Do you use sunscreen?

[staceysue]

I can feel the wrinkles forming. I need a good sunscreen for my face, that won't clog my pores. Any suggestions?

[Trek-chick]

Neutrogena Age Shield Facial Sunblock is a good one. I have also used Aveeno Ageless facial moisturizer (it has a sunblock in it) and Clinique makes some good stuff.

[Melissa71]

2nd on the Neutrogena sunblock, I used the 85spf last summer and it was great. No breakouts, but it went on a little thick.

[Bike Chick]

Third on Neutrogena! I also use Avon Anew Alternative moisturizer with a spf of 25.

[crazycanuck]

I can't believe the only thing you think about when you go out in the sun is wrinkles...:confused:

Do you not think about skin cancer? Perhaps it's just me..after living in NZ for 4yrs & now Aust...having the "slip, slop, slap" motto banged into my head etc..All I can think about is what time of the day i'm outside, using proper sunscreen & covering up properly...

[bmccasland]

Funny, the face, arms, hands, gets taken care of, but upper chest I tend to forget - and guess where I'm finding "age spots?" :(

Coppertone Sport spf 30 has been the sunscreen lately.

[Grits]

I can't remember the brand, but basically anything that says it is specifically for faces and is sweatproof, probably Banana Boat or Coppertone. I use Neutrogena every day, but it isn't sweatproof so I don't rely on it for rides.

As someone who is also concerned about appearance in addition to skin cancer, I am trying hard to minimize my biker short and glove lines. I know some of you show your tan lines with pride, but I hate going to the pool or beach with glaring white shorts lines. I have gotten some Bull Frog SPF 50, waterproof, sweatproof, etc. to use. It is spray on, so I can cover myself quickly. I know it is probably a lost cause, but maybe I can at least minimize it a little bit. Plus, it is better for my skin!

[polly4711]

Faces by Banana Boat! It's great! But my fav is Coppertone Sport SPF 30

[OakLeaf]

Link (http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=31855) to last year's discussion.

[Chile Pepper]

I can't believe the only thing you think about when you go out in the sun is wrinkles...:confused:

Do you not think about skin cancer? Perhaps it's just me..after living in NZ for 4yrs & now Aust...having the "slip, slop, slap" motto banged into my head etc..All I can think about is what time of the day i'm outside, using proper sunscreen & covering up properly...

It's not actually cut and dried—and I live in Chile, which is also affected by the ozone hole. First, sunscreen interferes with our ability to make vitamin D, and studies are increasingly showing the importance of vitamin D. I take a supplement, but I also try to get some naturally. Second, most sunscreens contain components (benzenes) that mimic female hormones. I am very concerned about exposing my young boys to that. For them, I use Banana Boat kids. For myself, I use sunscreen on my face and generally try to stay out of the sun during peak hours.

[snowroo]

Sunscreen every day of my life since mid teens, inncluding winter. Still, the damage was done as a kid.

Vitamin D? 10 minutes per day to face and hands is what you need. Benefit of going without doesn't outweigh the risk of skin cancer.

"While exposure to sun may be the best way to boost vitamin D levels, this doesn't necessarily give sun lovers licence to tan. While being mindful of the threat of skin cancer, people should calculate how much time they spend in the sun depending on location, cloud cover, skin type, age and the amount of pollution in the area. Generally, doctors recommend that 10 to 15 minutes outdoors without sunscreen at least twice a week is adequate.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/05/16/f-health-vitamin-d.html#ixzz0mJ1WLvMW"


Melanoma is deadly. Early detection is key. It doesn't respond well to treatment once it's spread.

Please wear sunscreen, liberally, and reapply every couple of hours.

SLIP, SLOP, SLAP, WRAP - (wrap around sunglasses). Your eyes are at risk too.

[Catrin]

SLIP, SLOP, SLAP??? Having some interesting visuals on this, but probably unrelated to what this actually means concerning sun protection :)

I am fair and do NOT tan, and have avoided the sun for years. That is about to change with my bike :p

I am noting sport sunscreens available at CVS with SPF 100 - when did it get that high? I DID, however, find a sweat-proof sports sunscreen with an SPF of 50 and a lip-stick with a 30 SPF. Do I need a separate product for my face, or will the regular sunscreen be enough? I don't care about wrinkles, I DO care about skin cancer.

[ny biker]

For rides, I use Neutrogena Ultimate Sport SPF 70 for faces on my face. Regular Neutrogena Ultimate Sport SPF 70 for the rest of me. It works great. The only reason I use the special face stuff on my face is because it's less irritating.

For everyday I use Eucerin sensitive skin face moisturizer with SPF 30. It's the least greasy of the various brands that I tried last summer.

My biggest sun-related problem is brown spots.

[rubywagon]

I have very sensitive skin and Hawaiian Tropic's Baby Faces is the only thing I can use that doesn't clog my pores. I use it on my kids too, so I can buy it in bulk. :)

[shootingstar]

Looks like I will have sunscreen just even the small area below my throat..brown spots.

That absolutely cements why I have not worn any tank tops nor sleeveless jerseys when I go cycling or hiking...for the past 18 yrs. I only wear sleeveless off bike when I'm visiting people or doing something completely non-sports.

And I am out cycling 96% of all days during spring, summer and fall ever since we moved to Vancouver (2002). Averaging at least a total of 1 hr. in total (or more) per day of cycling.

As mentioned awhile ago on the forum, last year I did have dermatologist examine my face on the nature of a couple brown spots. It's ok, but she did encourage me to keep on using sun screen. As soon as she saw my exposed skin on legs, arms, etc., she could tell I used sunscreen often..maybe it was the nature of the tan..which I do get a slight one even with 70 SFP. (Neutrogena)

I really don't care about strange tan lines and it tends to be "gradual" lines because different jerseys have different arm sleeve lengths, etc. But then my natural skin colour does have a golden/yellow cast. So it's kinda of...dumb to worry about this..for me. :)

Last year when we went to Hawaii, not once did I lie out on the beach. Just cycling around for 1-2 hrs. each day was enough since i found the sun just powerful.

[Norse]

+1 on the Neutrogena Sport - usually put 70 on my face, ears, nose and 40 on the rest of my exposed skin. I have had one pre-cancerous mole removed and my grandma has lived through melanoma more than once. I don't take unnecessary chances with skin cancer now that I am older and wiser like I did when I was an idiot kid ("hey, let's sunbath wearing baby oil!").

[staceysue]

Neutrogena Face Shield it is!

Although anything can happen, skin cancer is one thing I haven't worried about here. Even when I was a kid, though, I was very careful about it in KS. I saw a guy without any ears there! He lost them to skin cancer and just had holes in his head. When my friends were sunbathing I was saying "I don't want wrinkles when I get older!" I was such a geek.

I get so little sun up here. Just my face when I'm skiing or riding and that's it. It's cold so much of the time that it's nothing to go a whole year without ever putting on a swim suit and it's easy to be quite comfortable all year without ever putting on shorts or a tank top. Even as a nurse, I very rarely see it. One great thing about our climate - the dogs don't get heart worms and the people rarely get skin cancer!

Of course, this is my first year cycling in the summer. I didn't start until September of last year. I imagine I'll have a lot more opportunities to expose my body to the sun now . . . .

[GLC1968]

I'm going to come clean here - I only use sunscreen as a last resort. I would prefer not to put all the chemicals/oils on my skin and frankly, I don't believe that it is as beneficial as we have been lead to believe.

When I am outside in the summer (on the farm), I wear a big brimmed hat, long sleeves and jeans or long pants. At work, I'm inside all day. In the winter, I don't even think about sunscreen since the sun rarely shines when I'm outside. Plus, I happen to be olive skinned. I actually DO worry about vit D levels. 10 minutes of direct sun on the face and hands per day is exceedingly hard to come by in some climates, you know. ;)

I only wear sunscreen on the bike which is pretty much the only athletic activity I'd do ALL day or during mid-day. For that, I look for sweat proof and I slather it on. I really only wear it to prevent burns though - I don't think it does diddly for preventing premature aging or skin cancer when I STILL get super dark no matter how much I put on, how high the SPF or how fresh it is. :confused: I do appreciate its ability to prevent severe pain though, so I use it when that is a concern.

[michelem]

Here's a good resource regarding sunscreen safety:

http://www.ewg.org/cosmetics/report/sunscreen09

I probably err on the side of overkill (zinc/titanium sunscreen, sun protective (UPF 30) long sleeve jerseys, and long tights for running and cycling -- even in 100 degree weather. Etc. I as diagnosed with VERY LOW vitamin d levels due to all my "covering up" and now take 1000-2000 IU of vitamin d supplements each day. It's amazing at how correcting this deficiency has alleviated 99% of my joint/bone pain.

I've seen the devastation of skin cancer on my husband (he's undergone multiple surgeries and wears the scars to prove it). I used to not worry about it, due to being olive-complected and growing up when SPF 2 "suntan oil" was all the rage. But, I'm hoping better late than never . . . :confused:

[abejita]

I am a sunscreen junkie. I am very fair and burn if I just think of the sun. Living in Texas doesn't help any. There has been a lot of controversy as to the sun stability of many US brands of sunscreen as well as their ability to block UVA rays.

I us La Roche-Posey Anthelios XL. It has mexoryl which is the only sunscreen that is proven to be photo stable as well as an excellent uva and uvb block. In the rest of the world, this sunscreen is considered the gold standard. Unfortunately, in the US we are behind the curve and the only product that is approved by the FDA with mexoryl has an spf of 15. For years, I had my canadian friend ship spf 50+ sunscreen to me, but now it is pretty easy to find on the internet. I bought my last batch on amazon.

[BikingNurse]

Mary K has a good moisturisure that I use. It has sun block in it aswell. I really like it. Me being so fair skinned and burning so easily (you should se the Bike MS pics from last year -I look like roudolfs cousin) I use banana boat for before I head our on the rest of me though.

[shootingstar]

I know that several folks here are complaining about the lack of sun during certain seasons but it absolutely cannot compare living in the Arctic where it is the land of the midnight sun in winter (I was there at 1:00 pm in January. It was dark, like the sun was about to rise. That is how dark it gets during daytime.) And it is very cold up there, so more disincentives of getting sunlight from being outdoors, etc.

So truly, we really need to be careful claiming about not getting "enough" sun. :rolleyes: It's alot easier for us to get it...just by walking around outdoors for 15 min. or so at least every day.

I mentioned earlier about my lack of interest in lying out in sun in Hawaii last year because of cycling daily.

On my lst trip to Hawaii in 2002, I wore long-sleeved cotton shirt at least 50% of the time. The sun's rays really did feel very powerful (to me) and I was getting tired of the sun screen bit.

I have not sunbathed in a bathing suit ..for past 20 yrs. And it definitely is not because I'm ashamed of my figure. Far from it. Instead cycling so regularily in past 18 yrs., just makes sunbathing totally irrelevant for me.

[GLC1968]

So truly, we really need to be careful claiming about not getting "enough" sun. :rolleyes: It's alot easier for us to get it...just by walking around outdoors for 15 min. or so at least every day.



Until I moved here, I would agree with you.

There are days in the winter where I don't see the sun AT ALL. I work in a building that while it has windows, I am seated no where near one (even worse when I'm in the lab). Our winter days are so short that I'd leave for work in the dark and return to home in the dark...5 days in a row. Lunch is usually taken at my desk (if I can take one!)...so I see NO sun. Hell, even my farm chores were done by headlamp during the week!

So yes, it is quite possible that 1) I don't need sunscreen in the winter and 2) I could have vit d deficiency issues for a month or two.

My husband is completely different. He works from home and does get out at least once a day to tend to the animals during daylight hours. He is also fair skinned. While he might not bother with sunscreen for daily use in the winter, he certainly has no danger of missing out on vit d.

Just like so many other things we talk about on here, everyone's situation is different.

[zoom-zoom]

My hubby recently had a melanoma and a lymph node removed. His surgeon and oncologist are reasonably certain that he's cancer-free, but this is a guy who never tanned. Not only do we wear at least 50spf sunblock, but also Moeben arm sleeves on the bike.

[crazycanuck]

http://www.cancer.org.au/cancersmartlifestyle/SunSmart/Campaignsandevents/SlipSlopSlapSeekSlide.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAu5wCTEBt0

for Catrin

[GLC1968]

Wow, CC, that's funny! I'd never heard that slogan either.

In my climate, I'm sticking with slip, slap, seek and slide. You guys can do the slop. ;)

[marni]

Anytime a dermatologist sees my green eyes, the first thing they ask is if I use sunscreen. Like many others, I got the exposure as a child and some extra stupidity as a teen while skiing, when a bronze face was de rigeur.

Having had two total acid face peels to burn off pending melanomas I now slip, slop and slather.

Just as a side note another preventative I use in the summer are arm coolers. These are wicking sun resistant fiber that both pull the sweat off of my arms and prevent sun exposure. They are made by de Soto and are available from trisports.com.

I actually use these as arm protection/ wind breaks in the spring and fall as well. They aren't as warm as arm warmers but they absolutely are the best for taking the sting out of the sun.

marni

[ny biker]

Anytime a dermatologist sees my green eyes, the first thing they ask is if I use sunscreen. Like many others, I got the exposure as a child and some extra stupidity as a teen while skiing, when a bronze face was de rigeur.

Having had two total acid face peels to burn off pending melanomas I now slip, slop and slather.

Just as a side note another preventative I use in the summer are arm coolers. These are wicking sun resistant fiber that both pull the sweat off of my arms and prevent sun exposure. They are made by de Soto and are available from trisports.com.

I actually use these as arm protection/ wind breaks in the spring and fall as well. They aren't as warm as arm warmers but they absolutely are the best for taking the sting out of the sun.

marni

Actually the DeSoto arm coolers, cool wings and leg coolers are available here at Team Estrogen.

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_CW.html
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_AC.html
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_LC.html

Now they have a base layer too.

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_WBL.html

Plus that helmet beanie.

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_WBL.html

[Blueberry]

Just as a side note another preventative I use in the summer are arm coolers. These are wicking sun resistant fiber that both pull the sweat off of my arms and prevent sun exposure. They are made by de Soto and are available from trisports.com.

I got mine right here on TE: http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_CW.html

And I do love them. I'm on the fence about chemical sunscreens and how good they are for us. So, I try to cover up with fabric where possible, and use more natural sunscreens where I really need to. I find they just aren't that effective for me - I tried a new face formula recently, and looked like I had a sunburn from it. It was almost like a chemical burn. Not pretty.

ETA: I see they have leg coolers now. Anyone tried them? If so, how well do they stay up? I've not tried knee/leg warmers, but would be tempted to try these.

[Blueberry]

Actually the DeSoto arm coolers, cool wings and leg coolers are available here at Team Estrogen.

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_CW.html
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_AC.html
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_LC.html

Now they have a base layer too.

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_WBL.html

Plus that helmet beanie.

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_WBL.html

Jinx. You beat me to it:)

[ny biker]

Jinx. You beat me to it:)

I was working two browsers at once. ;)

I haven't tried the leg coolers, but I liked the cool wings so much last summer that I got a second one for Christmas.

[marni]

well thanks for the update on the de soto stuff. I got the tri sports reference from a woman I ride with on occasion who does triathalons- I wasn't a member of TE at the time so.... It's nice to have TE torefer to when I tell people about them.

marni who needs to ride after having had to sit home for three useless days waiting for the ac man who never showed. Same thing on tap for tomorrow so....then it's supposed to rain. ARGH!!!!!

marni

[zoom-zoom]

As far as sweat-proofness of sunblocks go, I have found the Neutrogena face stuff is good (though I still don't apply it above the eyes, because nothing is sweat-proof enough to not hurt like a mofo once it finds its way into my eyes), but for the rest of me nothing beats the Coppertone Sport spray. I'm guessing sweat won't be as big an issue on the bike, but when I run I sweat like a horse, so I really did a lot of testing of Sport sunblocks the last few years.

[CAL932]

I use Neutrogena Age Defense Face everyday, especially since i have red hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. When i go for a ride i add Coppertone Sport ultra sweatproof.

[tzvia]

I wasn't born with my mother's Moroccan/Middleastern skin, but with my father's Eastern European skin. In short, I look like a ghost (see my Avatar? Day glow. My sister and brother always look tanned, but nooo not me :(). Well, I hate sunscreen. I hate putting it on, the smell and feel, and when I sweat and it gets in my eyes :eek:. But my father's brothers all have skin cancer, my dad had pre-cancers removed from his skin (8 of them), and I am resigned to keeping away from the sunlight like a vampire. I use No-Ad and Banana Boat sweatproof, and apply it often during longer rides. I love the outdoors; camping, hiking, 4xing, and of course road and mtb riding, and those disgusting bottles follow me everywhere. I take small bottles or samples on rides, keep several in the truck at all times and pack more in my camping gear. SPF 30 in early to mid spring, 50 to 70 during the summer, and 15~20 for the winter unless it is very overcast where I dare to go with only the protection of clothing and clouds.

As for vitamin D, I supplement, 5000iu in drops mixed in my antioxidant Acai/berry drink every morning. Now I don't know if it's all in my head (probably is), but after about 2 weeks of this supplementation, I found I have a general feeling of well being and my creaky achy knees and hips feel much improved. Whatever the reason, I'm sticking with it; it is the only supplement I can say I feel a very real difference taking.

[lunacycles]

As one who is also uber fair with a huge family history of skin cancer, and having had several removed from me already and the scars to prove it, plus living my whole life at altitude and in the desert...

...I do not trust that most conventional sunscreens are good for us. They may keep us from being burned, but they are full of crap I simply do not trust. After slathering on spf 30's to 50's of the conventional variety for years to no good effect (in terms of preventing skin cancer)...

I have switched to mostly chemical free sunscreens, none over the level of 20 spf, and I also do the Vitamin D supplement thing. Not only do I feel better, I haven't had the yearly "bloom" of basal cell carcinomas I was starting to bitterly agree to.

I strongly suspect the efficacy of sunscreens in their ability to prevent cancer. They may prevent burn, but I don't believe most are good for us due to their heavy chemical make up, and create more problems than they prevent.

[Catrin]

....
I have switched to mostly chemical free sunscreens, none over the level of 20 spf, and I also do the Vitamin D supplement thing. Not only do I feel better, I haven't had the yearly "bloom" of basal cell carcinomas I was starting to bitterly agree to.

I strongly suspect the efficacy of sunscreens in their ability to prevent cancer. They may prevent burn, but I don't believe most are good for us due to their heavy chemical make up, and create more problems than they prevent.

Could you suggest the sunscreens that you are currently using? I have avoided the sun for most of my 50 years due to some bad experiences with sun poisoning as a child and in my early 20's. However if I want to ride I can't avoid the sun any more :) I currently have Coppertone Sport 50 Ultra Sweatproof sunscreen - but I do wonder about the chemical content. My skin isn't used to anything like this...

I am very fair, and also am of Eastern European ancestry (and Scot - but I take after my father's family where my complexion is concerned).

[Blueberry]

Could you suggest the sunscreens that you are currently using? I have avoided the sun for most of my 50 years due to some bad experiences with sun poisoning as a child and in my early 20's. However if I want to ride I can't avoid the sun any more :) I currently have Coppertone Sport 50 Ultra Sweatproof sunscreen - but I do wonder about the chemical content. My skin isn't used to anything like this...

I am very fair, and also am of Eastern European ancestry (and Scot - but I take after my father's family where my complexion is concerned).

I'm not Margo, but next on my list to try is Badger Balm. I think they have a 30 - but it's zinc oxide - nothing icky. There was some sort of rating page that I remember thinking highly of that rated it well.

[abejita]

Skinceuticals has some excellent sunscreens, some of which are all physical...

http://www.skinceuticals.com/_us/_en/catalog/protect.aspx

Total Block is another good physical sunscreen...
http://www.falleneskincare.com/displayProducts.asp?criteria=12552

I use Nia24 sunscreen daily and I love it. It is a physical sunscreen. The only problem is that it is not waterproof, so I use La Roche Posey when I need some waterproof.

http://www.skin-etc.com/nia24sundapr.html

[lunacycles]

Could you suggest the sunscreens that you are currently using? I have avoided the sun for most of my 50 years due to some bad experiences with sun poisoning as a child and in my early 20's. However if I want to ride I can't avoid the sun any more I currently have Coppertone Sport 50 Ultra Sweatproof sunscreen - but I do wonder about the chemical content. My skin isn't used to anything like this...

I am very fair, and also am of Eastern European ancestry (and Scot - but I take after my father's family where my complexion is concerned).

My current fave is "BestBloc" organic uva/uvb spf 15 from Best on Earth. It is really good, feels very light, no zinc oxide, and bloody expensive (but at this point my skin is definitely worth it).

http://bestonearthproducts.com/bestbloc_organic_sunscreen.php

Another good one is Sun Shield by MyChelle (you can get at Whole Foods). Also bloody expensive (even more per ounce than Best on Earth), and it uses a form of zinc oxide that does not turn your skin white. It is thicker. I believe it is SPF20 or so.

mraguirre's recommendations look intriguing to me if you want a higher SPF or water resistance.

mraguirre: what is a "physical" sun screen? Curious.

I too am very cautious at this point, esp as I was fried to a crisp repeatedly as a child through my mid 20's, and have always lived at high altitude. I could be a poster child for high risk for skin cancer based on genetics and lifestyle (and both of my parents have had a lot of cancers removed, and i've already had half a dozen or so), so I don't mess around anymore.

[abejita]

I've pasted an explanation of physical vs. chemical sunscreens below. Many people who have sensitive skin or want to stay away from synthetic chemicals opt for physical sunscreens.

Physical filters include zinc oxide and titanium dioxide. They work by sitting on top of skin and either reflecting or scattering UV rays. Zinc oxide can block against both UVA and UVB rays, covering the whole spectrum, while titanium dioxide only delivers protection from UVB rays. Both ingredients work well, but have a tendency to leave a white cast on skin. Newer, micronized versions or those that contain nanoparticles appear much more clear on skin.

Chemical filters include a range of ingredients including avobenzone (also known as Parsol 1789), oxybenzone, Tinosorb M, Tinosorb S, Mexoryl SX and Mexoryl XL amongst others. These agents work by interacting with the skin’s top layer to absorb UV rays and convert them into energy before they can harm skin. Chemical sunscreens tend to use a combination of ingredients to protect against the full spectrum of UV rays. While older chemical filters tended to protect well against UVB rays, they often didn’t deliver much in the way of UVA protection. Newer filters such as Mexoryl and Tinosorb now deliver UVA protection so look for sunscreens containing those. Avobenzone also offers UVA blocking capability, but one problem is that it tends to degrade upon exposure to light. If you are using a sunscreen that contains avobenzone ensure that it is stabilized with an ingredient such as Octocrylene as found in Anthelios sunscreens.

[Catrin]

Skinceuticals has some excellent sunscreens, some of which are all physical...

http://www.skinceuticals.com/_us/_en/catalog/protect.aspx

Total Block is another good physical sunscreen...
http://www.falleneskincare.com/displayProducts.asp?criteria=12552

I use Nia24 sunscreen daily and I love it. It is a physical sunscreen. The only problem is that it is not waterproof, so I use La Roche Posey when I need some waterproof.

http://www.skin-etc.com/nia24sundapr.html

The Skinseuticals are indeed interesting, and claim that the zinc oxide doesn't turn the skin white as in the past - have you found that to be the case? Also, I note the cost for a 3.5 oz tube of their Sport 40 SPF cream... is this a case where a little goes a long way? How about the Total Block? Curious minds would love to know - thanks!

I note that the BestBloc is less expensive than the other two...though all are expensive.

I am just concerned about all of those chemicals of usual sunscreens, and my skin isn't used to any of them...

[lunacycles]

Zinc oxide can block against both UVA and UVB rays, covering the whole spectrum, while titanium dioxide only delivers protection from UVB rays.

Well now I am confused. BestBloc uses only titanium dioxide as its active ingredient, yet claims protection from both UVB and UVA. Given this info, wondering how that is possible?

[marni]

another thing to think about- especially thosse who have had sun poisoning- the consumpption of artificial sweeteners has been associate with increased sun sensitivity.

I do know that in the case of my daughter and myself it is absolutely the case which is why I have learned to drink lemon water and black coffee and avoid all pre sweetened foods. My daughter drinks something with artifical sweetner, goes out in the sun and ends up with a red and white splotchy wash after 15 minutes.

Just a thought, since artificial sweetners are in everything.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't worry about sunscreen but another factor to consider.

marni

[abejita]

Well now I am confused. BestBloc uses only titanium dioxide as its active ingredient, yet claims protection from both UVB and UVA. Given this info, wondering how that is possible?


So, one thing you have to understand is that there is a UVA/UVB spectrum. Titanium dioxide is very good in the UVB spectrum, but just covers a small portion of the UVA spectrum. Regulations in the US allow manufacturers to say it is broad spectrum. This is why you have to be so careful about picking a sunscreen. Here is part of an article that might explain the titanium dioxide better.

Titanium dioxide is a physical sun blocking agent that work primarily by reflecting/absorbing ultraviolet light. It bocks UVB and short UVA (320-340 nm, a.k.a UVA-2). Titanium dioxide is less effective against long UVA (340-400 nm, a.k.a UVA-1). Hence, in regard to the range of protection, titanium dioxide is inferior to zinc oxide, another popular physical sun block.

[HermitGirl]

Does anybody have the experience , or know if sunscreen goes bad from one year to the next? I actually think I've developed an allergic reaction to sunscreen on my face, as my sinuses get really sickly feeling and I just feel like I've got to wash it all off my face. Not breakouts, but beneath the skin, in sinus (behind eyes feeling) about a couple hours after applying it. I bought it fresh only last summer, Neutrogena brand, both the face moisturizer with 15, and the 45 sunblock. I really am quite freaked as I finally settled a couple years ago on thinkin Neutrogena was 'my brand', having never felt this reaction so severely before. But it's downright unbearable now.

[lunacycles]

So, one thing you have to understand is that there is a UVA/UVB spectrum. Titanium dioxide is very good in the UVB spectrum, but just covers a small portion of the UVA spectrum. Regulations in the US allow manufacturers to say it is broad spectrum. This is why you have to be so careful about picking a sunscreen.

Thank you, Mary--really valuable and helpful info...

[NoNo]

Just read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36832300/ns/health-skin_and_beauty/

Kind of scary that there's no regulation or standards. Also didn't realize that many sunblocks didn't work on UVA, which is what causes wrinkles. I admit I thought that the SPF numbers were exponential and was really surprised to see how small of a difference there was between 30 and 15.

[abejita]

Thanks for the article...I was about to look for something along the same lines.

The US historically has really only been concerned with UVB rays (the ones that burn you. That is all the SPF rating refers to. Many European sunscreens offer and additional rating system for UVA. There sunscreens have an SPF rating and a PA rating (the uva protection) it will be PA +, ++, +++ or ++++.

Also, there are many ingredients that are not photo stable (which is ridiculous in a sunscreen) So you either have to make sure there is something to stabilize the ingredients or it contains a sunblock that is photo stable.

My husband thinks that it is hilarious that for years, I had my friend ship me contraband sunscreen from europe (the fda hadn't approved the sunblock)

[Catrin]

Just read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36832300/ns/health-skin_and_beauty/

Kind of scary that there's no regulation or standards. Also didn't realize that many sunblocks didn't work on UVA, which is what causes wrinkles. I admit I thought that the SPF numbers were exponential and was really surprised to see how small of a difference there was between 30 and 15.

Thanks for the article, and I found that small difference between the SPF numbers enlightening. It sounds like I should go for a physical sunblock
This has confirmed my choice of a physical sunblock over a chemical one. It was quite a shock to read that there is no regulation on this in the US...

[snowroo]

http://www.canada.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=69e53ff5-739e-4b3a-b35f-e2db80d172b5

Don't have to get it in Europe. Canada has good sunscreen too. My Derm recommended ombrelle

[OakLeaf]

When we were in Italy in '02, the only time I've bought sunblock in Europe, it only went up to #20. In pidgin Italian and sign language I tried to ask for a higher SPF; the store clerk told me 20 was the "max" and that with my slightly olive skin I didn't need it anyway. :p


ETA: Hermitgirl, yes, the chemical sunblocks do expire, and the package should have an expiration date on it.

IME though, Neutrogena products of any kind are some of the nastiest things out there. I can't put anything Neutrogena on my skin without a major breakout. I just bought a tube of Badger and so far so good.

[Blueberry]

I just bought a tube of Badger and so far so good.

Thanks for the feedback - I keep meaning to pick some up!

[abejita]

http://www.canada.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=69e53ff5-739e-4b3a-b35f-e2db80d172b5

Don't have to get it in Europe. Canada has good sunscreen too. My Derm recommended ombrelle

The sunscreen that I have used for years has Mexoryl in it. It is made by La Roche Posey.

[HermitGirl]

ETA: Hermitgirl, yes, the chemical sunblocks do expire, and the package should have an expiration date on it.

IME though, Neutrogena products of any kind are some of the nastiest things out there. I can't put anything Neutrogena on my skin without a major breakout. I just bought a tube of Badger and so far so good.THANK YOU ! This Badger stuff, is it hypo alergenic, or what?

[OakLeaf]

Here (http://www.badgerbalm.com/p-372-spf-30-for-face-body.aspx)'s their ingredient list; click on the FAQ and the technical page for more information about micronized zinc oxide.

The label calls it "lightly scented," but I would say the lavender fragrance is fairly strong, so if that bothers you, be forewarned.

I only just started using it, but haven't had any problems with it so far, and my facial skin is super sensitive.

[Catrin]

Here (http://www.badgerbalm.com/p-372-spf-30-for-face-body.aspx)'s their ingredient list; click on the FAQ and the technical page for more information about micronized zinc oxide.

The label calls it "lightly scented," but I would say the lavender fragrance is fairly strong, so if that bothers you, be forewarned.

I only just started using it, but haven't had any problems with it so far, and my facial skin is super sensitive.

Do you use this for more than your face and does it noticeably whiten your skin? Thanks!

[OakLeaf]

I only regularly put sunblock on my nose and the back of my neck, maybe a little across my cheekbones and ears. Badger is based on olive oil and beeswax, so it's definitely possible that it would be too heavy to put on your arms or back if overheating is a problem for you. Is that why you were asking about putting it somewhere besides my face?

As for whitening... a little bit. According to their FAQ (https://www.badgerbalm.com/t-SPF_tech.aspx), the zinc oxide particles in Badger sunblock are for the most part larger than what's technically considered nanoparticles, although there's some overlap in the 70-100 nm range. So it's definitely not like the old-style clown-nose zinc oxide preparations; I would say the appearance is more like wearing makeup that's a shade too light for my skin.



Also, poking around Badger's website, I see they now have an unscented version. Men may prefer this too. ;)

[Catrin]

I only regularly put sunblock on my nose and the back of my neck, maybe a little across my cheekbones and ears. Badger is based on olive oil and beeswax, so it's definitely possible that it would be too heavy to put on your arms or back if overheating is a problem for you. Is that why you were asking about putting it somewhere besides my face?

As for whitening... a little bit. According to their FAQ (https://www.badgerbalm.com/t-SPF_tech.aspx), the zinc oxide particles in Badger sunblock are for the most part larger than what's technically considered nanoparticles, although there's some overlap in the 70-100 nm range. So it's definitely not like the old-style clown-nose zinc oxide preparations; I would say the appearance is more like wearing makeup that's a shade too light for my skin.



Also, poking around Badger's website, I see they now have an unscented version. Men may prefer this too. ;)

I was just looking at their website after posting my question. I asked about your use of this because I am not used to using sunscreen at all - typically I've just avoided the sun :( and want to find a good non-chemical sunscreen that I can use all over. I am unsure about overheating related to this, which was part of my question :)

This does seem a more affordable option, though of course there isn't an inexpensive, and good, physical sunscreen. Not that I can find at least. I suspect that I will try this one, Total Block and Skinseuticals (not at the same time) to see which my skin is happiest with. I just do not tan, I just burn...and burn...and...I will use Coppertone until I try one of these products. I don't think I can purchase them locally.

[OakLeaf]

I don't think I can purchase them locally.

Badger Balm is a pretty popular brand. If your local natural food store doesn't already stock the sunblock (or doesn't have the kind you want to try), I'd be very surprised if they wouldn't order some for you. Don't know how you feel about Whole Foods, but I see both their Indy stores are clear the north end and not very close to you, anyway.

[HermitGirl]

I suddenly get why they call it Badger... probably because of the streaking appearance in the face?

[TrekTheKaty]

Last summer, I used Neutrogena Sport 70 on my face (I wear a buff low over my forehead. I concur--suncreen in eyes--YOUCH! The only thing worse, is trying to reapply on the trail and getting a salt scrub facial. Not attractive, but amusing for riding buddies.) I just switched to Proactiv. However, I think I'm going to try the La Roche. My summer freckles are turning into brown spots--not attractive. A neutrogena spray over the arms and legs.

And yes sunscreen expires. Check for an expiration date. Most of my stuff looks like it lasts two years. If you aren't sure, pitch it.

A friend who is a nurse, also recommends physical sunblocks. They eventually blend in, but go on white. She gave me some Solar Sense Clear Zinc for Face while skiing and it's made in Canada! (oxtinoxate)

[Catrin]

Timely discussion indeed. I went for an 18 mile ride at mid-day today, temps were in high 60s, low 70's. Not a cloud in the sky and the sky was a beautiful dark blue. Put Coppertone Sport on my arms and legs, had an a sleeveless jersey.

Problem was I forgot two places - my face and the back of my shoulders. The back of my shoulders are burnt to a crisp, and can't even find a comfy place to lay on....hence my being on TE when I should be sleeping.

I THOUGHT I had put the Coppertone everywhere :o

Lesson learned....more sunscreen more places... :)

[abejita]

I got burnt a couple weeks ago too. Very unusual for me too, I don't think that I've had a sunburn since high school! I never ever forget to put on sunscreen...

So I was two laps into my four lap ride (45 miles) and I realized that I hadn't put on sunscreen, I continued on with my last two laps, thinking about my lack of sunscreen the whole way. I knew I was going to be really burnt.

The thing that pissed me off the most was about two blocks from my house, I remembered that I had my 'emergency' sunscreen in my saddlebag! Ugh! I am still peeling a little.

[buffybike]

Neutrogena Age Shield Facial Sunblock is a good one. I have also used Aveeno Ageless facial moisturizer (it has a sunblock in it) and Clinique makes some good stuff.

+1 on the Aveeno--never had a breakout with that one...and it doesn't run into my eyes. Shiseido also makes excellent sunblock albeit a little more expensive.

[abejita]

Shiseido does make excellent sunscreen. One other thing to remember is it isn't always necessarily what makes you break out. I found that with waterproof sunscreens in particular, that if they are not washed off completely I will break out. The ones that are waterproof are particularly hard to get off. I use a cleansing oil whenever I have on waterproof sunscreen and it takes it off completely the first time.

[TrekTheKaty]

Got my Badger
Balm--it was on sale at Whole Foods

[snowroo]

The sunscreen that I have used for years has Mexoryl in it. It is made by La Roche Posey.

That's available in Canada at Shoppers drug mart. Getting your sunscreen in Europe sounds much more exotic tho :)

[abejita]

It does, doesn't it, LOL! Now I can buy it on Amazon...go figure.

[buffybike]

+1 on the Aveeno--never had a breakout with that one...and it doesn't run into my eyes. Shiseido also makes excellent sunblock albeit a little more expensive.

Update: Okay I take this back==the Aveeno was running all INTO my eyes today and it really burned. I had to wipe most of it off before my ride even started.

[ny biker]

So, I've been using Neutrogena Sensitive Skin sunblock on and off for a few years now. It's a physical sunblock (zinc oxide and titanium dioxide). I use it on my arms, legs, etc. for everyday use when I don't need anything sweatproof. I bought it because I tend to have problems with contact dermatitis and it's specfically for sensitive skin.

And this weekend I found that I've developed an allergy to it. I only had a bit of a rash on my arms, but they were itching really badly.

However the Eucerin face lotion/sunblock that I use has the same active ingredients, which means one or more of the inactive ingredients in the Neutrogena is causing the problem.

This means I'm in the market for a new sunscreen for everyday use. I've already tried Aveeno moisturizer with sunscreen and the Eucerin lotion with sunscreen that's not specifically for faces, but both are a bit too sticky.

Knock wood, I have not had any problems with the Neutrogena Sport stuff.

[OakLeaf]

I had Badger #30 on all last weekend and no breakouts.

It's pretty heavy though. Fine for an outdoor concert, but if you put sunscreen other places than your face, you probably won't want it for anything strenuous.

[zoom-zoom]

Update: Okay I take this back==the Aveeno was running all INTO my eyes today and it really burned. I had to wipe most of it off before my ride even started.

I can't put any sunscreens above my eyes for this reason--they all sweat into my eyes, regardless of how "sweat-proof" they claim to be. I always wear some sort of wicking headcover like a Buff or Headsweats do-rag under my helmet or for runs.

[Alex]

I've been using scented Badger Balm for the last couple weeks. It is REALLY greasy. I feel like I am encased in plastic or something. I am used to using heavy sunblocks, but this one just feels uncomfortable. The other thing is that the bottle says it "retains SPF after 40 minutes of activity in the water or perspiring." That doesn't seem long enough.

DH just bought some Vanicream to try. I'll give that a test ride this weekend. It says to reapply every 2 hours.

[channlluv]

In my job, I get off at 11:30 am and have to wait around until 3:30 to pick up my daughter. This school year, though, I've joined the Y, so I go swimming there nearly every weekday afternoon. After school I'm busy handling her schedule (carpool, swim team, martial arts), so the middle of the day really is my only opportunity to exercise.

In the fall, when I began, it took me 50 minutes to swim half a mile. Actually, I couldn't even do that. I could swim about five laps is all. Let's say February, it took me 50 minutes to swim a half a mile. I had only been able to get there sporadically because of all the travel I had to do in the late fall and winter (due to deaths in the family). Wait, the car accident was in February...okay, um April. April it took me 50 minutes to swim half a mile.

This week, I swam a half mile in 28 minutes.

The sunscreen challenge, though, is that I go swimming every afternoon right in the early afternoon, from noon to about 1pm. Then I go inside, rinse off, visit the sauna for about 20 minutes and deep condition my hair, then shower and head back to the school to pick up my daughter. I tried sunscreen, but I couldn't reach my back, and it seemed like it all washed off in the pool anyway, in spite of it being "waterproof."

So I have to be honest and confess that I have not been wearing sunscreen on my body until this past week and I'm getting really tan. I'm not burning because I'm in the water 99% of the time I'm outside. Normally I'd be red as watermelon. Now, I love how I look with a tan and so does DH, but I'm getting really freckly on my shoulders and back. A year or so ago, my dermatologist told me "First you get tan, then you get freckly, then you get leathery, and there's really no going back from that." I'm one step away from leathery, so I just bought the Aveeno 70 spf waterproof spray-on stuff so I can apply it myself to my back and shoulders.

I DO wear Aveeno 100 spf on my face, though. It says on the tube it's waterproof. The challenge there is that it affects the seal around my goggles and they often leak, so my eyes start stinging from the sunscreen and water.

Way back then, my dermatologist recommended a laser treatment to get rid of the damaged skin (freckles and the beginning of age spots -- I'm 45) that I had then. I had the procedure on my face and chest - it HURT! But it worked. The freckles turned to what looked like coffee grounds and two weeks later they had all worked themselves free and sloughed off. I had one of those blacklight skin checks and my face looked amazing afterward. Almost no sun damage was apparent.

I think that treatment has made me complacent with using sunscreen now, though. I do use Aveeno 39 spf on my face, neck, and chest most days, but I don't apply it when I'm swimming, except on my face.

I know I'm flirting with disaster here - skin cancer, especially. I need to start using sunscreen all over my body every day, no matter what. I don't want to get all leathery.

I'm not sure what my question is here...I guess I don't have one. I know what I SHOULD be doing. I'm just not doing it.

Roxy

[loopybunny]

I use Hawaiin Island Creations when I ride. That stuff is hard to wash off in the shower with hot, soapy water... definitely doesn't run into the eyes when sweating. They say waterproof, they mean it!

Downside is that it has parabens in it so I don't use it daily, only when I think I'll be sweating a lot like riding or hiking.

I'm sure I'll find out soon it's also tested on animals which will turn me off immediately. I'm refusing to check the PETA company list at this time (although, I've found it inaccurate before too).

hicsuncare.com

[snowroo]

your dilemma is simple. Wear a shirt that covers your back.

Or get that cute pool boy to help you reapply.

I have fair skin. I don't wear strappy, sleeveless clothing. I can't. I'll burn. Or get skin cancer. Oh well. Health 1, Fashion 0.

Kudos on your swimming. That's impressive!

[OakLeaf]

EWG's updated sunblock guide (http://www.ewg.org/2010sunscreen/best-beach-sport-sunscreens/).

[Selkie]

Roxie, what about a rashguard? Patagonia has a very nice one this season---the fabric is wonderful (I wear mine as a top! LOL).

I guess swimming indoors has its advantages.... Last year, I was swimming outside and despite using sunscreen, ended up covered with new freckles (age spots), in addition to some new moles.

[channlluv]

I have a long-sleeved Body Glove rash guard. I bought it for swimming during the cooler winter months. (Don't laugh -- here in San Diego, it dropped into the 60s! Even with the heated pool, brrrr.) It's kind of heavy, though, and in the sun, it's hot. I might try it, even so, because it's only June and I'm already worried about the freckles and possible skin cancer. Thanks for the suggestion.

I did go look at the Patagonia rash guards, but they don't come in my size, alas.

As for the cute pool boy helping me reapply, there aren't any. The lifeguards rarely leave their big chairs unless there's a shift change. Besides, I'm only out there for 30 minutes. I think that's why I'm tanning rather than burning.

I wonder what my vitamin D level is. When I had some tests done in May, it was low. I'm on supplements now, per doctor's orders.

Roxy

[Alex]

Thumbs up to the Vanicream Sport SPF35. Goes on well, the white fades, and it doesn't make me feel like I am encased in plastic. I'll probably still stick with Rocky Mountain SPF50 Sunscreen for all day rides and for triathlons, but I wore the Vanicream on yesterday's ride and during today's run, and it was great. DH bought it after he saw it on the EWG list.

[itself]

My partner just went to the dermatologist last week. Yes, they had to remove a growth on her neck and now the wait for the results. Never been so scared in our lives.

Sunscreen must contain one of these four ingredients according to our dermatologist:

Avobenzone
Titanium Dioxide
Zinc Oxide
Mexoryl

There is a lot of controversy around oxybenzene as an ingredient you DO NOT want in a sunscreen. Needless to say, we just tossed all of our Hawaiin Tropics as it is junk.

I read on ewg that rated sunscreens but I haven't checked ingredients. Badger is supposed to be really good, but the dermatologist did say Neutrogena is one of the best.

My partner is a pharmacist and says that most of these expensive sunscreens are way overpriced. She is going to compound sunscreens and simply take the Trader Joe's sunscreen and add pure zinc to it to get better protection. Cheaper and it will work!

Lisa

[Blueberry]

There is a lot of controversy around oxybenzene as an ingredient you DO NOT want in a sunscreen. Needless to say, we just tossed all of our Hawaiin Tropics as it is junk.

I read on ewg that rated sunscreens but I haven't checked ingredients. Badger is supposed to be really good, but the dermatologist did say Neutrogena is one of the best.

At least some Neutrogena products have oxybenzone in them.

Here's hoping your partner gets good news.

[Catrin]

Has anyone tried the Loving Naturals sunscreen found here: http://www.ewg.org/2010sunscreen/finding-the-best-sunscreens/299797/Loving-Naturals-Sunscreen-SPF/?

This seems to have the fewest chemical warnings out of the 8 that the EWG is recommending for this year.

I was interested in the Badger, but someone here said that it tends to be quite heavy - unless I misunderstood her post. Pity I can't abide sleeves when riding in the heat - I am fair skinned and have always had freckles - so I just need to become even more flexible for applying sunscreen :)

[JennK13]

I've found it's important to let the sunscreen soak in - if you put it on, especially on your face, right before you go out and sweat immediately, it's going to run. I don't use anything extra on my face - my moisturizer has SPF 30 in it, and I use an antioxidant protector over that daily that has SPF 15 in it. It's just part of my normal facial routine - soaks right in, no breakouts, and doesn't run into my eyes.

I keep sunscreen in the bathroom with my regular lotion, so if I'm planning on going out, I just use the sunscreen before I get dressed instead of my regular lotion - goes on all over, no forgotten parts or getting it on my jersey or clothes, and I followup with a spray like Nuetrogena on the back of my neck and lower back (where your jersey comes up exposing skin right above your shorts!!) Another often overlooked part - the ears! I make sure I put lotion on them too.

[loopybunny]

So now that I know my beloved sunscreen possibly increases the risk of melanoma, I'm off to find something new.

As far as I know, Neutrogena tests on animals. I've also never had luck with it not running into my eyes or causing minor break outs on my face.

I guess I'll need to do some more research for good cruelty free sunscreen.

I know Burt's Bees is free of parabens and oxybenzine, but they're owned by Clorox who does participate in animal testing.

Why is this so difficult?

[itself]

http://www.astrostar.com/DO-NOT-Test.htm


Neutrogena does not test on animals but their parent company, J&J does...

[ScaldedCat]

I used Riemann P20, stinks but seems to work.

[Catrin]

I didn't know that J&J tested on animals... I have been trying their baby sunscreen on my face, and All Terrain TerraSport on legs, shoulders, and arms. I was using Coppertone Sport with a supposed SPF of 50.

[OakLeaf]

I just learned that titanium dioxide is a photocatalyst. Instead of just reflecting sunlight, it actually creates free radicals (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18007996).

Effect on human skin is unknown, but it sure doesn't sound good. I'll stick with light covered fabrics and zinc oxide, TYVM.

[shootingstar]

I've found it's important to let the sunscreen soak in - if you put it on, especially on your face, right before you go out and sweat immediately, it's going to run. I don't use anything extra on my face - my moisturizer has SPF 30 in it, and I use an antioxidant protector over that daily that has SPF 15 in it. It's just part of my normal facial routine - soaks right in, no breakouts, and doesn't run into my eyes.

I keep sunscreen in the bathroom with my regular lotion, so if I'm planning on going out, I just use the sunscreen before I get dressed instead of my regular lotion - goes on all over, no forgotten parts or getting it on my jersey or clothes, and I followup with a spray like Nuetrogena on the back of my neck and lower back (where your jersey comes up exposing skin right above your shorts!!) Another often overlooked part - the ears! I make sure I put lotion on them too.

I usually put on sunscreen at least 20 min. or earlier before heading out.

Have always wondered about the effectiveness of spray on sunscreen/block. Most dermatologists would recommend generous application of sunscreen/sunblock. That was the advice from my dermatologist.