Designing Women's Cycling Apparel

[kamkam]

Hello!

I am currently working on my final Master's of design project that is to design women-specific cycling clothing. Last summer I bought a road bike and have been riding it non-stop. One of the issues I have encountered is that it is difficult to find cycling clothing that I love to wear (especially in stores!).

Currently I am conducting a lot of research to look for user insights. This past weekend I went to the South Carolina state championships and collected some good ideas. I will hopefully be in Athens, GA for the crit this coming weekend.

Some questions I am posing:

Is there a product that you wish existed for women who cycle?

What specific changes could be made to existing products?

What is your favorite brand and why?

What is the piece of cycling clothing that makes you feel the best and why?

Any other suggestions are welcome!

If you would like further information on my project, just ask or feel free to email me. kelseyamarks@gmail.com

Thank you!

[sah]

Center back pocket with a zipper.

cycling dress/ long jersey style with pockets... the Terry dress has no pockets.

summer long sleeve jerseys, for sun protection in pretty prints.

relaxed fit without elastic in the sleeves and bottom hem


Favorite jersey long sleeve summer weight jersey by Sheebest no longer for sale. The fabric has a better feel than the Canari summer weight jersey.

Next favorite Terry relaxed style

[Eden]

You'll find a lot of widely varying opinions here....

I'm pretty much totally opposite your first poster.

My fav is Canari - mainly because few other mfg's make stuff that fits me right.

Jerseys - I prefer race cut (close fitting) with good gripper elastic at the waist and sleeves (I want my arm warmers to stay put!). I love Canari's long sleeve winter weight jerseys - they are very close fitting, on the outside the fabric is very smooth, on the inside they are slightly fleecy. Jerseys must have easily accessed pockets - at least 2 preferably 3 - no zippers for me thanks.

Shorts - good leg grippers (again I want my leg warmers to stay put) - no low cut waist!! I don't want to show belly button when I stand up thanks. Medium length - I think I like a 7 or 8 inch inseam. Too long and they come way down almost to my knees to short the end of the leg might rub the saddle.

Designs - at this point I only wear team kit, but before I had preference for jerseys with random/abstract patterns. I don't care for solids at all.

I don't think there really is much out there for guys that isn't made for women.... the only seemingly deficient area is maybe bib shorts? I've never really worn them because our team orders always seem to be men's sizing for bibs and I'm just too small to even try them.

[Becky]

How about jerseys that come in different "bust cuts" (for lack of a better term)? I need a small to properly fit my shoulders, but a medium to fit my bust. I would love to find a cycling jersey that fits all of me, not just one part or another!

I like half gripper elastic in the hem, like some of my Pearl Izumi jerseys have. For me, full elastic rides up all the time, and no elastic rides up and twists when the pockets are full.

[shootingstar]

cycling dress/ long jersey style with pockets... the Terry dress has no pockets.

summer long sleeve jerseys, for sun protection in pretty prints.

relaxed fit without elastic in the sleeves and bottom hem

+1 More selection styles in cycling dress with skort piece or shorts underneath. And style selection that includes short-sleeves, not just sleeveless. Being in the Northwest Pacific Coast, it never gets so hot in summer that sleeveless dresses is critical compared to other regions in Canada/U.S.

I need the pocket (with a zipper) to put in my key & security card s since I cycle down into underground parking garages where bikes are locked up.

I actually have never understood the main reason to have fitted elastic at bottom hem on cycling jersey. To prevent blowing around in wind/improve aerodynamic properties?? :confused: Usually alot of cycling shorts/long tights aren't too low rise for draftiness. The elasticized cycling jersey hem flatters VERY few people. Instead it emphasizes tummies on men and women.

I also agree to Eden's cycling shorts with no need to show belly button /or have low-rise shorts. And this is coming from myself, who is already slim so it's not about how I look to "cover up" my tummy.

Unlike some, I wear my cycling jerseys (long & short-sleeved) abit looser, not entirely fitted. I like cycling jerseys with A-line side cut for abit of shape at least. The reason why I don't like them tight against me (even though I'm 97 lbs.):

a) In case I wear a bra that's too thin, my boob headlights won't show too much in coolness.

b) After eating a nice meal after getting to place by bike, my stomach expands. :p

c) I feel WAY HOTTER in tight tops in summer heat especially temp. over 80 degrees F. For 85-90 F, just forget it. I hate tight tops when cycling / hiking/walking around in high temp.

d) I don't wear sleeveless tops when I cycle...I'm out in the sun for hours during cycling season. I never have. I would like to protect my skin on upper abdomen. I already had a false skin melanoma scare related to my face.

Yes, I am not typical, especially on d) but now into my 18th yr. of regular cycling I am SO GLAD I don't wear sleeveless cycling wear. Now I see women my age, the skin around their upper body, affected greatly by sun....

[Eden]

I actually have never understood the main reason to have fitted elastic at bottom hem on cycling jersey. To prevent blowing around in wind/improve aerodynamic properties?? :confused: Usually alot of cycling shorts/long tights aren't too low rise for draftiness. The elasticized cycling jersey hem flatters VERY few people. Instead it emphasizes tummies on men and women.


Maybe it is because of my body shape (short torso, narrow waist), but I don't understand why you wouldn't want elastic..... I *hate* a flappy jersey. I want it to be close cut and to stay put - so gripper elastic please!

[shootingstar]

Maybe it is because of my body shape (short torso, narrow waist), but I don't understand why you wouldn't want elastic..... I *hate* a flappy jersey. I want it to be close cut and to stay put - so gripper elastic please!

http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showthread.php?t=31364&highlight=skort This jersey fit on me in photo, is approximately how I prefer fit of a jersey. A bit looser. It has a bottom elastic hem which I actually don't care for.

I'm probably not typical --many women of my weight /bone frame, enjoy wearing tight upper body clothing fit for exercise/fitness purposes. I don't. I end up thinking too much about how I look/feel self-conscious instead of focusing /enjoying the bike ride/yoga etc. :o That is the last thing I want to do while engaging in some sort of exercise.

[MommyBird]

I don't have much to add on clothing choices. I am a former injured runner who recently took up cycling. Needless to say, I am still trying to figure out cycling clothing.

But I live in GA and I am so bummed that I can't go to the Twilight Crit. in Athens. I haven't been for years and now that I am cycling again I really want to go.
Well, I have a good conflict. I will be watching my boys at the Dogwood Regatta in Oak Ridge, TN. My DH and I will be on our Mt bikes following the races on the bike path.

Hope you get a lot of good tips. I'll be reading and learning along the way.

[Eden]

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I'm probably not typical --many women of my weight /bone frame, enjoy wearing tight upper body clothing fit for exercise/fitness purposes. I don't. I end up thinking too much about how I look/feel self-conscious instead of focusing /enjoying the bike ride/yoga etc. :o That is the last thing I want to do while engaging in some sort of exercise.

I don't like a close fit jersey because I'm vain..... I don't like the feel of the material flapping all around.... remember too that I'm not a casual rider, I race and ride hard. I'm looking for clothing that does its job and stays put without bunching or binding anywhere. Some of the best feeling clothing is certainly not the most flattering..... Skin suits for TT's feel terrific - not particularly flattering even if you do have a decent body...

[Biciclista]

yes, pockets in shorts, skorts, knickers...

If i decide i want to go for a ride (go to the store for example) if i wear bike shorts, it means i need a bike jersey too or I have no pockets.
Come on, just little pockets even?

I'd love to see knickers more designed like old fashioned men's knickers but still with the chamois in them (for under $150.!!)

[Eden]

If i decide i want to go for a ride (go to the store for example) if i wear bike shorts, it means i need a bike jersey too or I have no pockets.
Come on, just little pockets even?

I prefer chamoisless tights (I like to wear tights over shorts rather than dedicated tights), so I usually buy tights made for other sports. I have a really nice pair of Pear Izumi running tights that have a little zippered pocket right about at the tailbone. I've never put anything in it (its big enough to carry some cash, maybe a small phone), but I could and it wouldn't get in the way cycling at all.

[Biciclista]

i don't wear tights when it's warmer, so i'm still stuck with the same problem.

[Eden]

Ah, but if the intrepid designer is listening, that type of pocket might be practical (unlike one at the front or on the leg) and handy. A patch pocket on the front might work on knickers, but seems uncomfortable sounding for shorts.

[kamkam]

From the people I have talked to it seems like there are two different groups. One group likes pink/purple, and floral cycling clothes, and the other prefers a more streamlined look with color blocks/solids.
However, both groups want clothing that is formed specifically for a woman's body! (which should not be too much to ask for!)
Do you think this is accurate?

What about skorts? Are they very popular? And for what sorts of rides?

[moderncyclista]

Pockets. Deep pockets. Jerseys not too tight. I prefer color blocks, solids. I don't ride in skorts. But shants, capris, or what ever you call-em. Hells yes. Try and make stuff that fits "real" women. Sometimes clothing manufacturers cater to such a small segment of the population. Pffft. Sorry. Off my soap-box for now.

[shootingstar]

From the people I have talked to it seems like there are two different groups. One group likes pink/purple, and floral cycling clothes, and the other prefers a more streamlined look with color blocks/solids.
However, both groups want clothing that is formed specifically for a woman's body! (which should not be too much to ask for!)
Do you think this is accurate?

What about skorts? Are they very popular? And for what sorts of rides?

I await to hear more about these 2 "camps" of skort women. I'm a more plain, solid dark colour skort and light coloured/high visibility jersey. In jersey, I like a 2-3 solid colour block jersey, if more than 1 colour.

I don't even wear padded skorts.. but go cycling occasionally up to 40 kms.

But then I don't wear cycling tights nor shorts that have a chamois. And yes, I go cycling up to 100 kms. in a day ..done loaded touring rides, etc. yea, I'm wierd. :o Atypical.

As for my need for decent, thoughtfully designed cycling clothing for women: I'm not a racer, never will be. I don't compete. But damn it all! .....I haven't had a car for last 25 years of life. Please live my life for once, car-free and cycling regularily for many years. :D There is a real rigour, 'toughness' to this lifestyle.

That's why I don't cycle in street clothing! Except walking shorts from time to time. My good dress suits, dress pants, casual pants even, dress tops and skirts, would be destroyed by now.

[redrhodie]

yes, pockets in shorts, skorts, knickers...

If i decide i want to go for a ride (go to the store for example) if i wear bike shorts, it means i need a bike jersey too or I have no pockets.
Come on, just little pockets even?


Ta-da! A pocket!

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodGB_TOZONB.html

[Kiwi Stoker]

A way to make a leg gripper that doesn't squeeze your leg into a sausage (ladies suck-it-in underwear can do this, why not shorts?)

A cycle tank top that doesn't have a Y-back so you don't have to show off your normal strapped sports bra and has back pockets.

[Crankin]

Well, like Eden, I love form fitting jerseys, or at least ones that are not loose and flapping. And I am not a racer, just feel that it's more flattering. But, I abhor the elastic on the bottom. Really. It just makes the jersey ride up my back and stomach. I would have to buy a jersey a size too big to get the elastic to stay down. I weigh l07 and my hips are not huge, either, just bigger than my waist.
I think elastic only works if you have a rather narrow/angular build all the way down.
I like low rise cycling shorts, too. Stuff around my waist just annoys me. But the style has to be higher up in the back, so no crack shows.
I wear all kinds of jerseys: short sleeved, sleeveless, long sleeved, and tanks. Most of the tanks I wear have a shelf bra, which is fine for a small busted person like me, but I would really like it if some of those shelf bras came with some padding, because when you sweat, everything shows through. I don't need the support, but I really like those "Handful" bras I bought here on TE, that have removable pads.
I have a pair of tights that are chamois-less and wear them over my shorts in cold weather. I bought a pair of tights w/ a chamois from someone here on TE; I hate them!
I would like to see more lightweight, thermal/wind proof, full zip "team kit" looking jerseys for regular people to wear in the colder weather. There are very few options here for women. My DH has several and can wear these with a base layer, when I have to wear a jacket, etc.

[Selkie]

Gore makes (or made) shorts with a small pocket on the thigh -- TE might still sell them. I prefer cycling shorts w/out the pocket, though, because jersey pockets are sufficient to hold my cell phone, pepper spray, house key, etc.

Bib shorts, please, made of supportive, quality fabric.

Jerseys---no elastic anywhere. I prefer club (looser but not baggy) cut over race cut.

Quality is my main thing when it comes to clothing. For cycling clothes, Exte Ondo is a good example of a manufacturer that makes high-quality stuff, from the design to the fabric to the workmanship. My beef w/EO, however, is that it uses elastic in jerseys. I'll buy only their winter jerseys for that reason---the elastic in the winter line is limited to the waist and is loose, not slide-up binding.

Also, please no vanity sizing. It's getting more and more difficult for petite women to find clothes that fit --- what used to be a size small is now an x-small or xx-small (by petite I don't mean height, although I'm sure ladies 5'3" and under have difficulties finding tights that aren't too long).

[MommyBird]

My issue with the skorts that I have seen is that the "short" portion is extremely short. It seems to defeat the purpose somewhat. Your bum is covered but the short hits at the worst part of the leg and the sausage and cellulite exposure tends to be enhanced instead of hidden.
I was thinking about a pair for casual/sightseeing rides but after seeing multiple women in them at the rides lately, I have pretty much written them off.

I guess I would request some longer skorts with 5-8" legs. The skirt could still be short though. Sort of that 80s look.

[jp4995]

I would like to see more fit choices as well. I'm a small on top (shoulders/bust/small waist), but more of a medium/large towards the bottom (larger hips). I have had difficulty with fitted jerseys that seem to be made for a stick figure instead of a curvy woman's figure. My body doesn't go straight from my ribs to my knees!

I'd also like to see more color options offered. My bike is red (more of an orange/red than fire-engine red), white and silver and most of the color options offered in women's jerseys would clash hard with my bike colors. I'd also like to see the neon yellow color offered in more jersey types and styles.

[Crankin]

+1 to what Mickchick said about the sizing. I am short and petite. But I am not anorexic skinny, either. There are some brands of jerseys I can never wear because they are long. I would like to be able to buy a pair of knickers that are knickers, not long tights! There is no way I am an xxsmall petite, although that is the size I seem to be wearing in street clothes, especially tops.

[shootingstar]

I would have to buy a jersey a size too big to get the elastic to stay down. I weigh l07 and my hips are not huge, either, just bigger than my waist.
I think elastic only works if you have a rather narrow/angular build all the way down

I have a narrow upper body profile and it still doesn't look good to have elastic at jersey hem. The photo link I gave earlier in this thread is an example of a Canari jersey with elastic at bottom. And jersey is not flapping loose but not tight across my whole upper body which I would dislike.

I'm just giving an example myself as a slim woman who doesn't need to have tighter tops. But one who genuinely rides alot everywhere and does ride for fitness also. (Sorry, Eden to sound so annoyed earlier.)

And no elastics around short sleeve arm hems. And I have thin arms. They ride up my arms and seam starts chafing.

Perhaps the lack of pockets for women's cycling clothing might be subconsciously related to real off-bike street/dressier fashion, where many styles don't have pockets, because it might considered less aesthetic. :confused:

What we're asking is that on the bike, a bit more functionality for clothing is required to make the clothes work when we're on bike /using our bike around the city.

[skhill]

I just want a jersey that actually fits properly. I have big shoulders but I'm small at the waist and hips; and so my choices are to go up to a medium (or even large) to fit my shoulders, and then have it be huge everywhere else, or go for a small and not be able to move my arms...

I don't expect street clothes to fit my athletic frame well, but why ever shouldn't athletic gear be out there for women who have a muscular, athletic build? (grumble grumble...)

[OakLeaf]

Less chamois! I know there are some manufacturers that still use thinner, narrower chamois on some of their shorts, but they're getting harder and harder to find at LBS. Too-thick chamois are incredibly uncomfortable over long rides, and too-wide chamois are uncomfortable at any distance... tri shorts usually have a chamois that is comfortable for road riding, but the legs are way too short to be comfortable on bike-only days. Also, chamois size better matched to the size of the shorts.

[gnat23]

This is always one of those threads that will conflict itself dozens of times. I feel bad for manufacturers of womens cycling clothing, nobody can agree. I posted this recently on a friend's blog, and I still think it's good stuff:

Realization #1: Mountain Bikers have a much easier time with fashion. MTB jerseys can have modern necklines, 3/4 sleeves, princess seams. The have shorts in plaid, with pockets, embroidery, hip-camouflaging constructions, various inseam lengths. They have *riding skirts*, heck I even own a mountain biking *dress*. I remember the woman leading my MTB tour who wore western style button-up blouses with baggy shorts, or a leopard print jersey with a swirly thigh-length skirt over her spandex; she totally changed my mind about what I could wear on the MTB.

Realization #2: women like to transition seamlessly between active lifestyles. We like prAna and Lululemon and TitleNine and travel dresses at REI. Sexy and sleek by exposing just the right amount of skin and no more. We can choose what skims and what ruffles, what lines to create, because we’ve watched too much “What Not To Wear” or whatever. Going to the gym no longer means boxy heather grey T-shirts and black leggings; we have *options*.

Road cycling? We have a cookie-cutter. Your spandex will be this length, this shape, have these pockets here; the only major creativity seems to have been in what goes on that template. Only recently has more attention has come to functional details like where elastic goes and how tight it is, or where boobs go on a pair of bibshorts, etc.

Which leads me to Rapha again: ok, we get better fabrics, we get some curves thrown in, but I don’t think this will revolutionize women’s road cycling apparel. In addition, I appreciate what companies like Sheila Moon and B. Spoke Tailor have done, but their on-and-off bike stuff seems trapped by a nod to retro tweed-style rides.

I think the solution is FIRST in function: non-tangling, midriff covering, circulation promoting, and maybe a little warmer in the toes while we’re at it.

Then, we need to think outside the S/M/L box. Maybe by cup size? Thigh circumference ranges? Long/short options on torsos and legs? Make things with more adjustability, maybe, with strategic velcro and elastic drawstrings?

Finally, get some real freakin’ fashion involved. Some women wear cashmere twinsets, some wear fishnet shirts, ain’t NO WAY a few patterns are going to appeal to everyone. Lets look at slight cowl necks or longer tux-coat inspired backs. Let’s ruche, gather, drape on occasion. Let’s be inspired by wool and argyle and Betsey Johnson skulls and Chanel jackets. Let’s watch powerful women in the Olympics, from snowboarders to figure skaters, let’s watch episodes of Wonder Woman, let’s idolize librarians and pinups. Let’s be able to ride a century while looking comfortable enough for the bistro afterward. There must be more to life than race or club cut, butterflies or solids, form or function, you know?

Also, I want legwarmers that look like fishnets. But I'm probably the only one.

-- gnat! (Zhush! Needs more Zhush!)

[shootingstar]

It's a great summary, gnat on different cycling clothing style needs for different types/genres of cycling.

As for your last paragraph on more 'fashion', it made me laugh "let's idolize the librarians and pinups". No the real hidden trend, is combining the 2, geeky is sexy.

[zoom-zoom]

Ta-da! A pocket!

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodGB_TOZONB.html

Also these:
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodPI_0469.html
And TE doesn't carry them, but the PI Cut Symphony short also has a nice little pocket...above the right butt cheek, I think. Just the right size for keys and a gel or a few bucks. I love those shorts.

[mariposa]

1. More zipped pockets. (Everywhere - jerseys, vests, jackets, knickers, shorts)
2. More neon/high-viz stuff (tops, jackets, helmet covers, gloves, etc.)
3. More summerweight wool jerseys, made for a women's figure, that are also affordable. (Smartwool has made some attempts in that direction.)

I guess Shebeest is my fav cycling-specific company. They make stuff that fits a women's body well. And they offer a lot of choice - lots of color/pattern choices; different lengths of cycling pants; etc.

A lot of the other cycling co's (like Pearl Izumi) don't really seem to make stuff that fits women. It's made for men and then they slap a women's label on it.

And some of the women-specific companies are just too pink or too flowery for me. Sheila Moon comes to mind.

Shebeest stuff is PRACTICAL.

[lo123]

#1 - fit. I have an hourglass shape, and finding jerseys to fit is a real nightmare. To get them to fit my bust and hips, I have to order a size up usually. Then it's all flapping around my waist. A 'curvy' line would be nice. I have a Cannondale jersey I got off nashbar for cheap that I LOVE. it's a smooth, silky fabric (I'm a tactile person and love anything soft and smooth--no texture please) and it fits almost perfectly.


Jerseys must have easily accessed pockets - at least 2 preferably 3
++ I can take or leave zippered pockets.


Also, I want legwarmers that look like fishnets. But I'm probably the only one.
I would totally rock that look! Want!


Elastic on arm bands drives me batty. My arms are much bigger proportionally to the rest of me. I've got one that feels like it's cutting off my circulation! If you must have elastic arm bands, why not make it adjustable?

[ny biker]

#1 - fit. I have an hourglass shape, and finding jerseys to fit is a real nightmare. To get them to fit my bust and hips, I have to order a size up usually. Then it's all flapping around my waist. A 'curvy' line would be nice.

And on me, an hourglass shape looks ridiculous. I have broad shoulders and a flat chest. Last year I bought a Shebeest jersey that fits except the boob area is too big. It screams "I am too flat to fill this out."

Honestly I think every body is so different it would be impossible to make enough different cuts to fit everyone.

Personally I am most interested in being comfortable. That Shebeest jersey is made from good technical fabric and is practical so I overlook the fact that is does not fit perfectly.

I want to be comfortable on long rides on hot, humid days. I need at least one pocket in back of my jersey.

I want Shebeest to go back to making their old century chamois.

I want orange socks.

[katherine]

Realization #1: Mountain Bikers have a much easier time with fashion. MTB jerseys can have modern necklines, 3/4 sleeves, princess seams. The have shorts in plaid, with pockets, embroidery, hip-camouflaging constructions, various inseam lengths. They have *riding skirts*, heck I even own a mountain biking *dress*. I remember the woman leading my MTB tour who wore western style button-up blouses with baggy shorts, or a leopard print jersey with a swirly thigh-length skirt over her spandex; she totally changed my mind about what I could wear on the MTB.

Realization #2: women like to transition seamlessly between active lifestyles. We like prAna and Lululemon and TitleNine and travel dresses at REI. Sexy and sleek by exposing just the right amount of skin and no more. We can choose what skims and what ruffles, what lines to create, because we’ve watched too much “What Not To Wear” or whatever. Going to the gym no longer means boxy heather grey T-shirts and black leggings; we have *options*.

On mtn bikes and skorts:
I mtn bike in a purple skort from terry and love it.
But the problem with mtn bike shorts is very often, in my experience, that they are cut for a more boyish frame and I have hips, if the shorts fit my waist they won't go over my hips and if they fit my hips there's a huge gap at the waist. And I HATE an elastic waist, yuck.
I want as many options with my gear as I have in my regular clothing, and lots of pockets, those on baggy shorts should close with velcro.

[meemsie]

Wow...what a novel idea to find apparel that we love! I have decided it's pretty much impossible to find anything that fits my body. Which leads me down the road of "if there's nothing that fits me, maybe someone who looks like me shouldn't be doing this." Terrible stuff, that!

Anyway, if I could design cycling clothing, I would make a womens jersey that actually has space for breasts! There are thousands of great looking tops for women without them, but for those of us with big ones, there are none, and by the time the top is big enough in the chest, it's huge in the body. I like an ever-so-slightly loose top, as an elastic waist that rides up drives me nuts.

Someone mentioned shorts that don't dig in to the worst part of the thigh...YES! Spanx do just fine, so why can't cycling shorts? I also prefer a smaller chamois since some of them get so wide they do more harm than good.

As for the lady who wants leg warmers that look like fishnets, have you seen the awesome ones made by Epix Gear? www.epixgear.com. They are great! Garters and fishnets, and there is also a cute striped pair that I need for next winter, too. I love function with a sense of humor!

[NoNo]

Anyway, if I could design cycling clothing, I would make a womens jersey that actually has space for breasts! There are thousands of great looking tops for women without them, but for those of us with big ones, there are none, and by the time the top is big enough in the chest, it's huge in the body. I like an ever-so-slightly loose top, as an elastic waist that rides up drives me nuts.

Along those lines, how about assuming just because you're generally small-framed up top, it means you don't have breasts! I just bought a jersey, size small, that I could barely zip over my chest. And I'm not even that large on top. Why do I have to lose a close fit on the sides and in the waist just to accommodate my chest? Very frustrating.

It would be nice for us shorties if capris and knickers came in short lengths. I hate when a "capri" comes mid-calf or lower.

Just because I'm a girl, it doesn't need everything has to be pink or pastel. Just saying.

Plaid. I need more plaid!

[Susan Otcenas]

Plaid. I need more plaid!

Plaid!!

http://www.teamestrogen.com/search.ep?keyWords=plaid :D

[Susan Otcenas]

Someone mentioned shorts that don't dig in to the worst part of the thigh...YES! Spanx do just fine, so why can't cycling shorts? I also prefer a smaller chamois since some of them get so wide they do more harm than good.


28 different shorts, all without leg grippers. No leg grippers, no squeezy looks!

http://tinyurl.com/38b92rc

[Owlie]

I've never had a problem with leg grippers digging into my thighs. Quite the opposite, actually, while the rest of the short fits fine. :confused:

I really wish more jerseys had a zippered pocket so my ID and whatnot doesn't fly out. I only have one, my beloved Foska jersey, with the fourth zippered pocket in addition to the normal three on the back. The company says it's for beer tokens. :D

Apparently cycling gear is designed for stick people. I could stand to loose a few pounds, certainly, but jerseys generally fit fine or even loose through the waist. I have to go up a size to accomodate my boobs. And I'm a B-cup.

Collars. I like the ones like these (http://www.primalwear.com/p-1744-tango-womens-cycling-jersey.aspx). I don't like regular collars fully zipped. I feel slightly like I'm being choked.

[Zen]

A pants rise that covers my iliac crest.

[MommyBird]

A pants rise that covers my iliac crest.

Had to look that one up but I totally agree.
As a long waisted, narrowed hipped woman I have nothing to hold up the short-waisted shorts. Plus, I have a vertical c-section scar that I like to cover up. I am waiting for a two piece swimsuit with a high waist that isn't a total granny cut too.

[Susan Otcenas]

I've never had a problem with leg grippers digging into my thighs. Quite the opposite, actually, while the rest of the short fits fine. :confused:


In that case, you'll love Louis Garneau, Zoot, Tyr... Smaller than average leg hole openings. Our customer service staff is happy to make suggestions. :)

[grrrlpwr]

Is there a product that you wish existed for women who cycle?
I wish products like the Luna Pro line were more easliy available and more affordable

What specific changes could be made to existing products?
I REALLY like the gusset-less hems seen on pro wear. ie: no elastic on arm and leg hems but wide grippers.

What is your favorite brand and why?
No brand fits consistently or has the styling i desire. As a fifty-something, who still wants to look athletic. the super trim pro fit on jerseys is not flattering for 'real' women- who looks ok in these without being a super FIT tri athlete etc? I consider myself athletic am not overweight but simply not super lean, ie: slight love handles and midriff rolls- I have worn bibs (mens) which are great for trim look but expensive- I like long inseam shorts. at least 10". womens shorts tend to the shorter length which I HATE.
What is the piece of cycling clothing that makes you feel the best and why?
good fitting shorts. I'm really fond of my Scattante shorts from Performance bikes- they have the "power-band leg grippers. so great. nice length cool red, black and white panels. look pro

Any other suggestions are welcome!
colors EeeeGADS! NO more pastels and can we please lose the purple pink lavender, baby blue! stupid colors for road cycling at least here in California where the need to be visible is crucial! and I hate the floral feminine looks lovely on dresses NOT on a road bike. Just my 2 cents.

I know exactly what design and style would look great I just am not equipped as a seamstress to build an outfit. In fact does anyone know of a seamstress who could manage to sew a kit custom for me?

[Owlie]

In that case, you'll love Louis Garneau, Zoot, Tyr... Smaller than average leg hole openings. Our customer service staff is happy to make suggestions. :)

Thanks, Susan, thats' good to know. I've had good luck with the Sugoi Evolution shorts as well. I'm hoping it'll improve as I put a little more muscle bulk on my quads to make up for all the fat I've lost...:p

[Tand-Rand]

You may not be getting into chamois design but I have become very frustrated with the available options. I have a cut-out down the center of my saddle for a reason: I don't want pressure down the center of my crotch! But all the chamois for women seem to be designed so that there is a wad of padding right down the middle. This completely defeats the purpose of my cut-out. Some of the men's are minimized there but even the smallest sizes are too big for me. I've even tried modifying my chamois with scissors but that has created new problems because now they shift while I'm riding and trap sensitive tissues between the edges of the new openings and my saddle. Ouch! So if you get an opportunity to work on chamois design, take this into consideration.

BTW, if anyone knows of a chamois that meets my criterion, would you let me know? I am riding randonneurs so I spend many many hours in my saddle at once. I would love some relief. THANKS!

[kamkam]

First of all, this forum is wonderful - very insightful! Thank you!

Tand-Rand: Completely in agreement about chamois, not working on them now but that may be in the future!

After analyzing feedback from female riders, bike shop personnel, women on my weekly ride, and online forums, I have come up with the first piece of clothing/gear. It is a skirt that folds up into its own pocket (similar to those reusable grocery bags that fold up into a smaller bag) so it can be easily taken everywhere and stored in a jersey pocket. Originally it was going to be a pair of shorts with a zip-in skirt (like a zip-in hood on a jacket) but this way it can be used with all shorts if desired. It is very lightweight and compact.

The information I was able to collect was very surprising. Obviously women want to feel and look their best when cycling, and I learned that many do not feel comfortable walking around in lycra shorts when not on their bikes. This skirt is designed to be worn when going into restaurants or coffee shops and can also be used as a shield to change under after rides. The material is a lightweight water-resistant nylon. I also made versions in lycra and jersey but they were more bulky.

There is tons of potential for more fun and interesting cycling clothing for women! I love the idea of fishnet arm warmers. And better colors are also a must.

Any thoughts, comments, and recommendations would be awesome. a

More soon..

[Resi]

I am not a racer, I just like to bike fast like a racer...LOL My problem with jerseys, elastic please nooooo... it creeps up...why... because women have hips (I am skinny and still have some sort of hips). One of my fav. jersey is from Cannondale which has no elastic and fits great no flapping... that's my 2 cents

[Zen]

As for the lady who wants leg warmers that look like fishnets, have you seen the awesome ones made by Epix Gear? www.epixgear.com. They are great! Garters and fishnets, and there is also a cute striped pair that I need for next winter, too. I love function with a sense of humor!

WHOA!

I LOVE those!

[radicalrye]

I second the no elastic at the bottom statement. Twin Six has figured that out with their women's jerseys.

I have the boob issue as well. I should be wearing M/L but I'm stuck wearing XL or in a men's jersey I wear a L because of my 36c bra size. It's very aggravating shopping when something that would look cute looks trashy because you're cleavage is hanging out.

As far a cycling clothes go I just want something not super girly. I kind of can't praise Twin Six enough because they cater to that stylish, yet not uber girly clothing I like.

The chamois issue is something that cycling companies need to work on as well. There's nothing worse then going on a 50 mile ride and feeling like you're wearing a big sweaty chamois cream filled diaper. I know things seem to be progressing as more and more women are involved with the industry, but it could still use some changes.

[Becky]

BTW, if anyone knows of a chamois that meets my criterion, would you let me know? I am riding randonneurs so I spend many many hours in my saddle at once. I would love some relief. THANKS!

I've never seen a cutout chamois. I prefer a pretty minimal chamois (but not tri chamois minimal!). For me, the pink Terry FlexAir works pretty well. Thinner than many that I've tried. I've also heard that Boure uses a thinner chamois in their shorts.

[Thorn]

I've also heard that Boure uses a thinner chamois

Boure's chamois is very thin (I ride the Elite). Nothing fancy. Just a thin layer to get rid of the sweat.

I'm particularly fond of it since I have wide sit-bones. Most women's chamois fit so that my sit bones are directly over the edge seams. Ouch. I either have to ride a tri-short so that I sit outside the chamois (fine, it isn't there to cushion, it is there to absorb sweat) or find a wide chamois.

I ride Boure for the width, the high rise (yes, Zen, it covers my iliac crest and I'm very high waisted), and because they'll make me a short with a longer inseam.

Shorts solved, I still have a hard time finding great fitting jerseys. The best yet has been SmartWool's cut, at least on the long-sleeved jersey sold last winter by TE.

[Kiwi Stoker]

Just floating around the net and found this UK site

http://www.ananichoola.co.uk/index.html

I must admit their cycling jackets and capes are very hip and I love the idea of a chain wrap so you can wear your bike chain around your waist. The red garter trouser clips look stunning as well.

The really out there things is the spd high heels (wedges). Apparently they are talking to a shoe manufacturer to see if they can be made.

[TxDoc]

Some questions I am posing:
Is there a product that you wish existed for women who cycle?
Not really, we have everything we need. I guess I belong to the minority - but I believe that the whole 'women-specific design' thing is a marketing hype. Find things that fit well and who cares whether they are labelled 'men' or 'women'. So, I buy cycling clothes and never look at the tag to see who they are made for. I guess most of my cycling kits are men kits made of bibs and jersey - they fit well and are tight so the wind does not bother me either, I'd say I'm quite happy with what is already available. Maybe I'm lucky enough that I fit on standard sizes and do not need anything special... :)


What specific changes could be made to existing products?
None that I can think of - I'm happy with most kits I own.


What is your favorite brand and why?
Nalini/MOA team kits are great quality and last forever, as well as Assos - they fit great and last for years and years.


What is the piece of cycling clothing that makes you feel the best and why?
The Assos chronosuit Cs.Uno - the most comfortable and tight piece of clothing ever made.

Good luck with your project!

[zoom-zoom]

Not really, we have everything we need. I guess I belong to the minority - but I believe that the whole 'women-specific design' thing is a marketing hype.

Heh, tell that to my Ds that used to be DDDs. I wouldn't call that marketing hype, I would call that genetics--sports bras aren't hype, either. I would never pay $40+ for something no one sees if it didn't serve an important function.

I have a couple of "unisex" jerseys that I ended up with from the charity organization that my husband is involved with. They fit me horribly and have elastic at the bottom that rides up to my natural, well-defined waist. Were I built with a unisex shape these jerseys would fit me (and I do have female friends who can wear unisex/men's stuff, but they are not shaped at all like me and generally have broader shoulders, smaller boobs, and "fireplug" midsections), but I actually NEED stuff cut for a body that is very different from the body that unisex and men's stuff is cut for.

If the situation were reversed and everything were originally designed for women would men be calling it hype to have jerseys constructed with wider shoulders and larger sizes? Wouldn't they be looking for brake/shifter assemblies to fit their hands comfortably and wider handlebars? I don't think my 6'2", broad-shouldered husband would be comfortable with my 38cm handlebars. I don't think he'd be particularly fond of 6" inseam shorts, either, but I sure like them with my short legs.

[Owlie]

I need jerseys that are cut to fit boobs, and even many of the "women's" jerseys aren't cut that way. (I like my jerseys snug, but not shrink-wrap tight). I think I have ONE jersey now that actually fits in all dimensions. In fact, I have a jersey that might be considered indecent if I went outside in it. :rolleyes::D:o Unisex jerseys don't fit me: There's too much extra fabric flapping around for my liking, and the elastic starts riding up if I wear one for more than 5 miles. No one needs to see that.
BF's mom, on the other hand, can get away with wearing men's jerseys, and she wears them well. She's smaller than I am, but she's also less curvy.

[Crankin]

I couldn't wear men's stuff, either. Heck, I can't even wear size small jerseys. Most of my jerseys are Terry, because they make all of their jerseys in x-small, no elastic, and they don't puff out over my small chest. I also like Voler jerseys, too. I like my jerseys tight.
There are other jerseys that fit me, but not with the regularity that Terry and Voler do. I couldn't wear the small sized, women specific jersey from Primal that I got from the tour I went on. It was huge in the boob area. I gave it to someone who needed it instead of the M she had ordered. They are going to send me another one and I will have it altered, since I like the print, etc.

[Catrin]

I need jerseys that are cut to fit boobs, and even many of the "women's" jerseys aren't cut that way. (I like my jerseys snug, but not shrink-wrap tight). I think I have ONE jersey now that actually fits in all dimensions. In fact, I have a jersey that might be considered indecent if I went outside in it. :rolleyes::D:o Unisex jerseys don't fit me....

Owlie, it sounds like we have very similar closets! I have one jersey that I love to LOOK at, and it feels good on my skin, but it was NOT made with boobs in mind! I would be quite uncomfortable to wear it in public. I have had some luck with a Terry jersey (though not the one I wanted the most), and I have a Cannondale jersey as well that works for me, but I just cannot find another sleeveless jersey that seems to work - the opening for the arms are much too large - the better it fits my boobs the larger the opening seems to be...

[zoom-zoom]

the opening for the arms are much too large - the better it fits my boobs the larger the opening seems to be...

And when they fit my boobs they are too big everywhere else...shoulders, waist, length, armholes...

[Catrin]

My Terry jersey has some features to it that I think is better than many others that I have seen. There are two pockets in the back - but they are shifted more to the sides and are larger than the pockets in my other jerseys. It makes it easier to reach the pockets - though I am not doing that while on the bike as of yet.

This is a sleeveless jersey with the mandarin collar going on - but the material resembles a mesh down the middle of the back, under the arms and over the shoulders (both front and back). This is of the same material as the rest of the jersey and it is NOT transparent but allows great ventilation. I typically prefer a razor-back for exercise related tops, but this works for me and I thought it good to mention as nice features.

It would be nice to have one zippered pocket...

[Catrin]

Thanks Catrin, maybe I'll try Terry!

I still find the same problem, outside of this one jersey, that I have had with others - if it fits my boobs then the arm is too large... They do have a lovely jersey with dragonflies on it - I am hoping that I will be able to fit into it once I've lost a few more pounds - and that I can still find it at that time :o

When I get back in this afternoon I will see if I can find a picture of of the jersey somewhere - or just take a picture of mine so you can see it. It is a pretty pink :)