position than the competitive fits listed, and I was wondering if anyone here knew more about it?

Corollary #2 -- if a bike *doesn't* have braze-ons for a front rack, is it possible and how hard is it to add a rack? I didn't think to ask LBS-guy yesterday while I was there :o :rolleyes: And if a bike only has rear panniers, how hard is it to keep the load balanced and non-hindering during a tour (assuming the panniers aren't overloaded and are side-to-side balanced, of course).

2. Conditioning from nothing to being road ready: I have a plan. As I mentioned, I'm working on losing some significant amounts of weight (100+ lbs), and honestly I'm not as pounds-lost focused as I am increasing overall fitness. I know cycling is a great cardio exercise, and I want to be ready to put in some riding hours right away when I do get my bike, so I'm planning on spending some time in the cardio studio at the rec center on campus with my butt on an exercise bike. I'm also signed up for a spinning class (6:15 am, starting a week from tomorrow, at the YMCA half-hour away from both school and home) which I hope to continue throughout the fall semester. However. Starting in January, I'll be student teaching and not certain how much exercise bike time I'll be able to get as I'll probably be student teaching an hour in the opposite direction of the Y and the school rec center. Not exactly conducive to doing classes or doing exercise bike riding other than on the weekends. Is working on bike conditioning during the fall going to carry over through spring if I continue to work on general conditioning (I'll have treadmill and elliptical access through the fitness room at our apartment complex, thankfully)? I hope it will, but, I'm a little concerned.

I'm planning my big trip for the end of June, 2012 (hoping to beat out the 4th-through-Labor Day tourist seasin in the lake country and take advantage of marginally cooler temps of late spring / early summer). My hope is to get the bike next spring and be doing day-long loops out in the boonies around here (yay, built-in hill training!) by July, and then do at least an overnight trip before the end of summer. If everything goes swimmingly, I'm going to apply for the DALMAC tour (www.dalmac.org) for Labor Day 2011. I'm also planning to get a trainer for fall-winter 2011-2012, so that I can continue to condition and work with my rig during the non-riding months and be able to do some long training rides shortly after the weather turns. Spinning classes will be continued as they fit into my schedule and budget allows.

For those of you who have toured before (especially those previously highly sedentary), does this time-frame and training/conditioning plan sound like it'll be enough preparation for a 950-mile trip? I know that the plan is only as good as how well I execute and stay consistent with it, but this seems doable from my perspective at the moment. We'll see how that first spinning class goes next week :)


And I've probably made this post way longer than it needs to be, so thanks to anyone who has made it this far ;)

Zen
07-23-2010, 06:57 PM
Are you familiar with Adventure Cycling Association (http://www.adventurecycling.org/) ?

shootingstar
07-23-2010, 07:53 PM
Ok, please don't collapse from verbal diarehea. :p

Get your bike first. Make sure it fits, ride it lots around town with back rack on. Fall in love with cycling outdoors this summer and fall, if you can. Do you lack time to cycle outdoors during these fine weather seasons?

And build in cycling into your lifestyle regularily..and permanently if you love it enough.

Start to go grocery shopping and work commuting regularily. That's how you learn to ride long and regularily with ....real weight. And include a hill or 2 in those sorts of loaded pannier rides, several times per week.

I did my lst 500 km. self loaded bike touring ride in Vermont about 4 months after returning to cycling at 31. When I hadn't cycled for 12 years before. I had to buy a bike.

It was abit of a killer but ok... Good thing I was bike commuting to work and shopping regularily before that trip with weight in panniers.

I have cycled with just 2 loaded back panniers, plus sleeping bag onto of back bike rack. and handlebar bag. It was fine.

I was approx. 95 lbs. in weight back then. I'm just a few lbs. more 18 yrs. later.

Yes, perhaps front pannier rack would be useful to be more balanced. Then buy a bike that will allow front rack installation later on after you get used to bike.

I didn't plan at all like you in terms of preparing for touring. It was just allowing myself to fall deeply in love with cycling and taking longer and longer rides every single summer weekend in home area. Plus riding with panniers loaded with groceries every week. I lived in the suburbs and did a 30 kms. trip from downtown at the market.

I stress riding outdoors so that you learn to ride well when it rains/windy with heavy weight also.

jamijo
07-23-2010, 07:59 PM
Are you familiar with Adventure Cycling Association (http://www.adventurecycling.org/) ?

Yep -- came across their website a few times while deep in the throes of bliss about this new idea. :)

marni
07-23-2010, 08:02 PM
You and I must be twins since I went through almost exactly the same thing- weight loss, limited funds, time and wanting to do some serious cross country.The second summer, after about a year of weight loss and some resonably serious training, I did a 600 mile group ride with woman tours with my sister- I rode a heavy hybrid and at the end of the two weeks I was wishing I had signed on for the enitre tour (meandering Missippii from NewOrleans to Lake Itasca MN along the Mississippi river)instead of just the first third.

The next summer I rode from Mobile AL to Niagara Falls on the Canadian side, also with woman tours, following one of the underground rail road routes.

Last summer I rode the Southern Tier from San Diego CA to At Augustine FL, again with woman tours.

The best training I did for myself was to develop a moderate pace of 15 mph that I could keep at for at least 6 hours, yes with brief breaks, but at least 6 hours TITS time (time in the saddle)- this usually worked out to almost a century, so I ended up the last few weeks before any long ride, devoting one day a week to a long 6 hour ride- the rest of the week I would do shorter,fasterr rides of 20 miiles or so.

It's more about consistency of training and getting comfortable with endurance type riding. On almost any long ride you do will have support in the form of a sag vehicle every 20-30 miles which will give you a chance to step down briefly- and that's a key word- and or an additional longer break for lunch. You will also undoutedly have the advantage of having a full day from butt crack of dawn until too dark to ride to cover whatever mileage the day requires and it will be a rare day that has so much mileage that you will feel pressured or pushed.

WT are my favorite tour company because of their experience, their tour guides and support vehicle drivers,their chefs/guides/mechanics and support (all female) on their cross country and long tours, and the all around excellent preparations, support, and conviviality of everyone who works with or for them. Most of all, the cameraderie that you develop riding with a group of like minded women in amazing. It's like mommy camp.

just my two cents worth.

jamijo
07-23-2010, 08:20 PM
Ok, please don't collapse from verbal diarehea. :p

Get your bike first. Make sure it fits, ride it lots around town with back rack on. Fall in love with cycling outdoors this summer and fall, if you can. Do you lack time to cycle outdoors during these fine weather seasons?

And build in cycling into your lifestyle regularily..and permanently if you love it enough.

Start to go grocery shopping and work commuting regularily. That's how you learn to ride long and regularily with ....real weight. And include a hill or 2 in those sorts of loaded pannier rides, several times per week.


Unfortunately, the money to get the better quality bike in the size I need just isn't in my account right now, and I don't want to go into more debt to do this -- otherwise I would be writing less and riding more ;) On top of that, while I would love to commute to and from school, it would be a 3+ hour ride each way (not great for those 8 am classes) AND I have to frequently haul a violin, viola, and sometimes a few flutes. Weight-wise, I'm sure they'd be fine, but they're not exactly conveniently sized to pack in panniers. I'm planning on doing as many errands and trips as possible by bike next summer to make up for missing out on these kinds of opportunities now. Our suburb isn't exactly bike-friendly, but I can always haul out to a trail or into Pittsburgh proper for better riding if I get bored of the subdivisions, strip malls, parks and boonies that I have safe access to.

You've got a great point about learning to ride in all kinds of weather, though... guess I won't be able to be picky about weather on days that I plan to ride next summer, huh. :D

Speaking of riding with weight... do you think it's better to have actual gear in panniers on training rides, or just approximate gear by weight (like adding rocks or canned goods or whatever else is laying around to make an appropriate weight)?

shootingstar
07-23-2010, 08:26 PM
I've never been on a paid organized multi-day, multi-week group bike ride.

Instead only 1 group ride with 10 family members and friends ..300 kms.

All other weight loaded touring rides ranging from 300 kms. to 1,200 kms. have been with my partner, who is a touring, long-distance rider, cycling advocate, etc. He leads , I follow along carrying my own weight on the bike. :) Southern Ontario, Quebec, Maritime Provinces and here in Northwest Pacific Region. We did some loaded touring rides in Europe recently last month.

He makes up the routes by connecting bike routes, roads, etc. He has a serious collection of bike maps...internationally by now.

For time being just ride happily and far with food for energy for 4-6 hrs. with rest stops per day at least 1-2 times per wk.

Keep a cumulative log of your riding mileage. That was a real motivator for me during the first few years of returning to cycling.

Note: Several of my jobs, I had to start work at 8 am. I wanted to start early and end the work day early. So it meant I was cycling to work starting at 6:00 am to give myself time change at work, have a coffee/snack before work.

SaNdEe
07-24-2010, 01:17 PM
A storm is rolling in, so I may get cut off -

You are awesome - planning and dreaming!
I've spoken with road riders at work but other than riding my old mountain bike (a Schwinn Mesa GSX) on the road with my DH (well, OK off-road also), I haven't gotten as far as planning a road bike purchase/ride. There are groups that ride every afternoon here in hot humid dangerous Central FL - but I'm super intimidated. I haven't been on a road bike in over 12 years. I'm not a yuppie. I'm afraid of getting hit by the mirror of a big truck. :rolleyes: Excuses, I know . . .

I'm also returning to riding after a long break. I look forward to reading about your adventures!

Keep looking, there are so many used bikes for sale and sometimes just as you've about given up - something perfect appears.

Zen
07-24-2010, 01:37 PM
Another good site is CycloCamping (http://www.cyclocamping.com/)

tiva
07-24-2010, 02:08 PM
Jamis bikes are well worth checking out as well!

jamijo
07-24-2010, 07:21 PM
You and I must be twins since I went through almost exactly the same thing- weight loss, limited funds, time and wanting to do some serious cross country....
just my two cents worth.

I will definitely check out WT, and thanks for sharing your experience -- it's good to see that someone else is as crazy as I am :) And I think it'll be good motivation to keep going when things get to the inevitable tough bits.

6 hrs TITS rides @ 15 mph sounds like a great goal to shoot for when I get to the endurance training stage... I appreciate the suggestion!! :)

jamijo
07-24-2010, 07:36 PM
A storm is rolling in, so I may get cut off -

You are awesome - planning and dreaming!
I've spoken with road riders at work but other than riding my old mountain bike (a Schwinn Mesa GSX) on the road with my DH (well, OK off-road also), I haven't gotten as far as planning a road bike purchase/ride. There are groups that ride every afternoon here in hot humid dangerous Central FL - but I'm super intimidated. I haven't been on a road bike in over 12 years. I'm not a yuppie. I'm afraid of getting hit by the mirror of a big truck. :rolleyes: Excuses, I know . . .

I'm also returning to riding after a long break. I look forward to reading about your adventures!

Keep looking, there are so many used bikes for sale and sometimes just as you've about given up - something perfect appears.

Heh, at least you have a bike at the moment :)

I'm hoping I can get hubby involved, but... he's as slow to commit to things as I am hasty, so it's still a crapshoot if he'll get interested enough join in.

I'm a little intimidated about trying to ride on the roads closer to home with little/no shoulder and all of the curves and hills in our area, but.... I figure I'll start on some bike trails and in subdivisions and branch out from there. I'll get road nerves built up eventually, I'm going to have to! :) I'm actually more spooked by the idea of trailriding on a mtnbike... I'm terrified I'd endo down a trail, or smack into a tree with my luck. I had a much better sense of invincibility as a teen :)

I am keeping my eyes on used listings, and might actually be able to talk my mom into letting me have a long term loan of her hybrid that's been parked in the garage for... well, years, probably. It would require buying a rack to haul it back from our trip to MI, but I'll need to invest in one of those at some point anyway.

jamijo
07-24-2010, 07:39 PM
Another good site is CycloCamping (http://www.cyclocamping.com/)
@ Zen - yay, more websites to spend time perusing :) thanks!

@tiva - I like that brand name... it would be like the bike is branded as mine :P