New and Full of Questions

[dinabean]

Hellooooo, TE! Glad to have found ya'll. I've spent some time reading, and you ladies are quite inspiring.

I've caught the itch to start biking (I am actually considering a tri in a few months). I made several visits to my LBS and asked around and decided to start with a hybrid. I acquired a TREK fx 7.3 off of Craig's List with all of 5 miles on it, and already oufitted with a computer, etc. :D I am 5'9" (and if it matters, 235 lbs), long legs short torso, and my bike is a 20" frame, per what the LBS recommended.

Well, I love it, but I am already confused about several issues that I am hoping you can help me with.


(1) Pedaling. Right now, I have plain pedals, no clips, no clipless system. I think upgrading to clipless pedals is my first upgrade, but for now -- where on the pedals should my feet be hitting. Ball of the feet? They seem to be hitting at the arch of my feet instead. When I shift my feet forward, my legs aren't getting very straight.

(2) Seat height. The LBS helped me adjust it, but it seems perhaps too low still? My feet barely touch the ground, but when I pedal, my legs are not getting very straight, plus the issues with my fit above.

(3) Gears. I have no idea what gears I should be using. I have been riding so far (my whole 4 miles so far :p) basically just in circles on very flat terrain. How do I know how fast I should be pedaling and what gears I should be using?

I tried to read back several pages and can't quite find the answers to these questions, so thanks in advance for your help and I apologize if these questions are lame!

[Cataboo]

Congrats for getting a new bike and your tri goals!

Alright - in regards to pedaling, you want the pedal to be on the ball of your feet.. it sounds like yours aren't... if you had a cleat, you' be putting the cleat at about the ball of your foot. There was a discussion yesterday or the day before about clipless pedals or clips or cages or power grips or bmx pedals.

It does sound like your sadle is too low - you shouldn't be able to reach the ground when you're in your seat... Basically when you're sitting in your saddle, when you extend your leg so that the pedal is at the bottom of the stroke... you basically want your leg straight with a slight bend to it. If you don't have that, your saddle's too low.

Last question... what gear should you be in? That sort of depends on your fitness. You probably already know this - but up front, the bigger the chain ring, the harder it is to pedal and the smaller ones make it easier... On a hill, you want to be on the small chain rings up front. In the back, it's opposite - the bigger the cog on the cassette, the easier it is to pedal and vice versa.

You don't have want to be pedaling slowly and pushing down hard on your pedals - that's just going to hurt your knees. You want to have a higher cadence in a gear that's comfortable for you... On a flat you probably want to be on one of the bigger chainrings up front & smaller on the back... But do what you can do for now, as you bike more and get in shape, you'll start hanging out in higher gears.

[sarahspins]

1) Ball of the feet - your legs shouldn't be straight when the pedal is at the lowest position, you want more like 30 degrees from straight (so your leg forms a 150 degree angle). Too low and you put extra stress on your muscles and joints, and I'm not sure what too high does, but it's not good either.. I don't have clipless pedals yet but that's my next move (pedals arriving this week I hope, will go shoe shopping this weekend).

2) I have a 7.2fx (mine is the smaller 17.5", but I'm shorter than you) and with the seat adjusted correctly, I can't touch the ground with my feet.. at all! I can touch with one toe while still in the saddle if I lean the bike, but usually I get up out of the saddle when I have to stop, and have one foot solidly on the ground since I find it easier to start quickly that way.

3) This is a big "it depends" :) On your strength, fitness, and just what you're biking over. I was told once upon a time to try to keep my cadence at least 60, but I find that tough sometimes.. and sometimes I average more. You don't want to be pushing too high of a gear and wearing yourself out, but too low and you'll feel like you're spinning your way to nowhere.

[OakLeaf]

The way one of our PTs described it last week, the cleat should be positioned so that the joint of your pinky toe is more or less on top of the pedal spindle.

Seat height - with a professional fitting they'll put you on a trainer and measure your knee angles and all that, but a "quick and dirty" method at home is to sit on the bike, put your feet on the pedals and extend your leg fully (knee locked); your heel should be about an inch below the pedal spindle. That'll keep your knee from locking out during ordinary pedaling. If you start having knee twinges, play with the seat height until it's comfortable (front of the knee generally means your seat's too low, back of the knee, too high - as a general rule). If your hips rock during pedaling, and you can't for the life of you smooth out your pedal stroke, try dropping the seat a couple of millimeters. Never move it more than 5 mm at a time; try it, let your legs get used to the new position, then if you want to move it more, do another step.

Cadence - it's true, depending on your gearing and strength there may be hills so steep that you can't maintain 60 rpm, but if you're not already in your bottom gear, you'll spare your knees a lot of shearing forces if you maintain at least that when you climb. On the flats, or downhill/downwind, the most efficient cadences are between 85 and 100 rpm. Your personal most efficient cadence could be anywhere in that range - but you should learn to spin smoothly at least 110 rpm even if it's inefficient for you, because it'll smooth out your pedal stroke, and it'll also allow you to find your most efficient cadence if it's lower than that but higher than what you've been pedaling.

Welcome and enjoy your new bike! :)

[skhill]

Welcom, dinabean!

Just wanted to jump in on the cadence question. I ride a 7.3fx, and I spend an awful lot of the time in the very middle of the gear range-- that's the middle ring up front, and 4 or 5 in the back. Why don't you start there, and if it feels like you're really pushing hard, if you're feeling a lot of strain in your thighs, and if you can't pedal very fast at all, shift lower until it feels easy. And if it feels really easy, shift up. Really, don't be afraid to shift and shift and shift-- the levers are right there by your hands!!

Maybe one way to put it, the right gear to be in is one where you feel some resistance when you pedal, but it doesn't feel like a strain. And that can vary from day to day, even on the same road, depending on the wind and how tired you are and so on...

Enjoy your new (to you) bike!

[sarahspins]

I spend an awful lot of the time in the very middle of the gear range-- that's the middle ring up front, and 4 or 5 in the back.

I am glad to hear I'm not alone :) I generally ride in the middle too.. I actually have to be going downhill at a good speed (25mph+) to feel comfortable in the higher gears. I average about 12-13mph on most rides though.

[Kalidurga]

Gearing on a bike can be analagous to gearing on a car, with a few minor differences. This might make more sense to folks with manual transmission, but here goes:

Easier gears are for starting out or riding through difficult terrain (uphill, through mud, gravel, etc).

Higher gears are for moving at speed, but here's where the difference comes in-- In your car, once you get into high gear you stay there, unless you reduce speed. On your bike, higher gears are used to apply more power to your pedaling, enabling you to sprint, or for pedaling super-easy terrain (like going downhill). Your middle gears are the ones you'll most likely use for maintaining a consistent and comfortable cadence/speed on neutral terrain.

I hope that makes as much sense here as it does in my head :rolleyes:

[kimikaw]

This seems like a good place for me to jump into the thread (or I guess the forum - reading you guys has been a godsend!). Also a new rider. Currently riding a 25 year old Schwinn Mesa Runner 10 speed - a somewhat upright commuter/hybrid type bike. LBS calls it one of the first "city bikes". I'm a 49year old female. 5'8" tall.

Totally hooked on cycling. Doing 16-25 mile rides three or so times a week. I'd like to go further, go faster. Most of my riding has been on the roads around my house - very rolling, hilly terrain. On these rides use most of those ten speeds, stay mostly in the upper range, but there's some hills that put me down into the low, low gears. Last Sunday I did my longest ride to date - 29 miles, solo on a trail (Glacial Drumlin in WI) with some photo stops, took me just over 2hrs to ride it. Relatively flat trail. Rode probably 2/3 of the ride in the highest gear, had a very, very short section in maybe 6th, remainder in 9th gear.

My typical average speed in this bike's 10th gear on flat ground is 14-15mph. On the areas with a slight incline in ninth gear I was more like 12-13mph. At one point I was passed by a guy on a true road bike. The competitor in me was really bugged by being passed, so I tried to keep up. He was riding in the 18mph range. I was able to stay with him, but I could see he was pedaling at a slower cadence than me, I really had to push to stay there. (Know now we were in an area of a slight decline). And there is no way I could have gone any faster. Also, on downhills, in 10th, I just spin at any speed above 22-23mph....tho' gravity alone on some of the hills around me takes me up to 26-28mph.

So my questions...

How do you judge your cadence. I see suggestions of 60rpm, 80 rpm. How do you know that is how fast you are pedaling? I'm starting to develop a feel for a consistent pedaling cadence and using my limited gear set to maintain that....but again, am I going 40rpm, 60 or 100, not a clue.

One thing I know for sure, time for a new bike. A more serious one.

Wavering back and forth on women's versus men's. LBS closest to my house really pushing me to men's bike (in their case a Trek 7.5fx). Based on looking at me and my height, but no true fitting. I suspect it is more of a what we keep in stock versus what I need. Sure, I'm on bit taller than average for a women, but I have long legs, short torso, what feels like short arms... A female riding colleague of my hubby is suggesting either Specialized Vita or Dolce (and a different LBS). Based on my reading leaning more and more to them. Planning on doing some testing this weekend.

So, any thoughts on getting a hybrid/flat bar style like the Vita vs. a more road style like the Dolce. My initial thought was to stick with the more upright hybrid shape, but now thinking as quickly as I got into this, as much as I enjoy, maybe a true road shape is where I should head - keeping my oldie but goodie upright if I need to add a basket and run to the store/farmer's market/etc.

Kim

[Kalidurga]

How do you judge your cadence. I see suggestions of 60rpm, 80 rpm. How do you know that is how fast you are pedaling? I'm starting to develop a feel for a consistent pedaling cadence and using my limited gear set to maintain that....but again, am I going 40rpm, 60 or 100, not a clue.

Get a cycling computer that attaches to your bike and includes a reading for cadence.

[kimikaw]

Get a cycling computer that attaches to your bike and includes a reading for cadence.

Well, duh, of course. My little entry level one only shows mph and distance. Guess need to upgrade that when I upgrade the bike, huh?

Funny the more I learn, the more I realize how much I need to learn

[Kalidurga]

Funny the more I learn, the more I realize how much I need to learn

I'd say that applies to pretty much all of life in general.

[sarahspins]

Wavering back and forth on women's versus men's. LBS closest to my house really pushing me to men's bike (in their case a Trek 7.5fx). Based on looking at me and my height, but no true fitting. I suspect it is more of a what we keep in stock versus what I need.

Maybe, maybe not.. I tried out both WSD models and men's models, and I ended up with a Men's 7.2fx. The geometry is really very similar in the fx line for the comparable sizes... for some bikes the only major difference between the men's and women's version is the paint.

I did change out my bars about 2 months after getting my bike (to 490mm Soma Sparrows) mainly to give me a more comfortable hand position, as well as the ability to move my hands on the bars to find a more comfortable spot/angle if I wanted to... I am really happy with the change, and it was inexpensive ($45ish, including bar tape) since I didn't need to swap out any components, just the bars.

That said, I know now that if I had just gone with a road bike when I was shopping I would have been happier - but I just wasn't sure what I wanted when I was shopping, nor was I sure about spending a lot at the time. Now I have a MUCH better idea of what I want and what I want to spend when I upgrade (will probably be a while still), and I'll definitely be keeping my 7.2fx :)

[kimikaw]

That said, I know now that if I had just gone with a road bike when I was shopping I would have been happier - but I just wasn't sure what I wanted when I was shopping, nor was I sure about spending a lot at the time. Now I have a MUCH better idea of what I want and what I want to spend when I upgrade (will probably be a while still), and I'll definitely be keeping my 7.2fx :)


I've seen similar thoughts from several people across a couple of forums. I suspect that will happen regardless of how expensive of a hybrid I buy, so seriously leaning towards Dolce as a road bike from the start.

Funny, three months ago I was thinking a $300 full upright, step through "commuter" bike. Not so much anymore. As I've ridden more and more, I've not only changed the types of bike I am considering, inched my budget up. I've learned more, have a better sense to what I need. (well, inched may be an understatement ...started at $300, went to $500 and now is in the $800-900 range). I just don't want to spend $400-500 now and by next June or July be thinking, damn, now I want a new bike.

Of course, I have hard core biker friends trying to push me even higher. I think this range should be fine for quite a while....esp. because I still will have to go down the whole gear path...shoes, tool kits, better computer, , tubes, under seat gear bag for those tubes, tools.....the list goes on and on.

[aeiea]

Funny, three months ago I was thinking a $300 full upright, step through "commuter" bike. Not so much anymore. As I've ridden more and more, I've not only changed the types of bike I am considering, inched my budget up. I've learned more, have a better sense to what I need. (well, inched may be an understatement ...started at $300, went to $500 and now is in the $800-900 range). I just don't want to spend $400-500 now and by next June or July be thinking, damn, now I want a new bike.

Of course, I have hard core biker friends trying to push me even higher. I think this range should be fine for quite a while....esp. because I still will have to go down the whole gear path...shoes, tool kits, better computer, , tubes, under seat gear bag for those tubes, tools.....the list goes on and on.

Any reason to not go road bike? :D

Yeah... I was thinking "Oh, I'll spend $600 on a new bike; it'll be awesome!" My intent was to get a hybrid touring bike. Did some research... talked to my friends (most of whom were Bianchi fanatics)... and $1800 later...

Whatever, I'm in love!!!!

But if I had more time (ok, patience), and if I were taller, I would have stalked craigslist for a good used road bike first.

Actually... nah...

[sarahspins]

I still will have to go down the whole gear path...shoes, tool kits, better computer, , tubes, under seat gear bag for those tubes, tools.....the list goes on and on.

Yes, it is a slippery slope!

The reason I say I'll be keeping my hybrid is so that DH can ride it if he wants to (with a couple of adjustments he fits my bike - he's only a tiny bit taller than me, and I have longer legs, or we probably wouldn't be able to pull that one off), plus I'd like to have it for relaxed rides with the kids.. so I don't regret the purchase :)

However, for riding on my own, or with a group, I definitely want a road bike, I'm just not sure when that will happen.

Like you though, when I got the thought in my head last may "I think I want a bike" I thought I'd spend about $250 or so.. then I decided to google bike fit and opened up a can of worms! My budget immediately doubled and I had all these visions of all the other "goodies" I would need. I've probably spent just as much on gear at this point as I did on my bike... but it's been slow, I didn't do it all at once. I started with a helmet (a Giro Skyla - $40), a decent pair of shorts, and ONE jersey. Soon after I added a saddle bag (with some tools) another pair of shorts, and two more jerseys. I bought a $15 bike computer at walmart so I could see how far/fast I was going and to keep track of the time (I don't wear a watch). Then I bought a sugoi jacket because it was on sale, even though I didn't need it (still haven't used it, but I have it, so that's one less thing to worry about as the weather gets cooler) After 5 months I'm finally moving up to clipless pedals and shoes (bought the pedals, still waiting to get shoes this weekend).

Next on my list is a better computer (I really want HR and cadence), and then maybe some knickers or pants as the weather gets cooler.

[Cataboo]

Kimikaw - it does sound like you'd be happier with a road bike, but you can get fit to a road bike so that you ride it in a more upright touring style - you don't have to be all leaned over. It also does sound like your body type would benefit from a WSD...

But go out & test ride some bikes to see what you like.

[kimikaw]

Any reason to not go road bike? :D

I'm guessing that's a rhetorical question, but yeah, the reason is I'm a little afraid of them. The skinny tires are a huge change from what I have...worried they'll be squirrley and that at 49 I'm getting too old to be that hunched over. First LBS, the one close to home that was trying to get me in the men's Trek more or less told me that. Like seeing this:


you can get fit to a road bike so that you ride it in a more upright touring style - you don't have to be all leaned over.

Also a bit of am I still too big (I'm 65lbs and a bout a year into a journey to go from sedentary, obese to fit and lose 100lbs, still have 35lbs to goal. I'm currently 185 at 5'8"). Maybe a bit of still imagining myself big, big, too big for a road bike.

But having said that, I suspect just testing one will change that. A friend suggested if I'm really worried about a 23 tire, to ask the LBS if the wheel will accomodate a 32 (or 30) and have that swapped out up front.

So....first goal find a LBS I like trust, and does real fittings. Not just have me stand over, and say, yep that's the one. (at the time I had work clothes and 2 1/2- 3" heels on). Been getting lots of good hints in the fitting thread. Really glad to have found you guys. Thanks for the answers!

[Cataboo]

If you're worried about weight - maybe consider like a steel touring/road bike... A surly pacer or one of the other surlys (crosscheck?). Something that you can put fatter tires on. And when you get more comfortable you can switch it to narrow tires if you want.

jamis aurora's another.

[OakLeaf]

Shame on that first LBS.

You weigh less than most of the men they probably fit on road bikes. And a smaller frame is automatically more rigid. You're not even close to being "too big," if there even is such a thing.

And, if you're properly fit to your bike, you won't be "hunched over." In fact, it's pretty rare for a woman to be "hunched over" on a road bike, because our upper bodies tend to be so much shorter in proportion to our lower bodies than men's. It's much more common that a woman will be excessively stretched out.

If you don't have good core strength - which is the only thing that your age might possibly have to do with anything at all - you can improve that. As we get older, everyone (male or female) loses muscle mass if we don't do strength training, and the first things to go are the abdominal wall and the glutes. So if you're not doing them already, lots of planks and bird-dogs and variations of those will help your stability - not only on the bike, but in everyday life.

Other than that, being 49 has nothin' to do with nothin'. Except if you're lucky like me, you don't have to worry about bloodstains on your shorts any more. :cool:


PS - if you want wider tires than 23s, think about 25s, or possibly 28s. 30s and 32s are (1) very, very wide and heavy and (2) almost certain not to fit on a road frame. Also, if you're thinking about putting different sized tires on, the wider one should go in the back, not the front.

[Kalidurga]

kimikaw, if you would really feel more comfortable with wider tires, you could also consider a cyclocross bike. They work perfectly well on the road, often have sturdier tubing than road bikes, and can fit tires up to 32. I've got a Specialized Tri-Cross that's been adjusted to have a touring-type fit and it makes for a very comfortable, sturdy road ride.

And Oakleaf's right. Bicycling Magazine frequently runs articles about folks weighing 300+ pounds getting into cycling. You're a feather compared to that, so definitely don't worry about your weight. I would think that the two most important things to consider are the type of riding you plan to do and whether the bike's geometry can be adjusted for your comfort.

[badgercat]

kimikaw, if you would really feel more comfortable with wider tires, you could also consider a cyclocross bike. They work perfectly well on the road, often have sturdier tubing than road bikes, and can fit tires up to 32. I've got a Specialized Tri-Cross that's been adjusted to have a touring-type fit and it makes for a very comfortable, sturdy road ride.

And Oakleaf's right. Bicycling Magazine frequently runs articles about folks weighing 300+ pounds getting into cycling. You're a feather compared to that, so definitely don't worry about your weight. I would think that the two most important things to consider are the type of riding you plan to do and whether the bike's geometry can be adjusted for your comfort.

Agreed on all of this. My boyfriend was over 300lbs when he got himself a very solid Cannondale cross bike just over a year ago. That actually came with knobby 700x35s. After a while, he switched them out to slick 700x28s (which I also did on my Trek FX).

Anyway, he looooves his cross bike (which he rides exclusively on the road). And he's lost 40lbs so far. :D

[Yelsel]

I love 'cross bikes just for the flexibility - you can run all sizes of tire, from skinny 23s to beefy 45s in some cases (Surlys -- and still have fenders!!!). The disadvantage of going with a cyclocross bike is that there no women specific models from major manufacturers -- though since people usually get a size down than they ride in road bikes, the top tube is then also shorter.

I suggest trying a Bianchi Volpe and a Surly Crosscheck, which have a relatively short and long toptube, respectively. My only bike for a long time was a Bianchi Castro Valley, a Volpe built up as a commuter bike (generator hub and fenders). True touring geometries are also great, comfortable road bikes -- usually a bit more upright position, and with a long wheelbase they are very steady on the road. All manufacturers have realized that most people are not 18 year old racers in aero positions -- they all have road bikes with more relaxed, upright, and longer wheelbase geometry: these are usually labeled something such as sport, endurance, comfort, coast-to-coast (for the Bianchi lovers).

And there are great deals on Craigslist and eBay; plus now is a great time to shop for bikes since the 2010 bikes are coming out, and the 2009 bikes are at steep discounts. I got my 2005 Bianchi Castro Valley in the summer of 2006 for $600 (vs $799 retail); 1998 Bianchi Eros off of Craigslist for $580; and 1996ish Bianchi Reparto Course Cyclocross for $610 on eBay; 2009 Novara Carema for $400 at the REI scratch and dent sale (42 cm bike returned because the person didn't like the ride -- smart woman because it has 700c wheels, so the geometry forward of the crank is actually a tad longer than my 52/53 cm unisex bikes -- but it makes a great bike for SO with his short legs and long torso, and works okay as a guest bike for smaller riders -- the headset can be raised upwards = back).

[dinabean]

Thanks to all for the help so far! Went for my first 5 mile ride yesterday, and I am itching for more!

[featuretile]

I have a Specialized Vita - my upgrade from a comfort hybrid. I still felt I was not ready to have dropped bars, and my LBS had a year old Vita Elite on sale. I really like it, but I never did try a Dolce. It's fast and light. I have added half toe clips and changed the tires from 28 to 25's. I am able to keep up on club rides now - a combination of being more fit and having a better bike. And I am older than you - 57.

[kimikaw]

You guys made me feel brave....

So took the big jump this weekend. Hubby suggested we go test some bikes, and who was I to argue?:) Ended up bringing home a Dolce Compact sport (54cm). Did swap out the tires but not that much bigger - replaced with Armadillos 25cc. Also swapped out the pedals from the toe clip ones to Shimano PD-424 which work as a platform w/ tennies and with a cleat. By the time they did all the swapping out, fitting me, re-fitting me, riding their trainer, being measured and re-measured, it was too late to really ride on Saturday.

But did get to take her out this morning. Rode nearly 27miles. What a dream. Seat is a bit thinner than I was used to, but felt fine. Did have some soreness in wrists will have to work on wrist position. What was most surprising of all was how great my back felt after. The last couple of longer rides on the old bike left my lower bike a bit sore. LBS had suggested that the more upright position may have been making my spine take more jolts. WHatever, it was fine today.

And here I was all worried about being hunched over on the road bike. Not the case, feels quite comfortable. No doubt the women's frame was the way to go.

Then today after the ride went back to the shop to learn how to do the cleats with the clipless. No real problems in the trainer. Came home, circled the driveway and fell right over. OUCH, my driveway hurts. My first skinned up knee in good knows how long. But picked myself up dusted off and rode around the neighborhood w/ my son. Kept taking left foot in and out, stopping, putting down that foot. So, how long until it is second nature?

[fatbottomedgurl]

You GO!!! Wow!
It gets easier every time, just unclip before you really need to. It does become second nature... After some really long mountain bike rides I have found myself unclipping from the brake pedal on my car. Hahah.

[uforgot]

Welcome to the "fell over first time in clipless" club. Sounds like your bike is perfect for you! Now we want pictures.

And I just have to say congrats on the weight loss! First time reading this thread and you have really turned things around. At 185 pounds, you absolutely don't have to worry about your weight on a bike any more. I think it's just a mindset that you have lived with so long.

[kimikaw]

So does anyone else personify their bikes. I've thought of this one as a her, since I first saw her. So funny. Feel like I need to name her, she just hasn't told me what that is yet.

Yesterday I was able to take an earlier train home from work then I expected. As I drove home, I realized I'd have a good 30 minutes of daylight. Was throwing off work clothes, kicking off shoes as I walked in the door, eager to get on bike clothes and shoes and out the door. :)

Did a quick 30 minute ride, several stop signs, streets to cross, stayed upright, got foot out in time just fine. Still have to think about it really hard, but not as scared.

Anyway, here's the pics. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, A Specialized Dolce Sport compact, 54cm, 700X25cc armadillo tires, shimano pd-424 pedals (swapped those two things out at shop before I took her home). They didn't have to do a lot of switching stuff around to fit her to me. Seat up, back a bit, handlebar angle changed. Was off & on a trainer (on video) getting measured and re-measured as they tinkered around for quite a bit on Saturday. But no need to switch the stem around or anything like that.

Hubby insisted on kitting her out with emergency tool kit, tire levers, spare tube, pump etc. Only weak link in that theory is me....I currently have no clue in tire changing or emergency bike repair. Currently looking for a clinic. LBS says they do them over the winter.


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Noticed today that my glutes, hamstrings seem a bit sore - hadn't felt that on the old bike in awhile (and was usually more sore in quads/adductors if I did get DOMS - delayed onset muscle soreness). Unsure if it was the slightly faster pace on Sunday's ride, the slightly different body position on this bike, the switch to clipless pedals - or probably all of the above.

And thanks for the weight loss kudos. Been well worth all the changes over the last year. Began this to keep up with my son (had him when I was nearly 40), but now this is about me. At 49 there is no doubt I am the fittest I have been in my adult life. Eat healthier, more in tune with my body. My fitness log on another forum is titled "Fit and Fabulous by Fifty", getting there, getting there!